Could someone please bring me up to date with this Adult Content thing?
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Piggie Paule
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04-22-2009 05:36
I've been reading bit here and there, but must admit I don't fully know all the details, so thought perhaps it would defiantly help me (any probably others) if someone could simply and plainly explain exactly what's going to happen and the time frame?
As far as I could gather, some time soon Adult stuff (whatever that includes) it going to be all relocated into some adult area (I assume this is in readiness for all the children also arriving on the main grid soon?)
I think I heard that it did not include naked skins (adverts/models) but what about things like pussys and cocks? (prim addons)
Also adult poseballs, adult toys etc etc.
Some shops have a selection of normal items and them perhaps an area in the same shop of some adult items. So are they going to have to move the whole shop, or open up a separate small shop for the 6 (picked a number out of the air) adult items in their store?
Topless Disco/Pole dancers?
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04-22-2009 05:52
Well.......just so happens there's a blog post on that topic today. I don't think ANYONE except the Lindens really knows exactly what's going to happen. But, the bottom line is there's going to be a region rating system put in place. If you read the blog.....it seems to suggest there's a ways to go before it all gets sorted out. They have to re-design the viewer and make a smooth transition for residents (as smooth as possible given the complexity of it, we shall see) Your best bet is to read the blog.....read the links associated with it. Anything you read here, from the residents.....is speculation, hear/say.....or stuff others got from reading the blogs and discussions on this topic so far. 
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04-22-2009 05:54
They don't even know yet. All they have been releasing are geralities, vagaries, and doubletalk. As usual. This is the Official Thread on the subject: /352/11/314444/1.htmlBlondin Linden drew the short straw and has the honor of playing Baghdad Bob. The thread is a mess now, but you could just search Blondin's posts to get his answers, i guess. I think Argent is putting them into a Wiki somewhere. Or maybe you can hit up Lord Sullivan. He's been to a brown bag meeting as well as Marianne, and he has been collating info as well. But in general, they are putting their hands over their ears and stomping through a minefield. The Lindens, I mean. Not Lord or Marianne. Lord might, he seems like a wild and crazy guy, but a minefield is no place for a child.
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04-22-2009 05:59
This blog post might be worth reading: https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2009/04/21/update--upcoming-changes-for-adult-contentThe FAQ linked to in that post says: From: someone Adult-oriented content controls FAQ
Why is Linden Lab choosing to do this now? While Second Life® (as opposed to Teen Second Life) is fundamentally directed to an "over-18" audience, some content is clearly more conventionally "adult" than other content.
As our community continues to grow and the range of uses for Second Life continues to expand, we're committed to preserving the openness that is a cornerstone of the experience. At the same time, we need to ensure that all Residents can engage in our virtual world in a manner suitable to their needs.
To this end, we will begin to implement certain access controls designed to better serve certain constituencies -- specifically, educators and professionals, as well as the creators and users of adult content. Our goal is to make Second Life more enjoyable for all Residents by giving them greater control over their inworld experiences.
Our community is growing, and the range of uses for Second Life is continually expanding. Numerous Residents, f r o m adult content vendors to educators, have requested additional controls to provide a more predictable Second Life experience. What are the short- and long-term plans? The short-term plan for this project is to separate (geographically, and in search) content designated Adult f r o m other kinds of content on the mainland, as well as filter adult search results and require that Regions be designated according to their content and activities; this way, we can provide an additional layer of assurance for our Residents that adult content will be for adults only.
The first step is discussing the components, processes, and effects of this initiative further with the Residents of Second Life. After about a month of discussion, we'll be ready to lay out the specifics of the plan and begin moving ahead with this initiative.
Ultimately, the long-term plan is to create the infrastructure necessary to support and enable the widest range of use cases for Second Life. Is this something that Second Life users have asked for? Yes. Numerous Residents, ranging f r o m adult-content vendors to educators, have requested that we provide additional tools to enable them to tailor their inworld experiences and make them more predictable. How does this move prevent minors f r o m entering Second Life or accessing content? As part of this initiative, we will require Residents who access adult content (or view Adult search results) to go through an account verification process -- either being verified through our age verification provider, or have a verified payment method. While no such system is truly infallible, we believe these steps will make our platform safer, and will give providers of adult content an additional layer of assurance that only verified adults will be able to access their content. Will this initiative affect Teen Second Life? There are no immediate plans to change Teen Second Life. Will this initiative prohibit certain kinds of content in Second Life? No. It will not affect the kinds of content that are permitted in Second Life, just how they can be accessed, and by whom. Has Linden Lab consulted third parties as part of this initiative? We've conducted extensive research on industry standards and are working with experts who have extensive experience creating content-access policies for large Internet services. Doesn't this move go against the free spirit of Second Life and the internet? No. f r o m its inception, Second Life has been an open place, where Residents are free to explore a wide diversity of creative pursuits. This openness has fostered a tremendous amount of amazing content inworld and helped make Second Life what it is today. We are committed to preserving that openness while at the same time, ensuring that Residents can engage in Second Life in the manner most suited to their needs and interests.
By enabling a Resident to exercise greater control over their experience, we believe Second Life will remain as open an environment as it ever was, albeit with the enhanced ability to tailor the experience in such a way as to allow Residents to exercise discretion with certain content when it is appropriate to do so. Is Linden Lab trying to deemphasize the community so it can focus more on the enterprise market? Not at all. There are many communities in Second Life -- f r o m educators, artists, entrepreneurs, gamers, enterprise users, and many more, including those interested in adult content -- and there's room for all of them in Second Life, just as there is on the Internet at large and in the real world.
This initiative is about enhancing Second Life for all Residents by giving them greater control over their experiences. Many may c h o o s e to keep their experience much as it is today, while others may prefer to exercise the new controls to further tailor their Second Life experience. If I have already been age verified, or have a payment method on file, will this carry over for the new initiative? Yes. Will this bring any benefits for vendors in Second Life? Vendors in Second Life already enjoy the benefits of a full-service virtual environment with a large and growing audience of consumers and a strong inworld economy. With these policy changes and search controls, they'll be able to more easily target the customers they intend to reach, and will enjoy the density of a focused market (both in search, and geographically). For adult content vendors, this initiative will also provide an additional layer of assurance that only verified adults can access their material. How will this program help attract new users? It will make Second Life more attractive to new users by making it more customizable and easier to search for relevant content, whether adult or non-adult. How will these changes affect XstreetSL? XstreetSL already separates Adult content, so we expect no changes at this time. Will landmarks u p d a t e automatically? Is that something Residents need to do manually? Landmarks can not be u p d a t ed automatically. However, for Residents who have moved f r o m the Mainland to the Adult continent during the two-week priority move, we will leave their old parcel untenanted for at least 30 days, and they may leave a landmark giver to their new location. Can Residents move between the mainland and the AO continent if they have "Adult" items in their inventories? Yes. How will having a completely new continent impact overall performance? Should Residents expect a higher crash rate while Linden Lab works to launch and support the continent? The new continent has already been created, and its existence should not impact performance. If someone clicks on a SLURL that leads to "Adult" content but they don’t have the right s e ttings, where will they go? Will people be able to teleport directly to the AO continent via a SLURL? It behaves like any other attempt to teleport to regions you can’t access: you remain in the same place and are shown a message about how to access Adult regions. If a region is flagged "Adult," but the Resident believes it to be M or PG, how do they / can they protest their rating? What's the process for doing so? Private Regions' owners will be responsible for s e tting the maturity of the Regions they own. Mainland Regions will only be s e t to Adult by Linden Lab if they are part of the Adult Continent. Renters on a Region that has been s e t to Adult will need to either contact their landlord about why the Region has been s e t that way, or will need to move to a Region matching the maturity of their content.
If a Resident feels their classified, event, or other content has been flagged as Adult incorrectly, there will be ways to request a review. Content is flagged as Adult in two ways:
1. Use of adult keywords in names and descriptions 2. Location on an Adult region
As always, Abuse Reports can be used to report content that is not appropriate for the maturity rating. In addition, we have a PJIRA issue where people may comment if they believe their content has been incorrectly rated due to adult keywords: SVC-4149
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04-22-2009 06:07
The lindens should just but the adult stuff on a grid of regional boundaries.... any naughty person who manages to get near after umpteen crashes , freezes, forced log outs etc will be too knackered or irritated to do any naughty stuff.....
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04-22-2009 06:09
From: Milla Alexandre <snip>I don't think ANYONE except the Lindens really knows exactly what's going to happen. <snip> You think THEY know what's going to happen?
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04-22-2009 06:12
From: Brenda Connolly I think Argent is putting them into a Wiki somewhere. https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Adult_Content
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04-22-2009 06:16
From: Brenda Connolly
But in general, they are putting their hands over their ears and stomping through a minefield.
The Lindens, I mean. Not Lord or Marianne. Lord might, he seems like a wild and crazy guy, but a minefield is no place for a child.
LOL that made me smile as when i went back into the Military i was in Ordnance and clearing mines i have done, long time ago now and i have been told i am a bit crazy, well i got through 2 years in the Middle east virtually unscathed 
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04-22-2009 06:52
LL is trying to attract unicorns to SL. Unicorns, however, as everyone knows are only attracted to virgins and the grid is fulla non-virgins who are scaring them away. So LL is sending most of us, the pervy sex freaks, to our own Land of Eternal Sin. The few remaining virgins will then have free reign on the mainland and attract the unicorns LL is so desperate to acquire. What will happen then? Well personally I suspect the unicorns will soon be up to things that would require them and their deflowered virgins to be sent to the Land of Eternal Sin with the rest of us leaving the mainland even more devoid of life than it already is. The End. (Yes, I probably need help. Or sleep. Likely both.) Edit: Wow, you guys are a tough crowd. 
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04-22-2009 07:03
From: SuezanneC Baskerville QFT. The KB articles linked in that updated blog post are if anything *more* restrictive than what they replace--that is, the definition of "Adult" seems to have broadened considerably. That means that many of the answers in the Forums threads are apparently "no longer operative." It makes for interesting reading, those new KB FAQs alongside the earlier Forums answers (linked to in the aforementioned Wiki page that Argent created).
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04-22-2009 07:06
From: Qie Niangao QFT. The KB articles linked in that updated blog post are if anything *more* restrictive than what they replace--that is, the definition of "Adult" seems to have broadened considerably. That means that many of the answers in the Forums threads are apparently "no longer operative."
It makes for interesting reading, those new KB FAQs alongside the earlier Forums answers (linked to in the aforementioned Wiki page that Argent created). So will we see them backtrack on Verification? Will they decide PIOF isn't enough and require everyone use the broken Aristotle Data Mining scheme.
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04-22-2009 07:12
I'm going to become a born again Christian, there's going to be more Adult Content in the bible then in SL now.
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04-22-2009 07:14
From: Dekka Raymaker I'm going to become a born again Christian, there's going to be more Adult Content in the bible then in SL now. Lot's.
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04-22-2009 07:33
From: Brenda Connolly Lot's. Yes salt for you if your bad!
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04-22-2009 07:38
WTF does this mean "The Adult guidelines, he answered, were "Not intended to cover Lady Chatterly's Lover?"
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04-22-2009 07:39
I just love Lady Chatterly's Lover.
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04-22-2009 07:41
Can we have a Jurassic Park style continent full of dinosaurs please ?
or how about a federation of planets continent for aliens, robots and time travellers ?
and Im sure some folks in these here parts ( aims for spitoon) would love a rootin' tootin' wild west continent (providing no yul brynner droids were running amok)
The point is Im all in favour of a few themed continents whose aim is to expand our enjoyment and share our interests with those of similar taste... not ghettos to seal people off....
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04-22-2009 07:43
I'm not sure why people are so for or so against this.... what does it really change? You can do all the same things you do now, but it will be in a specific area. That is my understanding of it anyway.
Now... This has some pro's. Even people who like adult content don't necesarily want to be surrounded by it all the time.... it will be nice to be able to search for shops selling say... wedding gifts... and not take a tp to a store claiming to have them, only to find it's a sex pose shop isntead. Or when you're showing SL to friends and family, to not suddenly find yourself showing them naked people having public sex. lol.
The reason I don't like this move, is that most people like adult content to various degrees... it's not all or nothing. By moving all the adult content to one area, means that you are now taking everything that is currently dispersed over all of the SL universe (metaverse? whatever) and concentrating it in one location. So people who like to have a little fun are now going to be forced to go in way over their head.... and be completely submerged in stuff that they may not be interested in. They are taking the ultimate in "gray" area and making it black and white and I think that is a huge mistake.
What other issues am I missing on this topic?
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04-22-2009 07:48
From: Maurice Mistwallow I'm not sure why people are so for or so against this.... what does it really change? You can do all the same things you do now, but it will be in a specific area. That is my understanding of it anyway.
Now... This has some pro's. Even people who like adult content don't necesarily want to be surrounded by it all the time.... it will be nice to be able to search for shops selling say... wedding gifts... and not take a tp to a store claiming to have them, only to find it's a sex pose shop isntead. Or when you're showing SL to friends and family, to not suddenly find yourself showing them naked people having public sex. lol.
The reason I don't like this move, is that most people like adult content to various degrees... it's not all or nothing. By moving all the adult content to one area, means that you are now taking everything that is currently dispersed over all of the SL universe (metaverse? whatever) and concentrating it in one location. So people who like to have a little fun are now going to be forced to go in way over their head.... and be completely submerged in stuff that they may not be interested in. They are taking the ultimate in "gray" area and making it black and white and I think that is a huge mistake.
What other issues am I missing on this topic? As long as I can still do naughties in my own home , screw on the beach or get to a decent sex room where I can flaunt my cyber sexual prowess for anyone interested  it doesnt change anything and is a lot of fuss because Lindens can't simply operate an over 18s paying customers only grid. Themed non sexual continents such as those Ive described though would enhance sl no end.....
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04-22-2009 07:55
From: Maurice Mistwallow I'm not sure why people are so for or so against this.... what does it really change? You can do all the same things you do now, but it will be in a specific area. That is my understanding of it anyway.
For one, how about forcing people who have in some cases spent years and thousands of dollars on their spaces to pack up and move, virtually overnight, with little consideration to where they will be moving to. LL says they will make "reasonable" attemots to match their previous areas, but LL's definition of "reasonable" is different from most sane people's. They are pretty much exercising emminent domain. There have always been rules and guidelines to manage content, but LL has never bothered to enforce them or see that they work. Why not create the Adult continent, see to it that new people go there, and encourage existing businesses to relocate. carrot instead of stick. On existing mainland start recalssifying. No mixed Mature/PG continents. Gradually phase it in, and help people to move to the appropriate areas. And come up with a verification system that works decently, not the Aristotle Data Mining scheme. There is nothing inherently rong with what they want to do, but the manner in which they are going about it is all wrong. And please stop with the "We are doing this because you asked for it". In general, LL needs to stop lieing to and bullshitting it's customers.
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04-22-2009 07:55
From: Brenda Connolly So will we see them backtrack on Verification? Will they decide PIOF isn't enough and require everyone use the broken Aristotle Data Mining scheme. I'm both age verified and have payment information on file. Which I mention because I was on grid-wide treasure hunt. One of the locations brought me to a sandbox right next to a neat nature area. I wandered over and tried to stop myself when I saw the red ban lines. But my ao carried me into them. Instead of bouncing off I got a pop-up telling me I needed to be age verified to enter. Which I am. So I tried again. And bounced off again (with that pop-up appearing again). So . . . age verified is still messed up, it appears.
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04-22-2009 07:59
From: Lexxi Gynoid I'm both age verified and have payment information on file. Which I mention because I was on grid-wide treasure hunt. One of the locations brought me to a sandbox right next to a neat nature area. I wandered over and tried to stop myself when I saw the red ban lines. But my ao carried me into them. Instead of bouncing off I got a pop-up telling me I needed to be age verified to enter. Which I am. So I tried again. And bounced off again (with that pop-up appearing again).
So . . . age verified is still messed up, it appears. So what actually counts as age verified... Ive paid lindens through both my credit card and my pay pal account AND I'm English by jove.... what more do they need ? Tissue samples ?
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04-22-2009 08:08
From: Maelstrom Janus So what actually counts as age verified...
Ive paid lindens through both my credit card and my pay pal account AND I'm English by jove....
what more do they need ?
Tissue samples ? I was verified through that Greek guy (who I thought was dead), and have a credit card on file. I haven't been paying close attention, but it seemed as if they were going in the direction that PIOF would be enough now. Even so, even with that old dead zombie Greek verifing my age, I was not able to get into an age verified location. "AND I'm English by jove" - ah. There is your mistake right there. You need to be Greek.
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04-22-2009 08:14
From: Lexxi Gynoid So . . . age verified is still messed up, it appears. Indeed. I did a quick search of unresolved public jiras about age verification (  ); it ain't pretty.
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