Thievery in foreign lands.
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Dana Hickman
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08-15-2007 16:56
Jesse, if it was some sort of prim duplicator that pulls down the associated textures like copybot could, watermark your stuff. Use a small uniquely indentifiable texture on one small prim in the hair link, maybe even hidden. Something like copybot would have no choice but to duplicate the hidden watermarked prim also. If it was just a prim dupe + a texture intercept, watermark your textures as well, but not in a real obvious way. I have heard you can do text watermarks on the alpha layer by using multiple alphas that cancel each other, but not sure bout that. If I was in your spot with the rental offers, and i knew my stuff was being sold in that sim, i would turn down the offer, and tell them that if they get rid of the thieves selling your stuff, you would consider it highly. Until they are gone, I don't think I would choose to increase my presence in that area. I tend to think most people go to their "home area" to open new items, to create new things, and also to test out the new "toys" they just got working.
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Lindal Kidd
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08-15-2007 17:37
From: Michael Bigwig I'm not trolling here... If warranted, I apologize with all the sincerity you deserve, Michael.  I'd have thought that a person like you, with experience in the performing arts, would know at least the basics of IP law. Which is why your statement looked like a stick poking through the cage bars to me. /me screeches and runs after her dropped banana.
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08-15-2007 17:45
From: Domaiv Decosta If it's a game then you are playing the part of a designer and shopkeeper and the people who stole your designs are playing the role of thieves. In this case anything goes. Now that's the first new twist on the IP debate I've seen in a long time, Domaiv. However, I don't agree with it. Even if we assume that we are playing a game, original content has still been created, and so IP rights exist. Moreover, unless the thieves give it back and say, "we were only playing", then an actual theft has occurred, not a pretend one. Real harm has been caused. Also, as an aside: You do not need to register your work with the Copyright Office for your copyright to exist. That's automatic, as soon as you create an original work. However, registration serves as clear proof that you are, in fact, the creator. As such, it is invaluable evidence in any dispute. Is that clear? Put another way: Your IP rights exist, independent of whether or not you formally copyrighted your work. The registration serves as proof of those rights.
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Jesseaitui Petion
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08-15-2007 18:06
From: Lindal Kidd /me screeches and runs after her dropped banana.
lol! From: someone Also, as an aside: You do not need to register your work with the Copyright Office for your copyright to exist. That's automatic, as soon as you create an original work. However, registration serves as clear proof that you are, in fact, the creator. As such, it is invaluable evidence in any dispute.
Is that clear? Put another way: Your IP rights exist, independent of whether or not you formally copyrighted your work. The registration serves as proof of those rights.
Truth.
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Johan Laurasia
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08-15-2007 18:10
From: Michael Bigwig I don't see why foreigners would be more apt to steal and resell. If it continues with your product, I advice you don't allow modify/copy... *shrugs* You can't really do anything to product thieves in SL...digital content is considered "fantasy" and doesn't fall under the real world's intellectual property laws...at least...not legally. It IS your IP...but you can't sue over it. I say you go to their shops, buy back what they stole, and re-resell it under your name..that'll show'em!!  You really shouldnt post when you dont have the slightest clue of what you're talking about.... For starters if you read the 1st post, he was saying that he's thinking foriegners were copying his stuff and selling them in non-english speaking sims that are not frequented by english speaking people (primarily Americans), hence, they'd get away with it without being caught. Secondly, setting no copy does not prevent objects from begin stolen, ever heard of copybot? Thirdly, "cant really do anything??" Oh yeah, tell that to Kevin Alderman, aka Stroker Serpentine, maker of the SexGen beds who's sucessfully subpoenaed both Paypal and Linden Lab to reveal the RL name of the guy who's selling his stolen product.
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Conan Godwin
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Tricky coves, Johnny Foreigner....tricky coves.
08-15-2007 18:30
You can't trust Johnny Foreigner. In the old days we could send in a gun boat, or give them a good bayonetting! They don't like it up 'em, Johnny Foreigner. Not one bit.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-15-2007 19:09
From: Conan Godwin You can't trust Johnny Foreigner. In the old days we could send in a gun boat, or give them a good bayonetting! They don't like it up 'em, Johnny Foreigner. Not one bit. Ahh yes the good ole days! We could even blow up the gunboat ourselves, blame it on him and start a war, with lot's of catchy slogans, and take stuff away from him.
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Conan Godwin
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08-15-2007 19:12
From: Brenda Connolly Ahh yes the good ole days! We could even blow up the gunboat ourselves, blame it on him and start a war, with lot's of catchy slogans, and take stuff away from him. YEAH!! Or the Israelis could strafe it, with our own aircraft that we gave them, in order to get us to side with them against Egypt - only we'll pretend it didn't happen and still give them new planes to attack UN observers with instead. Oh wait, that's not us that happened too. Nevermind. 
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Oryx Tempel
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08-15-2007 19:54
From: Brenda Connolly Ahh yes the good ole days! We could even blow up the gunboat ourselves, blame it on him and start a war, with lot's of catchy slogans, and take stuff away from him. "Loose lips sink ships?"
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Conan Godwin
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08-15-2007 19:59
My favourite war so far was the Opium Wars between Britain and China in the 1840s. Never has a war's primary motives (financial gain - and why not?) been so honestly and blatantly made public.
What's yours?
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Brenda Connolly
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08-15-2007 20:02
From: Conan Godwin My favourite war so far was the Opium Wars between Britain and China in the 1840s. Never has a war's primary motives (financial gain - and why not?) been so honestly and blatantly made public.
What's yours? The invasion of Grenada. I like small intimate affairs. Although the War of 1812 does have a certain charm.
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08-15-2007 20:03
Hey now, this is an interesting topic! I want to hear more about From: someone There is no copyright laws in China....
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Oryx Tempel
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08-15-2007 20:03
From: Conan Godwin My favourite war so far was the Opium Wars between Britain and China in the 1840s. Never has a war's primary motives (financial gain - and why not?) been so honestly and blatantly made public.
What's yours? The Cold War, only coz it came out with so many cool pamphlets and movies, like "How to make a fallout shelter out of your bathroom" and "Duck and Cover".
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08-15-2007 20:05
From: Oryx Tempel The Cold War, only coz it came out with so many cool pamphlets and movies, like "How to make a fallout shelter out of your bathroom" and "Duck and Cover". Oh yes. Fail Safe is a great Movie. And War Games, Matthew Broderick was so cute back then.
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Conan Godwin
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08-15-2007 20:05
From: Oryx Tempel The Cold War, only coz it came out with so many cool pamphlets and movies, like "How to make a fallout shelter out of your bathroom" and "Duck and Cover". That one was like a Jane Austen novel. Took ages to reach a point where it looked like something might actually happen, then nothing did. Imagine the embarressment of hosting a war and nobody showing up.
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Day Oh
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08-15-2007 20:26
An issue of Popular Science I received a few days ago had a cover featured article about China's bootlegging industry. Here is a blurb that comforted me a little: From: someone ...
Although there have been legal victories against cloners, most of the time they have been minor and fleeting. Last year, Sony won a lawsuit against a Guangzhou company that was copying the company's camcorder batteries. In another of the most watched cases, Prada, Chanel, Gucci, Burberry and Louis Vuitton sued Beijing's organized "Silk Market," one of the city's most well-visited locales for fake goods, and shut it down. Despite low monetary damages--$75,000 for Sony, and $12,500 in the Silk Market affair--the victories were hailed by some as part of a growing recognition in China that counterfeiting needs to be halted. The cases demonstrated the "strong resolve of the Chinese authorities in protecting intellectual property rights," says Tan Loke Khoon, head of the intellectual property practice in Hong Kong and China at the law firm Baker & McKenzie, which brought the two lawsuits.
But on my visit to Beijing, the Silk Market hadn't just reopened. It had expanded, turning itself from a seedy array of tiny stalls into a full-fledged modern shopping mall: a forbidden city of fakes. That's part of the dilemma in "fixing" the counterfeit problem, Friedmann says: "There's an impression that China is strongly controlled by the central government. The truth is that there's power everywhere. China is filled with 'little emperors' who can do whatever they want."
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Conan Godwin
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08-15-2007 20:28
From: Brenda Connolly The invasion of Grenada. I like small intimate affairs. Although the War of 1812 does have a certain charm. I like the war of 1815 better. Burning Washington DC to the ground was the high point in that one. The 95th Rifles Regiment, now merely The Rifles, still has "Washington" as one of its battle honours.
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08-15-2007 20:30
From: Conan Godwin I like the war of 1815 better. Burning Washington DC to the ground was the high point in that one. The 95th Rifles Regiment, now merely The Rifles, still has "Washington" as one of its battle honours. Would they like to give a repeat performance? Wouldn't hurt.
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Conan Godwin
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08-15-2007 20:34
From: Brenda Connolly Would they like to give a repeat performance? Wouldn't hurt. No point. Everybody knows that nobody actually lives in Washington DC. Lieutenant-Colonel Harry Smith, of 2nd Battalion the 95th Rifles, found a formal dinner laid out ready to eat in the White House when he and his men stormed it. They gave up pursuing the fleeing politicians to sit down and eat. I'd have done the same actually. Particularly pleasing was that, ostensibly, the war of 1815 was fought for a just cause - that of trying to prevent American ships taking slaves from western Africa.
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Brenda Connolly
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08-15-2007 20:47
From: Conan Godwin No point. Everybody knows that nobody actually lives in Washington DC.
Lieutenant-Colonel Harry Smith, of 2nd Battalion the 95th Rifles, found a formal dinner laid out ready to eat in the White House when he and his men stormed it. They gave up pursuing the fleeing politicians to sit down and eat.
I'd have done the same actually.
Particularly pleasing was that, ostensibly, the war of 1815 was fought for a just cause - that of trying to prevent American ships taking slaves from western Africa. Too bad it didn't work. May have prevented the War of 1861
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08-15-2007 20:54
From: Brenda Connolly Too bad it didn't work. May have prevented the War of 1861 The Crimean War? I don't follow your reasoning  It did work, mostly. American ships (officially) stopped taking slaves from Africa in 1815 as part of the Treaty of Ghent - although the activities of a few suspiscious characters may have gone unnoticed. There were, however, still millions already living there, and their children were of course born slaves aswell. African slave trading was, ofcourse, only one of many quarrels (mostly trade related) that lead to the war. See, even the damn French were civilized enough to stop taking slaves from Africa in 1805 just because we told them too - without us having to make them. What does that say about you  EDIT: Oh, and my mistake - the razing of Washington took place in 1814, not 1815. Also, we are talking about the same war. When British historians talk about the war of 1812, they mean the war against France. The war against the United States is referred to by our historians as the "American War".
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08-15-2007 21:07
From: Conan Godwin The Crimean War? I don't follow your reasoning  It did work, mostly. American ships (officially) stopped taking slaves from Africa in 1815 as part of the Treaty of Ghent - although the activities of a few suspiscious characters may have gone unnoticed. There were, however, still millions already living there, and their children were of course born slaves aswell. African slave trading was, ofcourse, only one of many quarrels (mostly trade related) that lead to the war. See, even the damn French were civilized enough to stop taking slaves from Africa in 1805 just because we told them too - without us having to make them. What does that say about you  EDIT: Oh, and my mistake - the razing of Washington took place in 1814, not 1815. Also, we are talking about the same war. When British historians talk about the war of 1812, they mean the war against France. The war against the United States is referred to by our historians as the "American War". Oh yeah. we call that one the "War that Russian Guy Wrote the Song About."
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Nina Stepford
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08-15-2007 21:12
no, that was a maiden song.
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Nina Stepford
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08-15-2007 21:12
have i mentioned dickinson is a god?
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Conan Godwin
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08-15-2007 21:21
From: Nina Stepford have i mentioned dickinson is a god? I believe you did touch on the subject briefly - in passing.
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