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FD Spark
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11-18-2008 12:10
I know it sales.
We all know that but what do you think will be real cost because of this?
Everyone promotes the good.
Sometimes we hear about the drama or it makes the news.
Why is sex only positive if it is selling something and everyone having
fun?
Everyone seems to be having it better or profiting from Sex in SL.
Of course there is some who have the unpleasant drama around it that I hear about it
in instant messages or group forum.
Everyone seems to want to promote the positive, the stuff that sells around sex but
no one wants to look at the consequences that might lead to the negative or real
emotions and problems this leads too.
Is this because it just doesn't exist to them? Is it because they are enjoying sex so much
that having casual sexual fantasy romps online is different emotional experience then it is
for someone like myself?
Isn't anyone here concerned about long term consequence of notion if sex just
something you promote, sell or do because you're bored?
Do believe avatars only exist for your sexual fantasies and nothing more?
Why is it where ever I turn when I am around others it seems like like this
is only thing that is ever promoted in SL and ever noobie is like can we
have the sex now?
I am only one who feels bothered by this?
Or am I the only one?
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11-18-2008 12:16
Well in my case i am looking for a virtual world /grid without alll the sex. and I have finally found one :) And it sure as hell isnt in SL. It is still beta but runs great and i can keep my same SL name woot!
When it really gets going thats where i will move to

The fact they have a no sex policy is what sold me their product. Im sure i am a small minority tho lol
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11-18-2008 12:19
Where is that?
Maybe I should leave SL and go there.
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11-18-2008 12:22
From: Dilbert Dilweg
Well in my case i am looking for a virtual world /grid without alll the sex. and I have finally found one :) And it sure as hell isnt in SL. It is still beta but runs great and i can keep my same SL name woot!
When it really gets going thats where i will move to

The fact they have a no sex policy is what sold me their product. Im sure i am a small minority tho lol


Which virtual world is it?
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11-18-2008 12:23
From: Bella Posaner
Which virtual world is it?


You can't be mentioning it unless you are special here or you will get suspended lol
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11-18-2008 12:24
In my opinion anyone who suffers emotional consequences as a result of virtual sex, had emotional problems to begin with
FD Spark
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11-18-2008 12:30
I don't have problem with mature subjects and jokes or even sex personally.
I just have issue with the casual, sex positive "buy sexual products and you will have fun
aspect of SL", lazy bad porn,sexual romps with strangers that have no depth, no consequences type mentality.
I don't find this fun, I find it objectionable and hurtful.
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11-18-2008 12:31
From: Bella Posaner
In my opinion anyone who suffers emotional consequences as a result of virtual sex, had emotional problems to begin with


You hit the nail on the head i think Bella. The people here that get scarred are the ones that bring their emotional problems into SL. You can create whatever avatar you want here but ultimately the RL persona with all its issues, lack of communication skills etc. is the one that controls that avatar and sits behind the keyboard :)
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11-18-2008 12:34
From: FD Spark
I don't have problem with mature subjects and jokes or even sex personally.
I just have issue with the casual, sex positive "buy sexual products and you will have fun
aspect of SL", lazy bad porn,sexual romps with strangers that have no depth, no consequences type mentality.
I don't find this fun, I find it objectionable and hurtful.


But many don't FD thats the issue and people will do it more freely here as its an avatar representing perhaps what they are not in RL, or a maybe it is representing the real them ;)
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FD Spark
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11-18-2008 12:35
From: Bella Posaner
In my opinion anyone who suffers emotional consequences as a result of virtual sex, had emotional problems to begin with

Or maybe those who don't feel anything emotionally ever are emotional vampires
with ice instead of blood?
Or only those who never had emotional problems or trauma should be able to ridicule
and prance around with prim sex organs around the grid those who do have misfortune
of having emotional difficulties?
Better yet you can be self important and ridicule those who do?
Thanks.
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11-18-2008 12:36
In 3 yrs of being here, I have never engaged in nor needed to have Virtual Sex. RL is MUCH better! ;)

Sure, I look around at the stuff thats out there, but never had an urge to need it.

When I explain SL to someone "new" I keep out the adult stuff till last... but only then if thats something they'd be interested in.
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11-18-2008 12:40
It was 5 years for me before I ever tried and what I saw, experienced was fun briefly
got old fast but recently then I stopped because it started to really, really, really bother me.
I had some really creepy, creepy experiences. I mean very creepy.
But I realize I don't really like it any reality.
I have done it, was former sex worker for years and what little interest I had
left was completely destroyed by my experiences with it but I am human.
It just seems like everyone else has someone or is promoting having someone or somebody.
Usually this wouldn't bother me but it really starting to get on my nerves.
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11-18-2008 12:44
I have no interest in casual SL sex. Before I met my partner the idea of having sex in SL was not all that appealing (mind you I did hop on a few poseballs with a friend, but that was mainly for the laughs). The heavy focus on sex at all times kinda numbs the brain really. When one no longer goes "wtf.." seeing people wandering around with piercings hanging down between their feet or tp-ing in stuck in some humping position, one's seen too much. It get's.. boring.
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11-18-2008 12:44
From: FD Spark
I don't have problem with mature subjects and jokes or even sex personally.
I just have issue with the casual, sex positive "buy sexual products and you will have fun
aspect of SL", lazy bad porn,sexual romps with strangers that have no depth, no consequences type mentality.
I don't find this fun, I find it objectionable and hurtful.


I have no issue with what others get off on, personally I have no interest in SL sex at all.

I understand that two people dating in SL get the mental stimulation from simulated virtual sex......so how does one explain the point of having a casual romp with an AV stranger, what do they do, watch the screen and get themselves off........that to me is just desperation. They'd be better off downloading porn.
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11-18-2008 12:50
From: Bella Posaner
In my opinion anyone who suffers emotional consequences as a result of virtual sex, had emotional problems to begin with


I'd agree but beyond that people who use SL are fairly emotionally "different" to begin with which isn't a problem by any means because it's the same traits that make many of the people in SL still creative but still interesting.
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FD Spark
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11-18-2008 12:50
From: Bella Posaner
I have no issue with what others get off on, personally I have no interest in SL sex at all.

I understand that two people dating in SL get the mental stimulation from simulated virtual sex......so how does one explain the point of having a casual romp with an AV stranger, what do they do, watch the screen and get themselves off........that to me is just desperation. They'd be better off downloading porn.

For me when I explored it over summer it was because I literally had no sex drive
for over 3 years and suddenly had it due to medication change, my real life circumstances
and partner was unwilling or unavailable so it was mainly act of desperation.
I could have done it with the female or male friends I love in SL, and I tried briefly but it just felt wrong and one in particular I know has no true interest in sex and I didn't
feel comfortable using her in that way because I love her as person, it just didn't feel it was
right.
Yet once the blood sort of returned to right "head" I realized it was boring and disgusting.
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11-18-2008 12:54
I realize there is a lot of press at the moment but honestly, why the sex craze now? If you want to have sex- do, if you don't want to- don't. Every body's happy. Grant you the obnoxious people putting their bits in your face unrequested is obnoxious but that's what ban and mute and all that other stuff is for.

FD, sex sells stuff- always has- from the first furs in the caves to that hot rod in the show room. As for selling and buying sex- to some it is a commodity like any other, to others it is not. Different strokes, etc.

We have read your story about escorts a while back and I really am sorry that happened to you- even never having hired one, I am sure something was lacking in that transaction- either in the services or your expectations. It does seem to me though, that should that escort thought it thru, they wd have been better served to refund a portion of your money for failing to provide the contracted service. It would be a wise choice to garner customer approval.

Edited to add- it can be boring and or disgusting I am sure- but certainly does not have to be and 99% of the time it isn't or folks wouldn't keep doing it. Personally, I am far from bored or disgusted.
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11-18-2008 12:56
From: FD Spark
Yet once the blood sort of returned to right "head" I realized it was boring and disgusting.


I don't find it disgusting, I just think it's kind of stupid and I honestly have a good laugh when I come across people at it. I showed my real life partner a couple I came across and he had tears run down his face he thought it looked so funny.....but he doesnt understand why I go on SL at all.

FD I really think the best thing for you is to just ignore it, avoid if you can (often you can't), you are never going to get rid of it, so best learn to live with it. Each to their own.
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11-18-2008 13:00
It wasn't just the escort thing it was that creepy age play guy.
There is lot to be said at times for anonymous, no holds bar, sexual romp at times
especially during very difficult times but personally I have always feel at certain
point it just becomes too creepy and less, less about two equals exchanging
a pleasurable experience but one dictating rudely how is going to go and me
bit stun and not exactly sure how to handle it.
I use to think it just was hilarious now I am starting to feel like it triggers
my ptsd every time I go to forum and or run into it in world now.
I am trying to ignore it but it is hard.
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11-18-2008 13:04
I'm sorry you have had such a bad experience in your own situation, but you don't speak for most of SL. SL isn't like RL. You can turn a computer off if things get creepy. As a result, the vast majority of those who partake in SL sex do so for their own enjoyment or to make money in ways they CAN handle. If it became a problem, they'd stop doing it.

Again, I wish you'd had a more positive experience in SL, but insisting that SL sexual freedom is harmful to everyone is demeaning to the general population who want the option of getting their pixelated freak on. Personally, I rarely have SL sex, enjoying the real estate sales and rental business, myself, but can't abide this theory that censorship of of the majority is warrented, when a handful of individuals make the choice to go too far. Freedom is never free. It's always a risk, but in the end, the benefits outweigh the cost.

From: FD Spark
It was 5 years for me before I ever tried and what I saw, experienced was fun briefly
got old fast but recently then I stopped because it started to really, really, really bother me.
I had some really creepy, creepy experiences. I mean very creepy.
But I realize I don't really like it any reality.
I have done it, was former sex worker for years and what little interest I had
left was completely destroyed by my experiences with it but I am human.
It just seems like everyone else has someone or is promoting having someone or somebody.
Usually this wouldn't bother me but it really starting to get on my nerves.
FD Spark
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11-18-2008 13:07
I don't want to dictate my views or opinions on anyone, anyone who knows me
personally knows that I would never do that or intentionally harm anyone.
What bothers me is the mentality if you're not buying into the sex in SL there
is something wrong with you or you're prude.
Or other who are suppose to be mature adults who have this childish entitlement I can do whatever, whenever and no one else has right to feel uncomfortable by it because this is adult only world.
I am all for freedom but gez can it go both ways keep it out of RA please?
I know it is too much to ask for.
I let this die and turn off my computer.
I realize others are going to do what they want but I just need say publicly this
bothers me.
I know no one cares especially if they find it fun and all but hey if you want your
freedom respected, can you show a little respect back too? Is it even possible?
I will just go bed turn off my computer and avoid the forum especially RA if
this is going on from now on.
My SL is extension of my real life there is no separation. For those who have separate
lives and realities great for them, but I can't do that.
Thanks all, bye.
For my friends you know where to find me but I am going to go now, I probably won't be posting again.
I can't change others or the world be it virtual or otherwise, I will just go focus on something else.
FD
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11-18-2008 13:34
hey!
From: FD Spark

What bothers me is the mentality if you're not buying into the sex in SL there
is something wrong with you or you're prude.

its your life, your way, rl and sl.
forget what others will think bout you, or expect what you should do, or wanna have you doing.

From: FD Spark

My SL is extension of my real life there is no separation. For those who have separate
lives and realities great for them, but I can't do that.
Thanks all, bye.
FD

some people will see sl as a game without any responsibility, ...
as for me, sl is real cos i now - on the other side is a real person with feelings and emotions.
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11-18-2008 13:37
From: Dilbert Dilweg
Well in my case i am looking for a virtual world /grid without alll the sex. and I have finally found one :) And it sure as hell isnt in SL. It is still beta but runs great and i can keep my same SL name woot!
When it really gets going thats where i will move to

The fact they have a no sex policy is what sold me their product. Im sure i am a small minority tho lol


No not a small minority I think,I would jump ship if it were at all possible.By the way you can drop us a note about the new place.I think the sex thing here is gross. I never get involved.

Increasingly I find myself getting annoyed about the almost total lack of a moral code here.You can believe me I am no puritan but some of the stuff I see and here is XXX.

On the same note I was looking for a script on Xstreet the other day and spent almost 2 hours looking through the stuff on offer.It's not only the sex it's the plethora of blatant scams and outright rip offs.I realise that this is not SL but it's no different inworld.

When this goes on in the RL they try to sort it and fail.It must be easier here everyone is tagged.When a crook is selling something that is a freebie why not a ban?if they extort then ban .I don't want police but I would like codes and rules that are implemented swiftly.

A "free for all" will never work in the long term,Never has, never will. IMHO



Oh and PS " bring back hanging" LOL
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11-18-2008 14:40
Sex sells and makes people happy, so why not?
Sex was a big drive for me when I first entered SL, now tha'ts out of the system, but I don't deny anyone else have as much fun as they want.
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11-18-2008 14:48
virtual sex......that says it all!
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