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Mickey Vandeverre
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08-04-2009 14:23
Ponsonby, we've all been suckered here. This thread was created for the sole purpose of making us fight with each other for Jig's amusement. Yep. Therapy, Baby. |
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Briana Dawson
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08-04-2009 14:35
Ponsonby, we've all been suckered here. This thread was created for the sole purpose of making us fight with each other for Jig's amusement. Ahh...See. YOU were suckered. *I* never read the OP. ![]() I guess i will now though... ![]() _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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08-04-2009 14:42
How can pretending to be a child be of any use at all to an adult? We dont encourage that behaviour in the real world because it is against our principles of being adult, of undergoing the teen growth years, of becoming men and women. Without proper supervision, surely this is to be frowned upon. What do you think? Jig. This is the kind of question that reveals that no matter how much experience you post about having, one thing you fail to understand some of the most simplistic things about humans - for everything that exists there is a person that is attracted to it in some way - and more than probably a large group of them if they got together. Of course pretending to be a child is of use to an adult. It allows them to release the tethers of their normal persona and adopt a child personality and way of reacting to their environment. I am sure that many child av's feel relaxed in SL and drama free since they don't have to deal with things the same way you or i would - they simply role play and have fun and don't worry about adult things, subjects and affairs. Why do guys feel relaxed playing women in SL? Why do women feel relaxed playing men in SL? How can loving and marrying a person on death row or in jail for life be of any use to a non incarcerated adult? How can you ask such a question when there are people in the wold that: - Eat other people - Like poop on their face - Eat puke - Love to be made to bleed - Love to be choked to near unconsciousness during sex - The list goes on... This is one of those topics where the answer to the question posed in the OP is as obvious as the night is dark. The things that attract people - and not just sexually - but mentally/psychologically are vast and ever changing and one persons plate of poop is another persons delightful easel full of finger painting fun. _____________________
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Julianne Kaestner
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08-04-2009 14:46
Ahh...See. YOU were suckered. *I* never read the OP. ![]() I guess i will now though... ![]() Thanks for making me LOL |
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Marigold Devin
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08-04-2009 16:51
For me, seeing child avatars can be a little freaky in that we are sort of trained in RL to worry about unsupervised kids. We are also trained to believe that kids should not be in certain places or doing certain things. When I see child avi's in SL, it triggers responses 'learned' in society, reactions such as 'those kids should not be there, or should be supervised.' It is true that other avatars (furries, fantasy or science fiction based avi's) also seem out of place, but they are sufficiently different that they do not generate the same responses. You are not likely to see a Dragon or Cat shopping or driving a car in RL, and in the unlikely event you do you are much more likely to think it a movie shoot/publicity stunt/someone in a really good costume. Note, that is not an arguement against child avatars, just an explaination as to why they might bother. And there is also the issue that some people simply find children annoying regardless of setting. As for the OP's question, anything can be therapy. What works, works and what doesn't doesn't, but the human mind is still a wierd and mostly uncharted thing especially if you are talking about any given mind. Anyway, that's my opinion for whatever little its worth ![]() Forgive delay in responding - been RL-ing! - but this post seems to have hit the nail right on the head for me; what we perceive in SL and how we process it by our brains is based on what our RL brains have been conditioned to believe is right, wrong, normal, etc. Because I was sure I was entering an adult virtual world, it took me a while to get used to the sight of child avatars. Strangely, the first one that spoke to me asked me "Are you going to whip me?", because I had teleported in from a club, still in dance animation and wearing dance ribbons! I immediately found myself talking to this person in a soothing tone, as if to a child, explaining that no, these were in fact dance ribbons! Another time, I teleported to my home land to find a little girl relaxing on my cat sofa. She looked so happy and contented there that I found myself shushing gently in real life as I walked my avatar out of range, so as not to startle her! I don't really go along with the point of SL being therapy, and I don't personally see how acting out being a kid is a "cathartic experience", but I do know that I can pretty much act like a kid at times, doing pretty juvenile things with my SL partner, just for the sheer fun of it. Its just I don't really need to be dressed as a child avatar to do it. I also believe that SL can be very disturbing to already mentally disturbed people, only serving to exacerbate any mental issues they might already have. I would not think it would be a good place to go just for therapy - and since when have Linden Labs had a sign on the Home Page saying "Dr Linden, Psychotherapist, come in and lie down on the couch"?? (We in the UK also think that Lindens would face a lawsuit if they did advertise as somewhere to roleplay for reasons of therapy, even it there is a Dr Linden somewhere in the house.) But this is only my belief/opinion, for what that is worth. |
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08-04-2009 18:48
...How can you ask such a question when there are people in the wold that: - Eat other people - Like poop on their face - Eat puke - Love to be made to bleed - Love to be choked to near unconsciousness during sex - The list goes on... _____________________
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Solanghe Sarlo
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08-04-2009 18:56
You forgot to mention diap...... I'm going straight to hell, ain't I? =^-^= IMMY! Please stop! Urgggh. *crawls away weakly* _____________________
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08-04-2009 19:33
You forgot to mention diap...... I'm going straight to hell, ain't I? =^-^= I think you will make some zigs and zags on the way there. Unless you put on the diaper of the damned. Then it will be a straight shot. |
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Briana Dawson
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08-04-2009 20:46
Lol!
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Malia Writer
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08-04-2009 20:55
The post of mine that you quote (#61 in this thread) was a reply to your post #56, in which you wrote: "Perhaps the real question here is, why does the idea of roleplaying a child disturb you so much?" I'm not sure what degree of self-righteousness of the "Do not falsely quote me" variety is justified as a response to the use of "disturbed" rather than "disturb", but I suspect it's a pretty low one. As for the rest, at this point I don't wish to debate any further, as I'm feeling much too thin-skinned to do so. Am heartily regretting stepping into this thread. ![]() |
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08-04-2009 22:00
You are correct, I did use that word, and didn't re-read my *own* post closely enough. For this carelessness on my part, I absolutely apologize, and will go back and edit my post to so indicate. As for the rest, at this point I don't wish to debate any further, as I'm feeling much too thin-skinned to do so. Am heartily regretting stepping into this thread. ![]() Forget it. I know I've gotten up on my hind legs on certain occasions, and then later found out my assumptions/perceptions had been mistaken, and my indignation had been out of place. We all do it. _____________________
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Ponsonby Low
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08-04-2009 22:08
I also believe that SL can be very disturbing to already mentally disturbed people, only serving to exacerbate any mental issues they might already have. I would not think it would be a good place to go just for therapy - and since when have Linden Labs had a sign on the Home Page saying "Dr Linden, Psychotherapist, come in and lie down on the couch"?? (We in the UK also think that Lindens would face a lawsuit if they did advertise as somewhere to roleplay for reasons of therapy, even it there is a Dr Linden somewhere in the house.) These are good points (and indeed I think you're right that LL wouldn't make the mistake of advertising SL as a venue for therapy). One would think that any sort of immersive environment could be fraught with dangers for fragile persons who aren't being closely supervised by a trained therapist. _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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08-04-2009 22:40
I think you will make some zigs and zags on the way there. Unless you put on the diaper of the damned. Then it will be a straight shot. _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 00:34
Ponsonby, we've all been suckered here. This thread was created for the sole purpose of making us fight with each other for Jig's amusement. Hardly. I ask a question and people get into it. YOU dont have to involve yourself in it. Anyway, I think people enjoy a debate. _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 00:51
Jig. This is the kind of question that reveals that no matter how much experience you post about having, one thing you fail to understand some of the most simplistic things about humans - for everything that exists there is a person that is attracted to it in some way - and more than probably a large group of them if they got together. Sure there is a group for everything but that doesnt mean to say we need to approve it or that it is healthy. What is wrong with saying something is unhealthy or unprincipled or sordid or ...? It takes all sorts, I know. But some of what it takes is not so much a liberal viewpoint of world but more of a perverse nature. Maybe I am too young to understand this. Maybe teen years and childhood doesnt beckon to me in the same way it does to everyone else. I prefer being over 18. I dont want to be "seen" as 6 or 7. My real friends would think I was crazy if I did that. It's just ... well, you know. I know the child avi "lobby" is a powerful one in forums and many "play" at responding to them like we think they really are 6 or 7 years old but we know they aren't. I only ever address them as adults. Someone I know wanted to "adopt" one and she turned out to be 45. A REAL 24 year old roleplaying with a "child" of 45! Suggesting it ISN'T a healthy way to inhabit sl is not failing to understand something, its saying that for most part, people don't think acting out as a 6 year old is a cool thing to do. Or am I in a minority here? _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 00:59
My goodness, what a personal attack! Oh Pons I wasnt attacking. I was making that kinda remark in a goofy voice. You are really sweet. Its a trouble with text I guess. Sorry. See, I have ha to explain myself in 3 small answers here and above. Apologs again. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-05-2009 01:23
I am enjoying this thread but not for any of the reasons you all would understand.
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 03:43
I am enjoying this thread but not for any of the reasons you all would understand. Pep (It's wonderful to see people living up to my expectations. )PS Or should that be 'down' not 'up'? ![]() That is too cryptic. _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-05-2009 03:58
That is too cryptic. Not as easy as you claimed, to pretend to be intelligent if you are stupid, eh? Pep (Lots seem to wish to try here though.) _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 04:17
Not as easy as you claimed, to pretend to be intelligent if you are stupid, eh? Pep (Lots seem to wish to try here though.) I never really claim intelligence. Really I can bring it out in other people, but with you its a dead loss. ![]() _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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08-05-2009 05:16
Sure there is a group for everything but that doesnt mean to say we need to approve it or that it is healthy. What is wrong with saying something is unhealthy or unprincipled or sordid or ...? It takes all sorts, I know. But some of what it takes is not so much a liberal viewpoint of world but more of a perverse nature. Maybe I am too young to understand this. Maybe teen years and childhood doesnt beckon to me in the same way it does to everyone else. I prefer being over 18. I dont want to be "seen" as 6 or 7. My real friends would think I was crazy if I did that. It's just ... well, you know. I know the child avi "lobby" is a powerful one in forums and many "play" at responding to them like we think they really are 6 or 7 years old but we know they aren't. I only ever address them as adults. Someone I know wanted to "adopt" one and she turned out to be 45. A REAL 24 year old roleplaying with a "child" of 45! Suggesting it ISN'T a healthy way to inhabit sl is not failing to understand something, its saying that for most part, people don't think acting out as a 6 year old is a cool thing to do. Or am I in a minority here? I admit, I have diverged from the kid community quite a while ago. Why? Because I wanted to. That's all. No deep thought into it. Little Immy still exists and I still get involved in kid and kid run events. Often, I fall back to Little Immy just to let loose and really take on the brat characterization I need once in a while. I embrace my inner brat. And, because of that, I'm able to blow off some mental steam that just might help me make it through the day when many other things just seem wrong. (^_^) There are some people who could not give a rodent's patootie if something is "cool" or not. They don't care about "cool" and they don't care about you. They're fulfilling their own desires in a virtual environment and the only thing unhealthy about it is the person on the sidelines pointing and saying "that's bad!" (^_^)y _____________________
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Jig Chippewa
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08-05-2009 05:25
To an extent I agree - actually, I didnt know you were once a child avi. I think being a brat is hard to act really. I accept I am so opinionated and pushy anyway I am brat enough at my biological age. Reviving a "Child Jig" would be akin to Frankenstein's Creature.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-05-2009 05:25
Let's summarise:
Jig: "I think you're sick." Immy: "I think you're sick." Pep: "I think both of you are sick." Pep (You're wrong Immy; anyone can think what they like; they can also believe it and say it; it's only if they do something about it that their opinion matters.) _____________________
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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08-05-2009 05:30
Let's summarise: Jig: "I think you're sick." Immy: "I think you're sick." Pep: "I think both of you are sick." Pep (You're wrong Immy; anyone can think what they like; they can also believe it and say it; it's only if they do something about it that their opinion matters.) (^_^)y _____________________
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Briana Dawson
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08-05-2009 05:31
Sure there is a group for everything but that doesnt mean to say we need to approve it or that it is healthy. What is wrong with saying something is unhealthy or unprincipled or sordid or ...? It takes all sorts, I know. But some of what it takes is not so much a liberal viewpoint of world but more of a perverse nature. Maybe I am too young to understand this. Maybe teen years and childhood doesnt beckon to me in the same way it does to everyone else. I prefer being over 18. I dont want to be "seen" as 6 or 7. My real friends would think I was crazy if I did that. It's just ... well, you know. I know the child avi "lobby" is a powerful one in forums and many "play" at responding to them like we think they really are 6 or 7 years old but we know they aren't. I only ever address them as adults. Someone I know wanted to "adopt" one and she turned out to be 45. A REAL 24 year old roleplaying with a "child" of 45! Suggesting it ISN'T a healthy way to inhabit sl is not failing to understand something, its saying that for most part, people don't think acting out as a 6 year old is a cool thing to do. Or am I in a minority here? Oh i see, you were passing judgment on the child av thing in general. Well, i do not 'get it', but i know that other people do, so *shrug*. And i do not engage in their child-role play. _____________________
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