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MortVent Charron
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06-20-2008 06:51
From: Lias Leandros
Your idea of a sound business plan and customer service is somewhat lacking.
try using ignorance of the law in federal court. ignorance is not an excuse accepted there either. Especially since there are links to the forums rules, community standards, and terms of service


From: someone

I agree that it just wandered aimlessly after the 300th post (lol). But the Lindens can find a policy, publicize it and stick to it - or I think they can. The status quo had been that the Mod that applied the lock would IDENTIFY THEMSELVES and then write something not agreed with. One could not respond (in the closed thread) but at least it was some courtesy.


For a while the status quo was everyone huddling under a tree when it rained, then man discovered caves and fire...

Things change, accept it and move one.
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06-20-2008 09:55
From: Lias Leandros
I was referring to freedom of speech. A lock with an explanation why seemsreasonable. Deleting it seems an abuse of power and sensorship. People can SEE a post for goodness sake. We don't need a corporate employee saving us from ourselves.

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Colette Meiji
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06-20-2008 11:34
I kind of think its cool that our Moderator locks multiple threads but has a Post count of like 2.

Basically we have a lurker Mod.
Macphisto Angelus
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06-20-2008 11:50
From: Colette Meiji
I kind of think its cool that our Moderator locks multiple threads but has a Post count of like 2.

Basically we have a lurker Mod.


Call me old fashioned but I prefer someone part of the community guiding it. I like my local Sheriff to live under the protection he has to provide and the quality of it. Just sayin' :D
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Chaz Longstaff
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06-20-2008 12:21
Time to lock this thread? :}
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Thread attempting to compile a list of which animations are freebies, and which are not:

http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=265609
Strife Onizuka
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06-20-2008 13:43
From: Cristalle Karami
Strife would "stealth lock" sometimes precisely so as to not give the thread any more publicity. I think we have our answer.

I might have, I sometimes do a little cleanup in the Content forums. Most often the Events forum (people always use it as a classifieds forum, so I move things into Special Attractions). I sometimes dabble in the Games forum but the lines a bit more blurred for that forum.

I remember seeing the "Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?" thread but I don't remember locking it. I and the other mods occasionally get PMs from people pleading for thread locks. I know I got a PM for that thread but I am pretty sure by the time I saw the PM the thread was already locked.

The thread in question got pretty vitriolic near the end (you know there is seriously wrong when people start quoting dictionaries). If a thread slipped from sight, a mod might not want to post a reason as to not bump it back into sight. We have in the past run a necro locking program for the worst threads. Some threads should never be resurrected.

I am in retirement at present, I no longer take responsibility for cleaning up the place and keeping people in check. The forum guidelines go mostly disregarded. It is obvious that the before mentioned thread was locked for Trolling, Flaming and Private Discussion.

(Referencing closed threads falls under "Reposting" btw)
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06-20-2008 13:49
Thank you, Strife.
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Macphisto Angelus
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06-20-2008 13:54
From: Strife Onizuka


(Referencing closed threads falls under "Reposting" btw)


OK, I realize you are retired so don't answer this if you don't wanna. :)

I linked to older locked threads in here a few times. By reading the reposting guidelines, I don't see where a reference is wrong.

From: someone
Reposting – If a moderator removes your post, do not repost it elsewhere. Do not repost threads that have been locked or deleted and do not repost content that has been edited or deleted by a moderator. Furthermore, please do not post a "why did my post get removed" post.


Just referencing a locked thread does not seem to be wrong. Just if I had culled content and copy/pasted it, Copy/pasted the OP and started again (or started another thread saying the same thing) or if I had started a new thread saying why was it locked.

So was I in the wrong for posting the links or talking about them?

There are lots of assumptions around here and I honestly want to know what is the right way because I would not want a warning or ban. :)

This is not to debate ya, Strife. I just really want to know how it fits in the guidelines.
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Strife Onizuka
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06-20-2008 14:59
The interpretation of the Reposting guideline changed mostly because of the Eep fiasco several years earlier (incidentally that was one of the big reasons why no-payment-info accounts lost the ability to post on the forums). It really comes from two sections of the guidelines, "Reposting" and "Recourse". The new interpretation came about as a way of combating trolling where someone would reference a thread with just the right type of lead-in and spin to reignite the issue. Trolling can be very subtle, it takes a lot of time and effort to spot, dissect and figure out who is really responsible. A troll doesn't need to do the work themselves, they can manipulate people, mostly be driving them crazy and when you have a team of trolls they can work together to prod the punters into fighting each other. It's a lot like a commercial dog fight, it's nasty, it's a really sick thing for people to do to each other.

We looked at the valid applications of closed-thread-linking and there just weren't enough of them. It was easier to outlaw it and then on a case by case basis allow it by stating so in the closure message.

*sigh*
You are unlikely to get a warning, suspension or ban. The gods don't seem to care much anymore. It's like speeding, as long as you don't go faster then the pack, the cops are unlikely to pull you over.

If things get really bad and people prod me enough I may come out of retirement. It would be a very rude awakening for many; they would find themselves being required to think before they post or face the wroth of an avenging mod. *sigh* but that is why I retired, I couldn't care anymore. It was too much work to care.
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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Macphisto Angelus
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06-20-2008 18:25
Ok, thanks Strife. I hope it never gets like it used to be before they closed down the General areas. RA is a pretty good and mostly mellow mix of fun and information/help. Trolls are few and are mostly ignored. The NPIOF change has already spawned some alt usage to break some rules so I hope that doesn't keep up much.

Enjoy your retirement. It is nice to see you able to post around here and have some fun yourself. Lord knows you were the only one doing the job for quite a long time.

Thanks again for responding.
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Lias Leandros
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06-21-2008 04:19
From: Strife Onizuka
I remember seeing the "Mainland Sim Full: Who Is To Blame?" thread but I don't remember locking it. I and the other mods occasionally get PMs from people pleading for thread locks. I know I got a PM for that thread but I am pretty sure by the time I saw the PM the thread was already locked.

The thread in question got pretty vitriolic near the end (you know there is seriously wrong when people start quoting dictionaries). If a thread slipped from sight, a mod might not want to post a reason as to not bump it back into sight. We have in the past run a necro locking program for the worst threads. Some threads should never be resurrected.
Thank you for communicating.

Now everyone can go back to their SL5B hysteria.
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06-21-2008 06:03
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06-21-2008 07:37
From: Brenda Connolly
One person's hysteria is another person's crusade.
I'm glad you now recognize that.
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06-21-2008 08:53
From: Lias Leandros
I'm glad you now recognize that.

It was never in doubt.
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06-21-2008 09:36
From: Lias Leandros
I'm glad you now recognize that.


People usually recognize hysteria and other things as causes for crusades.

SL5B's issues with kids is the result of hysteria over a type of avatar, and people raised up arms to point it out.
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