Why We Hate Adfarms--A Gallery

I've had some success in getting laggy particle systems removed via the support ticket system. If it is hurting the sim's performance the inworld team is quite ruthless (no pun intended)

They simply don't have the manpower. They are employing residents to spruce up the mainland because they don't have the staff to do it themselves.

The judgement thing will open them up to all kinds of uproar. Say I built an ugly spinning "sculpture" on a 16m plot and also set the land at a high price, just because I'd be open to selling it but in no hurry. If they took action, I would be pissed, and have a decent case against them.

I believe the solution will have to be object muting: It gives people the freedom to build whatever they want, and their neighbors the freedom to make it disappear.

Well, they would, if they don't pussyfoot around about how they enforce. A few canceled adfarmer accounts, with assets reverted to LL, would go a long way toward discouraging this. And it wouldn't be that hard to write public policy guidelines that would identify most current adfarmers. After that, yeah, it's a judgment call about which of the guideline loopholes any remaining adfarmers try to exploit, but keep canceling accounts and seizing assets till they get the message and they *will* get the message.

(All that said, at the moment anyway, I'd still favor the parcel-to-parcel muting thing. Especially if LL mutes all parcels under 512m from any Linden Maintenance land.)

Just a quick question, how many sim lagging scripts can you fit in 3 prims in every sim on the grid except your favourite one?



You wouldn't have lost anything... your ugly spinning sculpture is in your inventory, your land is still in your possession, and it is still for sale at that ridiculously high amount... just in case someone wants to buy it.

The only thing is, it is not trying to extort someone to buy it now by disrupting their quality of Second Life.

Never mind scripts. Stack bots 40 deep and drive everyone else off the sim. Hey that's one way to drive traffic to one's favorite! (Gosh--hope Phil isn't reading this )

This would be the first time they got heavy-handed with something that was not as a result of outside pressure (like German reporters or FBI agents or government laws). Jack Linden said to keep reading the blog. Can't wait to see what they decide. Unless it's like when Robin said to keep reading the blog about the solution to landbots. We all know the clever solution they came up with for that one: Throttle land search to BENEFIT the bot runners, but otherwise do nothing.

yes, but I had read in another thread where the 16sq/m plots were used to host scripted objects for unknown purposes.

If you are saying the solution to ad farmers is to return ugly things to inventory, I'm inclined to think that isn't going to be done ever. For one thing, define ugly. For another, half of the items rezzed on the mainland currently would be returned.

If you are saying the solution to ad farmers is to return ugly things to inventory, I'm inclined to think that isn't going to be done ever. Otherwise half of the items rezzed on the mainland currently would be returned. Also, please define ugly. (No fair using my avatar as an example).

Yeah. (These threads are getting out of control in length--and breadth!) The thing is, scripts aren't actually that good at lagging sims without doing stuff that's pretty obvious. It would be theoretically possible to run a whole *bunch* of scripts all doing sensor or comms stuff, say, and drag the sim down because the library calls are gobbling up sim network resources outside the script timeslice, but *mostly* scripts just lag other scripts, and to a scheduler-limited degree. They can, of course lag the heck out of viewers--but only by doing stuff that's at least theoretically visible.

I wasn't saying this was the solution... I am fully in favour (and keep adding suggestions) to the ability to visually mute objects. (note to someone in another message that said it wouldn't help the new residents that have to see them. it would benefit them if they are on your property and your property had it set to visually mute the ugly stuff).. I was just replying to your message regarding what would happen if LL chose to impliment the option someone suggested of just getting some [round fleshy objects] and stood up and started clearing out the ad stuff.

sounds good to me.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that the link to the JIRA meta-issue where you can view the various proposed solutions to adfarms is located here:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-608

If you have any other suggestions to add to JIRA, please link them to the meta-issue so everyone can see them.

either I do not get out enough, or I do not get out to those places

I never see it that bad anywhere I go

strange to see, happy I do not see it every day

I don't have much faith in the in world meetings. I think they actually show LL's disinterest in really knowing what it's customers want, but I'd be willing to give it a try. The cube over the heads thing sounds fun.



A lot of great points throughout your post. This may turn into a very messy business but they at least have enough to get started and begin improving the mainland right away.

Another reason that I hope a good competitor comes along to either give LL the kick in the ass it needs or to give people a better option.

Well, the problem with that is, you are never going to get there. To that perfect designing and programming.

Not and still have a world.

You (the world owners) would be spending all your time with your head inside some computer code, trying to figure out how to outsmart those foxy humans again without actually playing their human game.

You would be limiting yourself to ONLY that which has a coding solution, and never using any form of law or authority at all. You would be essentially muzzling yourself from ever saying anything at all about running your own world.

And you would never catch up. If you ever DID catch up, it would be only because no one could see or interact with anything or anyone else anymore anyway, so we might as well all be playing Sims 2, and you'd be right back to where you started from - no world.

As for doing nothing but waiting until some technological miracle presented itself (which it can't, by definition above) - that's nice for those who like anarchy; not so great for everyone else.

Where there are people, there must be authority and law, and law must be upheld by people. Unless you know of some place where this hasn't been true, throughout the entirity of human history?

LL knows this, and has written a reasonable sounding TOS. Yet they don't think it's important to uphold it, for the most part. They basically just don't pay much attention to what goes on in the world, and really don't want to have to. Like you, they prefer the world of code; not people.

But they need to, because stuff like this is harming their bottom line.

coco

Yes they will.

You just have to practically beat them senseless first.

coco

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The idea indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of coded rules in the first place, I would say.

A law that is enforced automatically by code is the same as a law that is enforced manually by code. Everything that LL does is enforced by one piece of code or another; some of it takes more manual attention, that's all. It might be more efficient to do it automatically, but there isn't any difference in end results between a rule built into SL which says "you can't build on someone else's land" and an endless series of Lindens who remove anything you build on someone else's land. Both are the enforcement of a principle, decided by somebody and enforced by them to the best of their abilities.

It doesn't matter whether it is programmed in or enforced manually. The latter is more resource-intensive and unpredictable, but also more sensitive to context, so may be more appropriate in some cases. But either way, it is "authority". Code doesn't just appear out of nowhere.

Go to the top of the screen, find Quick Links, scroll to Edit Options, go to the bottom of this page where it says Miscellaneous Options



Select Standard Editor, Extra Formatting Options..save changes...

Now when you go to make a post or quote someone, you will have an extra bar of formatting tools



If you click the yellow button with the mountains on it, a dialog box will appear asking you to paste in the URL of an image which it will display as an image on the forums.

For future references the code to wrap an image in is [IMG ] URL Here [/ IMG]

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Yes, but -

There is a difference between using code to automatically enforce a rule you need now.

And dreamily hoping some code that isn't even on the drawing board yet will solve all your problems.

I think its this situation that Coco could be describing.

What I mean is, Ordinal, as long as two people are interacting, you can't code against all possible problems. A human has to come in there to settle things.

Unless you are playing Sims 2, with no other humans.

Agreed, if you could take the program and make it so anybody who wanted to didn't have to look at anyone or anything they wanted not to look at, you would cut down on a fair amount of the problem.

But the problem would still be there, especially for new people coming into SL. I don't think it would be a very good selling point to say, "Welcome to SL, now just ignore all the awful stuff, and here's the button where you can make it disappear."

And it would get worse, as the awful stuff would just propagate under such policy.

Which would lower the numbers of people joining SL, or staying there once they were in it.

Buttons are nice and everything, but they can't replace human intervention, guidance, rules, regulations, and . . . authority.

coco