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Smith Peel
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10-08-2009 08:42
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Nice to see that a discussion on "Women becoming successful in SL"....involves 5 pages of booby comments. :)


Scylla started it!!!
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Mickey Vandeverre
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10-08-2009 08:43
From: Scylla Rhiadra
LOL

Well, so long as women are saddled with "boobies," instead of "breasts," I see impediments to our further success . . .


For a minute there, thought I was at the RL office water cooler listening in on why Sally Sue is pulling 6 figures, and Betty Lou is not.
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10-08-2009 08:43
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Nice to see that a discussion on "Women becoming successful in SL"....involves 5 pages of booby comments. :)
What is it about boobies, anyway? I don't see a single word about gannets or albatrosses.
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Smith Peel
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10-08-2009 08:43
From: Scylla Rhiadra
LOL

Well, so long as women are saddled with "boobies," instead of "breasts," I see impediments to our further success . . .


Your boobies are total assets to your success :cool:
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Minka Pearl
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10-08-2009 08:52
I see my favorite subject discussed, but since im pressed for time i havent read the whole 7 pages.

I do want to say. SL is somewhat a reflection of whats happening in the real world. We are finding it easier and easier to find work versus a male figure. Now the type of work may not be as good, but as manufacturing and production is phased out to third world countries men are left with fewer and fewer work options.
And not all guys are built in geeks and thus can make it in the new world.

We, us girls can do anything now, even reproduce without a male. Now think on that a while.
Meanwhile, I'll go have brunch and make my waiter spill his tray when I pick up my napkin I happen to drop. Then the owner, seeing the male distracted fires him and hires a new female.

Now if prostitution was legalized there would be entire new industries and job opportunities.
Smart girls make smart money. A crack ho will always be a crak ho. Its who you are that makes a difference on how well you do in life. (ok a few good chances help too.. or being born a hilton.)
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-08-2009 09:01
From: Minka Pearl
I do want to say. SL is somewhat a reflection of whats happening in the real world. We are finding it easier and easier to find work versus a male figure. Now the type of work may not be as good, but as manufacturing and production is phased out to third world countries men are left with fewer and fewer work options.
And not all guys are built in geeks and thus can make it in the new world.

There is a great deal of truth to this. But it is also true that there remain enormous disparities between the genders in the money earned even WITHIN the same profession. And the "glass ceiling," while it is cracking, is still there.

And there are, of course, professions that are STILL overwhelmingly male. Here's a strange one: philosophy. Academic philosophy is COMPLETELY dominated by males, and from what I've heard, enormously difficult for women to establish themselves in. And of course, there are other more obvious ones.

Some of this is demographic: women haven't been strongly represented for as long as men in some of these professions. So, the wage gap will shrink over time. So too, I very much hope (and largely believe) will the disparities produced by outdated attitudes.
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10-08-2009 09:10
From: Minka Pearl
Meanwhile, I'll go have brunch and make my waiter spill his tray when I pick up my napkin I happen to drop. Then the owner, seeing the male distracted fires him and hires a new female.


Now that is a misuse of boobies :rolleyes:
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10-08-2009 09:26
From: Scylla Rhiadra
There is a great deal of truth to this. But it is also true that there remain enormous disparities between the genders in the money earned even WITHIN the same profession. And the "glass ceiling," while it is cracking, is still there.

And there are, of course, professions that are STILL overwhelmingly male. Here's a strange one: philosophy. Academic philosophy is COMPLETELY dominated by males, and from what I've heard, enormously difficult for women to establish themselves in. And of course, there are other more obvious ones.

Some of this is demographic: women haven't been strongly represented for as long as men in some of these professions. So, the wage gap will shrink over time. So too, I very much hope (and largely believe) will the disparities produced by outdated attitudes.


My view on this, apart from the bosom thing!, is that entrepreneurial activity and success exhibits slightly different behaviour particularly in respect of gender, than that exhibited within employment.

Now I'm not sure of the stats as of 2009 so don't shoot me, but I think I remember reading that as of 2007, while there were almost twice as many new businesses started by men, those started by women were actually more likely to still be in business after 5 years.

From my experience of SL I'd say that commerce is entrepreneurial in nature and seems to exhibit the same traits as those I'm citing (maybe incorrectly) from RL.

I'm not sure what this says about business ability across gender, but I see a lot of cultural and situational reasons why this difference might be.

I hope I'm not going to cause havoc by saying this, but it seems to me that one of the main issues for women in maintaining equity with men throughout a career is the fact that they are still predominantly responsible within our society for childcare.

Even with enlightened employment practices and rights in this area, we are still talking about many women taking an extended break in their careers. Which I'm afraid can't help but impact career progress at a point which is often the most productive phase.

Entrepreneurial activity however can be designed more around an individuals schedule and other commitments.

My view therefore, is that it looks to me as if Women in SL are more successful and contribute more in startup activity in the medium term than men, but that's a purely personal observation.
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10-08-2009 10:06
Re: Boobies - the term has been reclaimed by breast cancer fundraisers, sponsoring many bare-it-for-breast-cancer events, sometimes called "Boobie-thons". cf: http://boobiethon.com/

And, of course, the SL inworld week-long Boobiethon event, in progress as we speak:
http://winterfell.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hello-and-hooray-for-boobies
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10-08-2009 10:19
From: Nika Talaj
Re: Boobies - the term has been reclaimed by breast cancer fundraisers, sponsoring many bare-it-for-breast-cancer events, sometimes called "Boobie-thons". cf: http://boobiethon.com/

And, of course, the SL inworld week-long Boobiethon event, in progress as we speak:
http://winterfell.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hello-and-hooray-for-boobies


Now that is a cause I can feel :D

I am sad that I missed the BoobieBall... why does nobody tell me these things :(
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10-08-2009 10:21
OK, I just texted my bloke asking for the etymology of "norks" (hope he wasn't in an important meeting) and he has no idea. Does anybody else use this word, or did he perhaps make it up?

Tits is fine and, I think, my preferred word. Titties makes me cringe. Boobies are for breastfed infants. Breasts is ok, but a bit clinical and bosoms are just ... sad.

Meanwhile, goolies ends in "ies" and so does willies, although most men only have one of these - except when there was that bug that showed transparent attachments at a distance ... that was fun!
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10-08-2009 10:28
Australianism of the 1950s for women's breasts, said to derive from Norco butter (Norco Co-operative Ltd. of New South Wales) wrapper packaging displaying a cow's udder on the package. 1966 S.J.BAKER Australian Language (edition 2)

Pep (I don't call them anything; it's rude to speak with your mouth full.)
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10-08-2009 10:30
From: spinster Voom
bosoms are just ... sad.


Bosoms are lovely, warm and inviting.

Maybe it's a small boy thing, maybe it's just "my" small boy thing..!

Sitting with the school nurse, feeling a bit sorry for yourself, a skinned knee or a black eye.

She didn't have boobies, or breasts,, she had a lovely starched bosom and when she pulled you in for that little cuddle before she sent you on your way.....

And then there was that great sex symbol Hattie Jacques (for a UK audience only), there's no way she possessed anything other than a large welcoming, homely bosom....

Oops.. I feel I've gone too far.
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10-08-2009 10:33
From: Pserendipity Daniels
said to derive from Norco butter (Norco Co-operative Ltd. of New South Wales) wrapper packaging displaying a cow's udder on the package


So basically "udders" in plain English. Not sexy IMHO... I will stick with "boobies" :P
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10-08-2009 10:34
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Australianism of the 1950s for women's breasts, said to derive from Norco butter (Norco Co-operative Ltd. of New South Wales) wrapper packaging displaying a cow's udder on the package. 1966 S.J.BAKER Australian Language (edition 2)


wow, that's obscure!
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10-08-2009 10:36
From: Atticus Lethecus
Bosoms are lovely, warm and inviting.

Maybe it's a small boy thing, maybe it's just "my" small boy thing..!

Sitting with the school nurse, feeling a bit sorry for yourself, a skinned knee or a black eye.

She didn't have boobies, or breasts,, she had a lovely starched bosom and when she pulled you in for that little cuddle before she sent you on your way.....

And then there was that great sex symbol Hattie Jacques (for a UK audience only), there's no way she possessed anything other than a large welcoming, homely bosom....

Oops.. I feel I've gone too far.


I am getting the feeling you like big knockers. I like little titties. I am gonna guess that has something to do with preferred word choice here :D
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10-08-2009 10:37
From: Atticus Lethecus
Bosoms are lovely, warm and inviting.

Maybe it's a small boy thing, maybe it's just "my" small boy thing..!

Sitting with the school nurse, feeling a bit sorry for yourself, a skinned knee or a black eye.

She didn't have boobies, or breasts,, she had a lovely starched bosom and when she pulled you in for that little cuddle before she sent you on your way.....

And then there was that great sex symbol Hattie Jacques (for a UK audience only), there's no way she possessed anything other than a large welcoming, homely bosom....

Oops.. I feel I've gone too far.

I rest my case :p

Hattie Jacques' was more of a bust than a bosom, though.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-08-2009 10:39
From: Atticus Lethecus
My view on this, apart from the bosom thing!, is that entrepreneurial activity and success exhibits slightly different behaviour particularly in respect of gender, than that exhibited within employment.

Now I'm not sure of the stats as of 2009 so don't shoot me, but I think I remember reading that as of 2007, while there were almost twice as many new businesses started by men, those started by women were actually more likely to still be in business after 5 years.

From my experience of SL I'd say that commerce is entrepreneurial in nature and seems to exhibit the same traits as those I'm citing (maybe incorrectly) from RL.

I'm not sure what this says about business ability across gender, but I see a lot of cultural and situational reasons why this difference might be.

I hope I'm not going to cause havoc by saying this, but it seems to me that one of the main issues for women in maintaining equity with men throughout a career is the fact that they are still predominantly responsible within our society for childcare.

Even with enlightened employment practices and rights in this area, we are still talking about many women taking an extended break in their careers. Which I'm afraid can't help but impact career progress at a point which is often the most productive phase.

Entrepreneurial activity however can be designed more around an individuals schedule and other commitments.

My view therefore, is that it looks to me as if Women in SL are more successful and contribute more in startup activity in the medium term than men, but that's a purely personal observation.

I am not nearly as up-to-scratch on the issue of women entrepreneurs, but what you say on that score sounds overall quite heartening.

You are, of course, absolutely right about the childcare issue and its impact on women's careers (and hence wages). In Canada, at least, we are moving very sluggishly towards some reforms in this area, but I am not holding my breath. It's an important issue in all sorts of ways, not least because access to daycare impacts most severely on the lowest wage earners.

One thing that IS becoming more and more general, and that does represent a step forward in all sorts of ways, is that more and more employers are allowing the father take a portion of the maternity leave. I know quite a few men who have taken this up. If it becomes even more general, it will help alleviate somewhat the burden that maternity leave (wonderful though it is) tends to place upon women and their careers.
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10-08-2009 10:40
From: Smith Peel
I am getting the feeling you like big knockers. I like little titties. I am gonna guess that has something to do with preferred word choice here :D

interesting ... so there's a bit of synaesthesia going on here?
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10-08-2009 10:43
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interesting ... so there's a bit of synaesthesia going on here?


Ohhh I like that word, yeah. That's my guess. I know what goes on in my head when I hear "boobies" or "titties" and it is much more pleasant than any of the sensations from the other words :D
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-08-2009 10:43
From: Atticus Lethecus
And then there was that great sex symbol Hattie Jacques (for a UK audience only), there's no way she possessed anything other than a large welcoming, homely bosom....

OMG, Hattie Jacques . . . there's a name I haven't even thought about in . . . well, since I was living at home still, and my parents would watch Carry On films . . .

Surely she was funny, and certainly pneumatic, but . . . sexy??? Really???
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10-08-2009 10:45
From: Scylla Rhiadra
OMG, Hattie Jacques . . . there's a name I haven't even thought about in . . . well, since I was living at home still, and my parents would watch Carry On films . . .

Surely she was funny, and certainly pneumatic, but . . . sexy??? Really???





Someone might gonna have to explain this picture that comes up when you Google her.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-08-2009 10:48
From: Smith Peel


Someone might gonna have to explain this picture that comes up when you Google her.

Yeah, but Hattie Jacques is the one to the right . . . The mostly nude one is, I think, Barbara Windsor.

See my point?

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10-08-2009 10:49
From: Smith Peel


Someone might gonna have to explain this picture that comes up when you Google her.

she's the one on the right :rolleyes:
The one on the left, with the "titties" is Barbara Windsor.
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10-08-2009 10:52
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Yeah, but Hattie Jacques is the one to the right . . . The mostly nude one is, I think, Barbara Windsor.

See my point?



Yeah, but she does appear to be quite matronly, which seems to be my buddy Atticus' hot button. To each his own :D
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