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Jig Chippewa
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10-06-2009 06:42
Do you think women are more "successful" in sl than men?

I haven't qualified the type of success - I'm leaving that up to you.
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10-06-2009 06:46
I don't think gender necessarily has any impact upon one's success in SL. People can just pretend to be the opposite gender if they feel there is a benefit to it business-wise, for starters.
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Jig Chippewa
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10-06-2009 06:48
From: Smith Peel
I don't think gender necessarily has any impact upon one's success in SL. People can just pretend to be the opposite gender if they feel there is a benefit to it business-wise, for starters.

Oh go on - just play my game! Don't be so PC this early in teh day.
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10-06-2009 06:53
From: Jig Chippewa
Oh go on - just play my game! Don't be so PC this early in teh day.


Alright... Well I had to bite my tongue the first time in order not to mention that the obvious most successful resident was female (although I heard that her husband logged into her account as well) but that she's horrid and deserves every flexi penis flung at her :rolleyes:
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Rhonda Huntress
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10-06-2009 06:53
My answer is not on the list.
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 06:54
Well, I'd happily play along . . . but I don't know how you are defining "success"? Most friends/most popular? Most successful in business? Best able to put SL to use at its full potential?
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Rhonda Huntress
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10-06-2009 06:57
From: Jig Chippewa
Oh go on - just play my game! Don't be so PC this early in teh day.

There is nothing PC about it. Gender does not matter. You can be whatever gender you feel like so that whole basis of distinction does not apply.
Jig Chippewa
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10-06-2009 06:57
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Well, I'd happily play along . . . but I don't know how you are defining "success"? Most friends/most popular? Most successful in business? Best able to put SL to use at its full potential?


Oh, poor and confused sister-mine. I said YOU define it for yourself - so it could be in relationships or business or in actually playing teh "game" - that kinda thing. That's how we do it in real also.
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Fifafan Schoonhoven
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10-06-2009 07:00
Success in a 'game' is only measured by comparing what you get out of it as compared to what you expected to get out of it.

Thus, I am the most successful. SL does for me exactly what I want it to.
Ceka Cianci
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10-06-2009 07:05
i would say they are in they fashion industry end of it here..
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 07:18
From: Jig Chippewa
Oh, poor and confused sister-mine. I said YOU define it for yourself - so it could be in relationships or business or in actually playing teh "game" - that kinda thing. That's how we do it in real also.

Well, ok . . .

I would say that women (define THAT how you will) have made the "most" of SL, generally. They are at the top of the business world here, if they don't actually dominate it. They are, I suspect, generally more alive to the things that SL has to offer, be they art, or education, or history, or role play. And, in a RL culture where it is STILL more acceptable for a man to "cheat" or just generally be sexually active, than a woman, they have found themselves more sexually liberated here.

That said . . . the tendency for more men (yes, yes, HUGE generalization, I know) to see this as a "game," rather than as a real virtual world, with real people, has also left women more vulnerable than men here. So, while I am not trying to make a black and white distinction here (there are probably nearly as many exceptions as instances), I would say that women are more prone to be "hurt" by what happens in SL.

In general, though: SL is a woman's world.

It's about time we had one of our own! :cool:
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 07:31
From: Scylla Rhiadra
I would say that women (define THAT how you will) have made the "most" of SL, generally. They are at the top of the business world here, if they don't actually dominate it. They are, I suspect, generally more alive to the things that SL has to offer, be they art, or education, or history, or role play.
As for business, what I see is that women dominate the fashion industry and the service side of the sex industry, which might even be expected. They also seem to have a large percentage of the various aspects of the Dom/sub and BDSM market in SL.

Whereas it seems to me that men dominate many of the things we would associate as 'typical for a man' like building houses or technical gadgets, making a success in "things" for the sex related industries (animations, sex related venues,etc), and/or being very much into participating in the sex aspect of SL.


And yes, all of the above is "generalizations" and does not apply to every man or woman in SL.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 07:34
From: LittleMe Jewell
Whereas it seems to me that men dominate many of the things we would associate as 'typical for a man' like building houses or technical gadgets, making a success in "things" for the sex related industries (animations, sex related venues,etc), and/or being very much into participating in the sex aspect of SL.

What about the "land" business, which is huge in SL? Is the one well-known female success story in this field an exception? I confess, I don't know.
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10-06-2009 07:34
From: LittleMe Jewell
... women dominate... the service side of the sex industry


Men keep forgetting to charge :cool:
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10-06-2009 07:35
From: Scylla Rhiadra
What about the "land" business, which is huge in SL? Is the one well-known female success story in this field an exception? I confess, I don't know.


There are rumours that at least one of the other top players is female in real life.
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10-06-2009 07:37
From: Scylla Rhiadra
What about the "land" business, which is huge in SL? Is the one well-known female success story in this field an exception? I confess, I don't know.
I always thought that Sarah Nerd was pretty successful in the land business, and there is another female name that is slipping my mind at the moment. The land business might truly be a 50/50 market - or at least closer to even than some of the other markets. And of course, Prok is very successful in the Rental side of the land market, though I have no clue about other areas.
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PeterPan Price
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10-06-2009 07:37
From: Smith Peel
People can just pretend to be the opposite gender if they feel there is a benefit to it business-wise, for starters.


Oh. So that's why they do it.
Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 07:38
From: Smith Peel
Men keep forgetting to charge :cool:

Hmmm.

Actually, it IS a little depressing how this side of things so accurately mirrors RL.

The one compensation, I think, is that the sex industry in SL is not nearly so unpleasant (in terms of working conditions), exploitative, or dangerous in SL as it is in RL.

Footnote: A loose coalition of women sex workers have just taken Canada's anti-prostitution laws to court, in an attempt to have them abolished. The argument, which has some merit, is that they are inherently misogynist, and make working conditions for female sex workers much more dangerous than they need be.
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10-06-2009 07:39
From: LittleMe Jewell
I always thought that Sarah Nerd was pretty successful in the land business...


True, I forgot about Sarah.
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LittleMe Jewell
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10-06-2009 07:40
From: Smith Peel
People can just pretend to be the opposite gender if they feel there is a benefit to it business-wise, for starters.
From: PeterPan Price
Oh. So that's why they do it.
Prok has flat out stated that a few times.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 07:40
From: LittleMe Jewell
I always thought that Sarah Nerd was pretty successful in the land business, and there is another female name that is slipping my mind at the moment. The land business might truly be a 50/50 market - or at least closer to even than some of the other markets. And of course, Prok is very successful in the Rental side of the land market, though I have no clue about other areas.

The obvious case is Anshe Chung, who was famously the first (only?) person to parlay a virtual real estate business into a million dollar RL one. And of course, she's branched out into many other fields now as well.
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10-06-2009 07:40
From: PeterPan Price
Oh. So that's why they do it.


LOLz... Yeah, probably not most of them.
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10-06-2009 07:41
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Footnote: A loose coalition of women sex workers have just taken Canada's anti-prostitution laws to court, in an attempt to have them abolished. The argument, which has some merit, is that they are inherently misogynist, and make working conditions for female sex workers much more dangerous than they need be.
In many ways this might be true. I think that the women working the sex industry in Vegas are, in a lot of ways, safer than many other US cities.
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Smith Peel
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10-06-2009 07:43
From: Scylla Rhiadra
A loose coalition of women sex workers


Oh Scylla, you really crack me up sometimes!!!!!

From: Scylla Rhiadra
have just taken Canada's anti-prostitution laws to court, in an attempt to have them abolished. The argument, which has some merit, is that they are inherently misogynist, and make working conditions for female sex workers much more dangerous than they need be.


I'm sure as forward-thinking as Canadia seems to be, this will come to pass at some point ;)
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Scylla Rhiadra
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10-06-2009 07:44
From: LittleMe Jewell
In many ways this might be true. I think that the women working the sex industry in Vegas are, in a lot of ways, safer than many other US cities.

I'm sure. And even more so in those European cities like Amsterdam where the trade is well-regulated and controlled.

I really don't see a very valid argument for keeping "illegal" a trade that is already winked at, for the most part, by the authorities. It just makes the whole thing more perilous for everyone involved, and ensures, moreover, that the business remains controlled by the underworld.
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