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What are Ginko Bonds worth?

Uvas Umarov
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08-21-2007 08:41
Yes, it would be a boon to a few countries. Or the corporations doing the digging.

But the value of the metal is created by the effort to extract it. You can't just simply press the on button on a printing press. :D
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"On the other hand, if you are convinced that I spent all the money on a new sports car, then getting even 2.5% instead of 0% back would be quite a deal, wouldn't it?" ---ginko bank owner on his financial dealings
Cristalle Karami
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08-21-2007 08:45
From: Uvas Umarov
Yes, it would be a boon to a few countries. Or the corporations doing the digging.

But the value of the metal is created by the effort to extract it. You can't just simply press the on button on a printing press. :D
Or, like here, make bonds out of thin air...
Andy Grant
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08-21-2007 08:53
From: Uvas Umarov
No, the dollar is a measure of weight, like a pound or an ounce or a ton. It is usually reserved for the measurement of precious metals like gold or silver.

If you are familiar with bullets, you will know that the amount of gunpowder in a given bullet is measured in grains. So, a US dollar is exactly 412.5 grains of silver. for comparison, an ounce is exactly 437.5 grains. So a dollar is slightly smaller than an ounce.

A half dollar weighed exactly one half of a dollar, and a quarter weighed 1/4 of a dollar, and a dime weighed 1/10th of a dollar. See how nice that is?

Everyone has been filled with propaganda that a dollar is some sort of other thing, tied to debt, or growth or some other such nonsense. This is mainly the doing of the federal reserve. They back their fiat currency like ginko backs their bonds :), with nothing.

A precious metal based currency is our only guard against these sorts of scams.


You actualy say one argument then destroy it with another, wich is it ?
Uvas Umarov
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08-21-2007 08:59
From: Andy Grant
You actualy say one argument then destroy it with another, wich is it ?



I'm sorry, I don't follow you...
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Dzonatas Sol
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08-21-2007 11:08
From: Talarus Luan
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You are an insider or an alt of an insider?
Talarus Luan
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08-21-2007 11:54
Don't need to be an "insider" to see through a scheme this obvious.
Colette Meiji
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08-21-2007 12:35
From: Cristalle Karami
Or, like here, make bonds out of thin air...


The big difference being a "Run" on the USA's assets is basically impossible. Teh country also has a 231 year solid credit history.

Ginko has no credit history at all. The first time they had to really come up with any real money, they couldnt.

Couldnt even say where it was. :rolleyes:

I hope at least Nick P has for his own sake kept track of where the money all went.

If on the off chance this did go to court, I wonder how the judge will respond to "Its invested, but I wont disclose where"
Talarus Luan
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08-21-2007 15:11
From: Colette Meiji
The big difference being a "Run" on the USA's assets is basically impossible. Teh country also has a 231 year solid credit history.


The reason the Federal Reserve isn't a Ponzi scheme is because it doesn't even remotely meet the criteria. It isn't offering a ridiculous RoI because it is the yardstick which is used to gauge what is ridiculous and what isn't. It also CAN meet all of its promises, because it CAN literally "make money". Ponzi scheme scams can't. It also cannot be considered to be failing to pay out returns on investment from real returns rather than future depositor's money because it IS the investment itself.

As such, any attempt to paint it as a Ponzi scheme in and of itself is patently absurd.

From: someone
If on the off chance this did go to court, I wonder how the judge will respond to "Its invested, but I wont disclose where"


In the US, it would probably something along these lines:

"OK, well, you can rot in a nice, cozy jail cell until you WILL disclose where."

Contempt of court really sucks.
June Cela
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Obligated to disclose assets?
08-21-2007 15:13
According to the WSE constitution, "The company must provide a minimum of one announcement and report each month to shareholders detailing the companies current operational and financial performance." I wonder when we can expect that report and announcement? I would be interested to know what assets my former balance of $303,000L is backed with?
Justin Slade
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08-21-2007 15:17
From: Cristalle Karami
Or, like here, make bonds out of thin air...



Well this is possible being how it is a virtual world.. Virtual air can make anything like cubes, spheres and globes.. Many do that on a daily basis. We also know we are virtual people that can put those objects together to make a virtual bank, then can ask (sucker) other virtual people to take their virtual money which is made from real money at a real job and deposit it in a virtual ATM. Once that Peron has enough of your virtual money he/she can say kiss their virtual butt goodbye. Then you will never see your virtual money again.

The only thing about the above that can be wrong is if that person was among the few Casino owners that were able to set the machines to payout little and make a fortune off of other people. But I don't think their still around. I think they took their (our) money out of those virtual banks ( causing a run) and got out of town (virtual town)
Talarus Luan
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08-21-2007 15:50
From: Justin Slade
Well this is possible being how it is a virtual world.. Virtual air can make anything like cubes, spheres and globes..


Let me know when you can make Linden dollars out of that "virtual air". ;P
Andy Grant
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08-21-2007 17:16
From: Colette Meiji
The big difference being a "Run" on the USA's assets is basically impossible. Teh country also has a 231 year solid credit history.


Has already been done, not once but several times it was never complete and in many cases stopped by force (either military or political force).... Should there be a more serious run on the USD, the value would collapse and your house would be worthless, usas purchasing power would not exist... The major "Runs" from dollar that has been noticable are, when iraq stopped selling oil for usd, now iran does same, russia does same, sweden and many other coutries are accelerating to reduce their holdings in usd... oh btw. keep this in mind japan alone holds over 50% of total usd float in the world, recently iran proposed to japan to trade oil for yen and that can have really interresting effects on the dollar (should this be agreed, japan could aswell dump all their usd holdings on open market, why hold something in sick quantities when you dont have to use it to trade).

At the same time they keep pumping US Treasury (Junk) Bonds in order to control the crash.

PONZI!
Qie Niangao
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08-21-2007 19:28
From: Andy Grant
oh btw. keep this in mind japan alone holds over 50% of total usd float in the world
Ummm... China has by far the largest foreign reserves of US dollars. What any of this has to do with the value of GPBs, however, quite escapes me.
Andy Grant
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08-21-2007 19:55
From: Qie Niangao
Ummm... China has by far the largest foreign reserves of US dollars. What any of this has to do with the value of GPBs, however, quite escapes me.


I was just comparing 2 similar systems, both require everdeveloping growth in deposits to survive.
Finora Kuncoro
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08-21-2007 22:09
From: Andy Grant
I was just comparing 2 similar systems, both require everdeveloping growth in deposits to survive.


They are about as similar as roquefort cheese and an IPhone

A ponzi scheme requires increasing deposits for the obvious reason that it has no other income to pay out.

A government bond is backed by a large income the government derives from taxation etc. Despite the hyperbole about US government debt, the debt interest payments account for only 1.7% of GDP (out of a total government budget of 20.2% of GDP). That makes it currently a rather safe investment.


From: Andy Grant
Should there be a more serious run on the USD, the value would collapse and your house would be worthless.


This statement assumes that there are zero fungible assets in the USA, which is a very strange assertion to make.
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08-21-2007 22:30
From: Brodsky Zapedzki
I was asked by a resident on another thread how much Ginko Bonds are worth but unfortunately the thread got closed before I was able to answer.



There is a reason the thread was closed.

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Colette Meiji
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08-22-2007 08:30
From: Andy Grant
Has already been done, not once but several times it was never complete and in many cases stopped by force (either military or political force).... Should there be a more serious run on the USD, the value would collapse and your house would be worthless, usas purchasing power would not exist... The major "Runs" from dollar that has been noticable are, when iraq stopped selling oil for usd, now iran does same, russia does same, sweden and many other coutries are accelerating to reduce their holdings in usd... oh btw. keep this in mind japan alone holds over 50% of total usd float in the world, recently iran proposed to japan to trade oil for yen and that can have really interresting effects on the dollar (should this be agreed, japan could aswell dump all their usd holdings on open market, why hold something in sick quantities when you dont have to use it to trade).

At the same time they keep pumping US Treasury (Junk) Bonds in order to control the crash.

PONZI!


I am not sure where all this supposed information comes from.

I can guess though, "The internets"

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It reads more like a conspiracy theory than anything else.

Iraq didnt stop taking USD for oil - The US was imposing trade sanctions against Iraq...

And so on.

Oddly enough many of the illegal trades made with Iraq during the time of UN sanctions - were done in US Dollars.

US dollars being the most Universally accepted currency in the World.
Dzonatas Sol
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08-22-2007 08:36
From: Talarus Luan
Don't need to be an "insider" to see through a scheme this obvious.


You didn't answer my question.
Dzonatas Sol
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08-22-2007 08:42
From: Talarus Luan
Contempt of court really sucks.


Other countries don't let thier judges (or likewise) have such freedom to use contempt. U.S. judges make-up laws by the use of U.S.'s odd contempt power.
Dekka Raymaker
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08-22-2007 09:28
From: Colette Meiji
…Iraq didnt stop taking USD for oil - The US was imposing trade sanctions against Iraq...



The US would say that, wouldn't they?
Colette Meiji
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08-22-2007 09:31
From: Dekka Raymaker
The US would say that, wouldn't they?


:rolleyes:
Justin Slade
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08-22-2007 11:25
What does any of this have to do with GINKO screwing us


Wath..if you don't know what WIC is..you better find out before you loose more
Qie Niangao
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08-23-2007 09:26
Ummm... So, how does WIC affect GPB holders? (I know *what* it is, but for the life of me, I can't see why, as long as there's LindeX and PayPal).
Cristalle Karami
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08-23-2007 09:29
From: Qie Niangao
Ummm... So, how does WIC affect GPB holders? (I know *what* it is, but for the life of me, I can't see why, as long as there's LindeX and PayPal).

If someone is stupid enough to buy that bond with WIC... really, the currency itself has no impact, but WIC allows non-SL players to trade the fictional stocks/bonds. Read: uninformed players.
Colette Meiji
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08-23-2007 09:36
From: Cristalle Karami
If someone is stupid enough to buy that bond with WIC... really, the currency itself has no impact, but WIC allows non-SL players to trade the fictional stocks/bonds. Read: uninformed players.


The more they branch out to include people not isolated "In some video game"

The more likely some regulatory agency somewhere will decide they need investigated.
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