The SL economy, explained
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 08:26
From: Mickey Vandeverre When Argent was making the plane.....were you there every step of the way to encourage him, and to tell him that he had a great idea, and to support his building efforts?
Looks like he might want to do some improvements to it.....so you will be there at every step, again, to encourage him? I personally wasn't, no. But there was _someone_ he expected to be able to show it to in the future to think it was cool. I'm aware that this is the generic/specific problem but I don't think that makes the whole thing a write off.. |
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Seven Okelli
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07-15-2009 08:55
From: 3Ring Binder /me throws my hands in the air... /me laughs Yumi is like Pep - you cannot win with either of them. You can only stop first. .
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 09:14
From: Seven Okelli /me laughs
Yumi is like Pep - you cannot win with either of them. You can only stop first.
As happy as people seem to help, what they're really thinking is that there's never any benefit to interacting with me. |
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-15-2009 09:33
From: Yumi Murakami As happy as people seem to help, what they're really thinking is that there's never any benefit to interacting with me. Maybe they don't expect a benefit. Do you expect a benefit every time you interact with someone? |
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 09:35
From: Mickey Vandeverre Maybe they don't expect a benefit. Do you expect a benefit every time you interact with someone? That's a world of difference from saying that there will NEVER be any benefit. It also means they're saying they couldn't be interested in anything ("cool" or otherwise) I made, because otherwise that interest would be a benefit. |
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-15-2009 09:39
From: Yumi Murakami That's a world of difference from saying that there will NEVER be any benefit. It also means they're saying they couldn't be interested in anything ("cool" or otherwise) I made, because otherwise that interest would be a benefit. So you think it is impossible for a person to hang out with another person, if they NEVER receive a benefit? And that it is a requirement for those who hang out with you to be interested in whatever you "make".....no other requirements.....such as an interest in a dozen other aspects of your life? |
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 09:47
From: Mickey Vandeverre So you think it is impossible for a person to hang out with another person, if they NEVER receive a benefit?
And that it is a requirement for those who hang out with you to be interested in whatever you "make".....no other requirements.....such as an interest in a dozen other aspects of your life? No, of course it's not the _only_ thing I'd like - but it's the one relevant to the ongoing discussion. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-15-2009 09:47
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-15-2009 09:50
From: Yumi Murakami No, of course it's not the _only_ thing I'd like - but it's the one relevant to the ongoing discussion. So it's "required".....and do you reciprocate? |
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3Ring Binder
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07-15-2009 10:02
From: Mickey Vandeverre So it's "required".....and do you reciprocate? let me answer. so far, no. i have never been asked what i am doing, interested in, etc. it's always a one-way conversation. but that's the way that relationship is. i accept that about Yumi. 
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 10:03
From: Mickey Vandeverre So it's "required".....and do you reciprocate? No, I didn't say it was required, you said that. I said it was something I would like and that it is the thing relevant to the ongoing discussion. But saying there is NEVER any benefit is also implying they don't see any value in me at all, even just to chat with, because if they did then that would be a benefit. |
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3Ring Binder
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07-15-2009 10:03
From: Seven Okelli /me laughs
Yumi is like Pep - you cannot win with either of them. You can only stop first.
. i will never stop. i'm too stubborn, and it's cheap entertainment. win win
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07-15-2009 10:04
From: Yumi Murakami I personally wasn't, no. But there was _someone_ he expected to be able to show it to in the future to think it was cool. I'm aware that this is the generic/specific problem but I don't think that makes the whole thing a write off.. he told you, he made it for himself because HE thought it was cool. he doesn't care if anyone else thinks it's cool or not.
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 10:05
From: 3Ring Binder let me answer. so far, no. i have never been asked what i am doing, interested in, etc. it's always a one-way conversation. but that's the way that relationship is. i accept that about Yumi. Now, that's not fair - I came to see your garden, didn't I? (And it was pretty neat!) |
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3Ring Binder
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07-15-2009 10:06
From: Yumi Murakami Now, that's not fair - I came to see your garden, didn't I? (And it was pretty neat!) yes, in fact you did. and thank you. i retract my statement.
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-15-2009 10:09
From: 3Ring Binder he told you, he made it for himself because HE thought it was cool. he doesn't care if anyone else thinks it's cool or not. I do care, I'm happier if other people find my stuff cool, but I wouldn't be making it if I didn't find it cool and worth having first. And, you know, it turns out that's a pretty good way to make stuff other people find cool as well.  |
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-15-2009 10:21
From: Yumi Murakami No, I didn't say it was required, you said that. I said it was something I would like and that it is the thing relevant to the ongoing discussion.
But saying there is NEVER any benefit is also implying they don't see any value in me at all, even just to chat with, because if they did then that would be a benefit. Gee, I wonder what would happen if you had a conversation with someone, and expected no benefits from them....and could continue the conversation relaxed, comfortable in the fact that they have no expectations of benefits from you. Ever tried that? |
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 10:38
From: Mickey Vandeverre Gee, I wonder what would happen if you had a conversation with someone, and expected no benefits from them....and could continue the conversation relaxed, comfortable in the fact that they have no expectations of benefits from you.
Ever tried that? I think we're talking at cross purposes over the degree of "benefits". If you enjoy conversing with someone, that's a benefit, by my definition. If there's anything about that conversation that makes you want to continue it, you're benefitting somehow. |
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Mickey Vandeverre
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07-15-2009 10:43
From: Yumi Murakami If there's anything about that conversation that makes you want to continue it, you're benefitting somehow. Not necessarily |
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 10:47
From: Argent Stonecutter I do care, I'm happier if other people find my stuff cool, but I wouldn't be making it if I didn't find it cool and worth having first. And, you know, it turns out that's a pretty good way to make stuff other people find cool as well. Ok, but what would you find "cool" about flying around in a pretend plane on your own? |
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Dekka Raymaker
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07-15-2009 10:48
From: Yumi Murakami Ok, but what would you find "cool" about flying around in a pretend plane on your own? He said "it's all in your head" and I said "so's everything". |
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 11:00
From: Dekka Raymaker He said "it's all in your head" and I said "so's everything". But if that's your point of view, why not just do it in your head? Just imagine flying? It doesn't cost anything, doesn't take hours of work with an awkward build tool, and is no less real. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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07-15-2009 11:05
My head has a sucky GPU.
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Yumi Murakami
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07-15-2009 11:07
From: Argent Stonecutter All I can say is the plane is *still* cool to me, and one of the things that makes it cool is that I know every part of the script and can fix it and make it work better. It's like having a sports car where I built the engine and transmission and frame and everything myself, and I have an infinite toolbox to work on it with, and an ideal workshop to work on it in.
I see the flaws, but to me they're opportunities to improve it. Oh, sure, but most of the time when I see a flaw in something I've built I just have no idea how to correct it. I can try random things, but often they don't do the trick. |
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Seven Okelli
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07-15-2009 11:33
This is the real SL economy - how we spend our energy with people.
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