Void sim $50 tier increase

Sorry I can not afford that at all. I will leave SL.. well maybe not leave, but definantly no way in hell I can pay that a month for a virtual piece of land. I do not make money on my sim I just can't justify that price.

Well it was a nice year I spent on SL and met many friends. And many just plain idiots, but.. It was fun. But that fun does not justify 495.00 a month and no way in hell can I get anyone to pay rent for land that would even touch that amount not to make a profit because that was never my intent, but to at least assist in the fees... Good god have they gone MAD?

I think what will happen if this come about, is Sl will become a virtual world or corporate entities and unfortunantly the only ones who will be here to see that are other corporate entities... It is sad..

It seems to me Greed is ruling the folks at LL, they lost the vision of what it should be and have gone to the dark side...

Me personally.. I stay away from corporate sims...

I just dont get why they think raising the tiers is going to be a good move for their company.

The united states is officially in a recession, and other countries are also in unfortunate times.. Instead of milking their loyal users for all they can they should offer an AFFORDABLE escape for us and use a bit of commen sense.

I know I am just one person and one sim, but if others in my position here supporting an expensive hobby decide to bail... SL will be a virtual wasteland of for sale signs and not enough users with that kind of cash flow to buy...

I'm frustraited and seriously considering dumping the whole idea of having my dream home and a place to pretend I live in a fantastic world that I made...

Sad sad and somewhat depressed over this whole openspace situation and now you bring this post here, speculation maybe.. But even 350.00 tier is to much for me to afford. I mean my god this is not tangable goods, this is a fantasy... Like selling somoene the moon.. Please get a grip LL and think about how you can destroy your company a bit more.

I think there is a simple solution to this. Classify OS servers into 2 different groups. light use and heavy use. Create and announce a specific definition of what 'heavy use' entails. Then batch all the heavy users together onto one server and they can fight each other for the CPU's resources. If a customer reduces their OS load consistently over a pre determined period then they get transferred over a 'light use' CPU/Server.

ISP's employ the same tactics on some networks. Then the 5% of their customers who use 90% of the bandwidth are in contention with each other rather than those people who don't abuse the service.

Take a look at Mos Ainsley sim, or Castle Valeria sim. Those are openspace sims that are almost up to their prim limits - they are owned by LL. If LL does that sort of thing with openspace sims, how on earth can they complain about other people not using them as intended?

Argos's claim is unstantiated and should be taken with a pinch of salt. He has no credibility and no evidence to support the 'rumour'

So don't go planning your leaving party just yet.

Jack has already mentioned the possibility of a light use sim.

Oh.

He probably nicked the idea from me then.

Going "if and when they perhaps maybe at one point will get around to starting to implement the solution which could possibly monitor this", mentioning it as one of the steps they will take *after* they have rolled out the changes to pricing and ownership rules.

I think the only fair thing to do would be to grandfather the existing sims into this, "manually" patrolling the grid with statistics bots for the worst offenders until an automated system for choking resources is in place.

Wiping out the existing openspaces and then later reintroducing them is just jerking people around (and milking them for the setup cost).

Damn... once again my hopes and dreams in SL go up in a puff of smoke. I finally saved up enough and have sufficient income to just about afford an open space sim at the 'old' US$75 rate, had one lined up *and* a project I was going to build: The City of Light. Once again LL policies put it out of my reach. Oh well..... Cordova Sandbox here I come :\

That would be too sane .

My webhost sends me a daily automated email with the CPU usage of my account for the previous (this is regular webhosting, not a virtual private server). If I were to go over the threshold for my plan I'd get one warning before the account is suspended and moved to a different server, at a higher montly plan obviously.

Simple everyday things like that seem to be beyond the capabilities of LL though .

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Some little gems from the chat (http://forums.simonedesignonline.com/viewforum.php?f=4):
Is that what LL considers light-use? It's worse than class 4 openspaces which has 1875 prims and no script limit. One single avie can run around with 250 scripts already and essentially max the sim out.

This one should go in the hall of fame:
Or:
Webhosts have been renting out virtual private servers for years. There's nothing unique about it.

With light use having the same prim limits as they originally had, and a 10 avatar limit, and heavy use being the current product at the current price.

Bring back the original "OpenSpace" concept.

Quote:
"Jack Linden: no-one has ever sold something like Openspaces before. All of this is new territory, so there are no real world models we can apply to know how things will progress."

"sorry I didn't know the fuck 'what I was doing'/'what would happen'.

OpenSpace sims have been around for years without ANY notice because the restrictions on them made their merely decorative purpose very clear. They were low-prim and had to be physically tied to an estate. The sailing sims and any number of other groups used OSS for exactly the purposes they were intended and there was little abuse.

This changed because LL CHANGED IT. They lowered prices, raised prims, and did away with the restriction that coupled the OSS to an estate location. They deliberately, consciously re-positioned this type of sim from a decorative adjunct to a stand-alone sim that was perfect for light residential use.

Now, all of a sudden, they are screaming resource abuse. Which, incidentally, they don't give two figs about when it occurs on the mainland.

hey!


i have had visitors with more than 800 scripts running, on a full sim, ...
and thats another big problem, ppl will max. out resources, with attachments and scripts. script time for one heavy scripted person ~3.0ms
script time for the sim AND me 0.5 - 0.7 ms

the main problem, at login this ppl will bring down a full server to a crawl, what happens to an open space sim

jm2c

Are you sure they are Openspace sims? I went to each and they both support 15,000 prims. I would think the About Land window would show the correct number of allowed prims and therefore show the reduced number.

--Hugsy

Apparently they were Openspace sims until yesterday. Having the blatant hypocrisy of Openspaces not being used as open waterways seems to have seen them changed to full sims to try and protect the not at all innocent.

To play the devil's advocate here (heh demon), LL upgraded to a full sim just as they expect their customer to do, in order to maintain the build. Let's be honest: the left hand often doesn't know what the right hand is doing in corporations.

The phrase that comes to mind for me has something to do with piss ups and breweries but your phrase is probably more suitable.

I prefer Ricky Gervais version....If Linden Labs fell into a barrel of tits they would come out sucking their own thumb...

I'd upgrade to a full sim too if I wouldn't be the one having to pay for it .

I'm not sure if my suggestino is useful. I have post this in Jack Linden's forum, but with over 2000 posts, I don't think he will read it.

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Hi Jack,

I have seen lots of people explaining their concern here about the price hike. My situation is no different from them. So I'm going to contribution some solutions instead of telling you my problem. Maybe some have been mention in earlier post.

1) Only allow 4 openspace sims to every one private sim we own.

That means we need at one private sim to buy 4 openspace. If we have 8 openspace, we need to own 2 private sims. If you want to apply rule to existing openspace owner, please allow them to have free conversion of 4 openspace to 1 private sim. Currently, the low cost of openspace sim has reduce the demand on private sim and mainland. And we will see more increase of openspace in future. I hope this suggestino will balance the demand between openspace, private sim and mainland.

2) Group all openspace sims of same owner into same core/CPU/server.

If any owner overload their openspace sim, it will only affect only that server and not the entire grid. This will make it easy to track down these overloading sim and control them.

3) Since the main cause of the load is due to too many avatars and scripts. Place a limit on them. Also limit the maximum total script runtime allowed per OS sim. This has been suggested by many ppl. I think its applicable.

I know some people has suggested reducing the number of prims as they don't need that much. But the number of prims is not the main cause of the lag in OS. Besides, many estates owners will not agree to this as they paid for 3750 prims not less.

We are all in the same boat, I hope that you can start contributing solution that are acceptable to the majority and Linden Lab. Would like to see win-win solution instead of one that only favour a certain group of OS owner.

I hope Jack would read this post and consider my suggestion.

Ah ok.

I can see how those sims are misleading if someone was actually using them as a reference for what's acceptable on an Openspace. I will say that if that space port or castle were part of a larger estate build, not meant to be lived in, and just there to enhance the main build, then, as detailed as it is, it could be considered just scenery. Maybe I didn't explore them enough, but it seems to me there's a lot to look at, but not a lot to actually do at those places.

--Hugsy

Baseball saying: Couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.
Jazz musicians favorite: He couldn't swing if you hung him
Dad's Favorite: Couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions printed on the heel.

So why not increase the SIM price to $10.000 per day? They will pay themself (!) that money to maintain their building and upgrade to the new level. It is so stupid that it make me laugh (not you.. the example).

I'm not sure what you're saying. But they have allocated the build to a resource (piece of hardware) which they now cannot sell (up front set up fee, plus monthly tier). So the cost to them is real. There is a real cost involved. That doesn't change simply because they own the hardware.

Sis?