Void sim $50 tier increase

cross post but every one should know this and notify their estate owners if they don`t know yet, worth a new thread with a name showing this change

blog: http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/10/27/openspace-pricing-and-policy-changes/
jack(ass) linden discussion forum: /354/1d/289652/1.html

think i`ll have a suspension coming soon™...

Can someone fill me in as to when LL began to "sell" openspace sims in singles? Last I recall you had to purchase 4 AND have them attached to a "root" sim. Thanks..

ages ago, i think it was late march or early june when the "improved" land store opend

You still have to own a regular estate, though it no longer has to be connected. Until today, though, you could have someone else buy it and transfer near total control (but not ownership) to you.

The explanation of what an Openspace was supposed to be used for was made very clear from the beginning:

"It is therefore important to understand what these regions are; they are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way."

http://blog.secondlife.com/2006/09/21/information-about-openspaces-void-regions/#more-326

Since then, the number of allowed prims increased from 1,875 to 3,750. Also, you can now order them one at a time instead of in blocks of four. The intended usage, though, doesn't seem to have changed:

"It is therefore important to understand what these regions are. They are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way."

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=4235

Were there any other changes to the original conditions for owning Openspaces (besides prim count and how many you could buy)?

Was there anything that LL did to make people think that these sims were anything other than light use? Policy? Linden employee comments?

It seems to me that a lot of people who were using these sims properly are now going to have to pay more and they're kinda getting screwed. But it also seems to me that this is because too many people were doing stuff with the Openspaces they knew damn well they should not have been doing.

Do you that the people in the latter category were really a problem for LL or do you think it's just an excuse to raise prices?

Obviously a lot of people think it's just an excuse; I'm not so sure of that.

--Hugsy

What was the purpose of initially ordering them in "Blocks of Four" and having them connected to a full Private Island?

Was it just because they were intended to be scenic waterways?

I think the people abusing openspace sim were causing problems with the grid. Obviously LL could have just banned them but that wouldn't stop new people from taking their place. So i think LL raised the tier specifically to make that kind of abuse unprofitable.

and how many use our voids with a fraction of the "desired resource usage"?
they need to enforce their what ever resources rules and add extra costs for * amount of over usage

"my" void:


don`t see "us" get a discount for minimum resource usages, just the penalty of those abusers, "we" might aswell all use it as a normal sim instead of limiting resources as we`re footing the bill for it eitherway

edit: and those scripts are with some of the scripted clothing in wich i can`t delete the scripts heh

My impression is yes. Basically for scenery. Perhaps light foot/vehicle traffic. Nothing more and specifically not for building (beyond the initial scenery I assume), living, renting, or holding events.

--Hugsy

People using their Openspaces within the intended usage are basically getting screwed over. Should they be mad at LL or the abusers? I'd say probably both. LL should have clamped down on misuses harder and sooner. The abusers shouldn't have abused the system.

--Hugsy

That *would* make sense assuming the 4 openspace at a time would discourage people who just wanted 1 for affordable business (mis)use. But then it does not make sense that they not only raised the prim limit, but they also went ahead and made the Openspace`s to where you neither had to have them connected to a root sim, nor did you need to order 4. That move there seems to go against what LL is saying they were intended for. It seems to have been a move that induced this supposed "Abuse"

yep and it comes down to it every time, again and again

LL unable to coop with their own rules and enforce them so they just screw every one while letting the abusers go on as the rest of the grid pays for their actions

Although they didn't officially change their policy, allowing them to be disconnected from a root sim is pretty misleading. I don't see how that and "light use" as they've defined it are consistent with each other. Thanks for that tidbit.

--Hugsy

put up something funny for sale at 0L, time is ripe for my ancient joke

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sensual%20Estate/132/155/22

Yes, how many people really want to own an Openspace sim for waterways and light foot traffic as a standalone sim? Double the prim count, but don't use them for anything that could be deemed as creative or social?

Of course people were doing other things with them. This is the most egregious mixup I've seen. It's like having two horny teenagers in a private room with condoms in the drawer, and then saying "of course, you'll be abstinent, right???"

Well, the kids went ahead and did it anyway. Unfortunately, the condom broke and now she's knocked-up!

--Hugsy

hmm have had Dead Space installed for the past hours but all i can do is hit F5 in the discussion thread...

any shrinks awake?

I'm not a shrink..but I play one on TV. ^_^















Bah....who am I kidding? I'm just trying to get someone on my couch....>_>

Ouch, this hurts bad.

I am so glad I never got hooked into one of those.

lol


yea, the consequences of this dissaster will go a long way...

To put things in perspective: someone over on SLU did a random sampling and came to the conclusion that about 50% of all private sims were now openspaces. The server count LL gives for SL for would back that up. SL might be in for a rather big reduction in size (and income if a large portion of openspace owning/renting residents don't migrate back to regular sims) .

Raising the cost from $75/month to $100/month would have been painful, but doable, but going from $75 to $125 is just too much.

If they have the means to identify who is overloading their openspace they should just be contacting those estate owners who are letting their openspaces be "abused" and charge them $125/month after 1-2 warnings.

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Or there is the little voice inside my head that LL has really been looking for something to raise the price on (I've been surprised they haven't for a long time now) and they've identified the massive popularity of openspaces makes a perfect cashchow and they're betting on the fact that most will just moan but pay the higher fee when the time comes.

Well this is so not cool

How are they going to raise prices because of the Overuse and then throttle down the use to acceptable levels, but yet keep raised prices?

Why not throttle them - as they should have in the first place, instead of upping the prices.

Because now they are not worth it in my opinion at all. Especially since scripts eat lag on them the moment the use gets above medium.

Well it is about time they did this. I welcome it with open arms. The cost hike is a little steep tho. But it does discourage anyone else renting or selling them for profitable gain ... Too much fraud involved

There's plenty of fraud taking place on full private sims with private land sales as well, maybe they should hike those up to $495/month as a "precaution" as well?

Well now if in the future one compares the cost of having a four open space sims to a full sim, hiking a full sim up to US$495 is cheaper, maybe they are laying the foundations for such a price hike. However, probably not to US$495 though.