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Anthropological research on netiquette in SL

Kaimi Kyomoon
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11-30-2009 13:12
From: Laurin Sorbet
The Bear is a Republic too :)
And don't think we Californians look back on our independence without a certain amount of nostalgic longing...



From: Pserendipity Daniels
It may not be as easy as you think, Laurin. Last night I was out doing my charitable work (collecting for the Home For Wayward Women) and in one particularly disreputable hostelry I noticed a card game going on in a corner with four "gentlemen" being entertained by half-dressed floosies as they caroused and gambled. Three of the gents looked remarkably like Des, Phil and Lear, and although I didn't recognise the fourth, they all seemed to be behaving in an overly obsequious manner and smarming up to him, and addressing him only as "Mister Linden".

Pep (I caught a snatch of conversation which involved the words, "dowry" and "slavery" and Scylla's name was definitely mentioned.)

PS And as I was leaving someone who could have been Deira's twin sister (surely not!) was dancing on one of the tables with a wodge of banknotes stuffed down in her garter.

PPS I am not sure that Melita woman is entirely trustworthy either; anyone that wants to facilitate the distribution of free commodities to needy noobs must either be a saint or using it as a front for some racket, I reckon.
I like it when everyone is having good clean fun.



From: Melita Magic
And they expect us to do all that work FOR them?

(In other words, I don't *care* if it's the sum total or not for all time. It's the sum total of what we were given here.)
By now I'd think there would be lots of SL anthropology thesis papers for sale floating all over the webs.



From: Treasure Ballinger
That's actually a good idea, a portrait of this special family, for the Cartel calendar, eh. Now who all is relatives again, that would be Deira, Laurin, Jig, Pep and Des? (Lord, how did Des end up with this crowd?) Must be an alt-er ego......anyway can't wait for that lovely family pic, to last for all time.......
The theme this year, I believe, is Sci Fi/Horror.
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11-30-2009 13:57
From: Pserendipity Daniels
It may not be as easy as you think, Laurin. Last night I was out doing my charitable work (collecting for the Home For Wayward Women) and in one particularly disreputable hostelry I noticed a card game going on in a corner with four "gentlemen" being entertained by half-dressed floosies as they caroused and gambled. Three of the gents looked remarkably like Des, Phil and Lear, and although I didn't recognise the fourth, they all seemed to be behaving in an overly obsequious manner and smarming up to him, and addressing him only as "Mister Linden".

Pep (I caught a snatch of conversation which involved the words, "dowry" and "slavery" and Scylla's name was definitely mentioned.)

PS And as I was leaving someone who could have been Deira's twin sister (surely not!) was dancing on one of the tables with a wodge of banknotes stuffed down in her garter.

PPS I am not sure that Melita woman is entirely trustworthy either; anyone that wants to facilitate the distribution of free commodities to needy noobs must either be a saint or using it as a front for some racket, I reckon.


Where is the money from that venture/outing of yours? Surely you had good donations. Turn it over, now please.

Deira is a pony. Garter?

Melita is the patron saint of patience.

Treasure (Proprietress of the Home for Wayward Ladies)
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11-30-2009 14:02
From: Treasure Ballinger
Where is the money from that venture/outing of yours? Surely you had good donations. Turn it over, now please.

Treasure (Proprietress of the Home for Wayward Ladies)
You have misunderstood.

Pep (I was collecting the wayward women.)
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11-30-2009 14:07
From: Pserendipity Daniels
You have misunderstood.

Pep (I was collecting the wayward women.)


Oh. In that case, keep your donations. :p
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11-30-2009 14:08
From: Kaimi Kyomoon
There seem to be quite a few here who find the Forum Pep Persona less than endearing. If bringing out the worst in others is indeed one of your goals - and I have trouble imagining that it isn't - you have not been entirely unsuccessful.
I can't force anybody here to do anything, but it seems what I say here encourages people to reveal their real selves. I have been astonished at the extent to which people appear unable to control their emotions in an uncivilised fashion, and I have been even more astonished at the lack of remorse or regret they appear to have.

Pep (Isn't the truth awful sometimes?)
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11-30-2009 14:09
From: Treasure Ballinger
Oh. In that case, keep your donations. :p
Oh, I don't intend to *keep* the wayward women . . .

Pep ( . . . in any sense of the word.)
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11-30-2009 14:14
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Oh, I don't intend to *keep* the wayward women . . .

Pep ( . . . in any sense of the word.)


Well just out of curiosity's sake what do you plan to do with them now you've collected them?
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11-30-2009 14:22
From: Treasure Ballinger
Well just out of curiosity's sake what do you plan to do with them now you've collected them?
As with most things, after use I return them to where I found them.

Pep (It is a habit I encourage in others.)
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11-30-2009 14:23
From: Pserendipity Daniels
As with most things, after use I return them to where I found them.

Pep (It is a habit I encourage in others.)


"Take only pictures...leave only...uh...EWWW.
Kaimi Kyomoon
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11-30-2009 15:38
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I can't force anybody here to do anything, but it seems what I say here encourages people to reveal their real selves. I have been astonished at the extent to which people appear unable to control their emotions in an uncivilised fashion, and I have been even more astonished at the lack of remorse or regret they appear to have.

Pep (Isn't the truth awful sometimes?)
You are much more easily astonished than I. The truth certainly is extremely unpleasant sometimes, and at other times extremely pleasant and everything in between. Can't have light without shadows, enjoy eating without being hungry, blah blah blah, etc.

It seems to me that one of the real or imagined purposes of my life is seeking truth, along with learning humility and eating as much chocolate as I possibly can.
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11-30-2009 16:49
From: Pserendipity Daniels
PPS I am not sure that Melita woman is entirely trustworthy either; anyone that wants to facilitate the distribution of free commodities to needy noobs must either be a saint or using it as a front for some racket, I reckon.


LOL!

(This was added in later; I'd have missed it had Treasure not quoted it.)

Well, it isn't a racket, that's all I can tell you. Lol.

& thanks Treasure. :)

(Saints require three miracles. My first will be...lag. You'll all know when I'm done because you will race across the grid with one step...whooosh!)

;-)
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11-30-2009 17:24
From: Melita Magic
Kidd, aren't you the one assuming...everything?

I am going by what I see here. I assume nothing beyond that.

(You can't have it both ways, by the way. I was responding to YOUR assertion that there was much more to come.)

I never asserted there was much more to come. I asserted that there could be.

Your logic is flawed. There's a difference between not assuming anything that's not presented here and assuming that nothing exists unless it's presented here.
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11-30-2009 17:33
From: Melita Magic
(Saints require three miracles. My first will be...lag. You'll all know when I'm done because you will race across the grid with one step...whooosh!)
I do that all the time now--but then, suddenly, I snap back to where I started from....
Kaimi Kyomoon
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11-30-2009 18:25
From: Esquievel Easterwood
I do that all the time now--but then, suddenly, I snap back to where I started from....
Melita's a third of the way there already.
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11-30-2009 19:34
LOL Kaimi! :)

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From: Kidd Krasner
I never asserted there was much more to come. I asserted that there could be.


I didn't say "assert" I said "assumed." Not only did you project your interpretation into the OP's query, but you go after me for being 'wrong' when you know no such thing.

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Your logic is flawed. There's a difference between not assuming anything that's not presented here and assuming that nothing exists unless it's presented here.


Can I have some of what you've been smoking? You do not even make any sense.

And for the record...here is what the OP actually asked, again:

From: someone
We would like to ask you, if you consciously follow certain rules or specific manners or etiquettes in SL?


So what "certain" rules are we to "assume" they mean, for a start? Before we can say whether we "consciously" follow them, don't we need to know what those are?

And which "specific manners or etiquettes" do they mean, as well?

The question is so completely vague as to be - not quite meaningless I guess, since people can read into it whatever they wish - but hardly scientific since that would mean comparing responses against something, well, specific. One can't just SAY the word "specific" and think it means anything.

And now I am done with this back and forth because it is giving me a specific pain in the kiester.
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11-30-2009 19:42
In case nobody has asked this yet (since I don't want to read through 3 pages +), I want to know who "we" are?
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11-30-2009 19:45
From: Czari Zenovka
In case nobody has asked this yet (since I don't want to read through 3 pages +), I want to know who "we" are?


But Czari...that's part of the scientific data that we are all to assume is still to come. ;p

(I assume "they" are velociraptors from outer space.)
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11-30-2009 21:42
From: Irie Baddingham
Hi everyone,
we are students of social anthropology and we're working on a research project concerning nettiquette in SL.
We would like to ask you, if you consciously follow certain rules or specific manners or etiquettes in SL?
We are especially interested in rules, which are not written in the terms of agreement of Linden Labs.
Thank you for your inputs!
- cu in SL -


Oh yes we have netiquette here in SL. Things like don't friend people without talking to them first. I don't think that's written down anywhere but most people in SL think that's rude. Pushing people by walking into them is also considered rude. Jumping onto the blue poseball when you see a couple moving toward a poseball set. That's rude too. These are all specific to SL.
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11-30-2009 22:50
From: Melita Magic

I didn't say "assert" I said "assumed."

Actually, you did:
From: Melita Magic
Kidd, ...
(....I was responding to YOUR assertion ....)


Continuing:
From: someone

Can I have some of what you've been smoking? You do not even make any sense.

Which part don't you understand?


From: someone

So what "certain" rules are we to "assume" they mean, for a start? Before we can say whether we "consciously" follow them, don't we need to know what those are?

No, they're asking us to identify the rules. If you can't think of any, fine, that's your answer. Other people may come up with other answers. For example, from previous threads in this forum, it's clear that some people believe that friendship shouldn't be offered without first getting to know the person.

From: someone

And which "specific manners or etiquettes" do they mean, as well?

Again, that's what they're asking. The question is clear, even if the answer isn't.

From: someone

The question is so completely vague as to be - not quite meaningless I guess, since people can read into it whatever they wish - but hardly scientific since that would mean comparing responses against something, well, specific. One can't just SAY the word "specific" and think it means anything.

Who said anything about comparing responses? Or what sort of comparison are you expecting?

I think you have an overly constrained view of the way certain forms of research take place. Research doesn't always begin with a precisely defined hypothesis to be proved or disproved, although it may intend to get there. Some stages of research are used purely to gather raw information and build initial models, without trying to draw any conclusions.

Or let me put it this way: If you're going to say that it's unscientific, you'll have to be a bit more scientific in your approach to proving it. What precisely is unscientific about it? Their sample space? Their model (which probably doesn't exist yet)? Their conclusions (which clearly don't exist yet)? The reliability of their questions (which isn't always necessary)?
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12-01-2009 00:51
From: Czari Zenovka
In case nobody has asked this yet (since I don't want to read through 3 pages +), I want to know who "we" are?


"We" are us, as distinct from them, Czari.
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12-01-2009 02:21
From: Melita Magic
LOL!

(This was added in later; I'd have missed it had Treasure not quoted it.)

Well, it isn't a racket, that's all I can tell you. Lol.

& thanks Treasure. :)

(Saints require three miracles. My first will be...lag. You'll all know when I'm done because you will race across the grid with one step...whooosh!)

;-)


Will you by any chance be opening a nunnery? I can think of a few candidates that could use a stint there to reflect upon their choices. I believe Caledon was considering sponsoring one recently.
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12-01-2009 02:36
My teenage daughter had to visit the hospital the other day and when she was checking in she was asked her religion. She said that she wasn't particularly religious, so the nurse asked if she should put down "none", to which my daughter replied that actually she wanted to be a vet.

Pep (I had to intervene before they both became *really* confused.)
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12-01-2009 03:58
From: Laurin Sorbet
Will you by any chance be opening a nunnery? I can think of a few candidates that could use a stint there to reflect upon their choices. I believe Caledon was considering sponsoring one recently.


I understood that this was a certainty - I've already done the walk with hands in sleeves and the kneel praying pose. Now don't say it's been cancelled!
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12-01-2009 04:21
From: Deira Llanfair
I understood that this was a certainty - I've already done the walk with hands in sleeves and the kneel praying pose. Now don't say it's been cancelled!


I believe it to be a needed inevitability.

pst, Dearsie, I am just trying to get this Mellita involved. Apparently she has some benevolent project to help new citizens. She'll be kept so busy with that noobfoolery and be churning out requisitions and pleas for additional nuns at such a rate that Desmond won't have time to notice what *we* are getting up to at our embroidery evenings.
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12-01-2009 06:16
From: Laurin Sorbet
I believe it to be a needed inevitability.

pst, Dearsie, I am just trying to get this Mellita involved. Apparently she has some benevolent project to help new citizens. She'll be kept so busy with that noobfoolery and be churning out requisitions and pleas for additional nuns at such a rate that Desmond won't have time to notice what *we* are getting up to at our embroidery evenings.



Very good point - at least _we_ remember our SL netiquette (the prime purpose of which is to give a correct appearance to our activities at all times). Melita will need a 24 hour rota of volunteers.

I was just feeling a little put out beause is is very difficult to get this work looking ok - what with different arm lengths and shoulder widths. Any movement that involves bringing the hands together can be problematical. I'll start the embroidery one next ...wink, wink.
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