Avatar discrimination

You did not specify that you were responding to the OP. That isn't a given in board formats such as this one.

Lot of good posts here but this was a standout.

First of all - Boxy, you are welcome at my place any time. Anyone is, so long as they follow my rules, which most do not read. Lol. (Just don't be offended if someone tries to sit on you.)

This is more analagous to not being admitted or being given a bad table based upon dress (since it's something that *can* be changed, no matter how one feels it might be an aspect of one's psyche/creative/personal expression...it is not an absolute by birth the way...well, what Dagmar said.)

I once went to a very 'in' restaurant the stars go to - with someone who chose to wear a lookalike to the Seinfeld 'puffy shirt.' Y'know, I had always said I wouldn't be one of 'those women' who tell their man what to wear...We went in and were seated but suddenly someone dour looking came up and told us we were being 'reseated.' We were unceremoniously shown to the dank corner roomlet. I looked around...it was fashion hell in there. I realised we were put in with 'the tourists.' (gasp) I could've cared less, *if* we'd been put there first of all: we were just hungry and wanted to eat. I don't care about 'table politics' the food tastes the same anywhere. My date had wanted a good steak and that was the nearest and best place. Anyhow, the way it was done - *absolutely no* effort on their part to be discreet - insulted my sense of dignity so - we left. And went to a diner. Did I sue? No, that was their business and they had a no Seinfeld Shirt policy apparently.

Interesting topic though. Why can't research students be this creative in their thread writing as the OP here?

He had a stake in what he was asking. The students generally don't. One who was different and interesting was here:

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I think she is still looking to interview people. Inworld.

Ah. I remember that thread. I meant to give her a buzz. Thanks for the reminder!

And well put. Their disinterest shows in their dull as dishwater threads. And lack of follow-up (in the forums at least.) Most read like kids wanting us to do their homework. Or their research shows a blaring lack of knowledge of SL, and its residents. Or is wayyy too vague to know how to reply to.

I really don't think we want to get into teabagging here...

Oh boy, if it had been SWMBO and I there would have been fireworks.

people who discriminate against other odd looking avatars or furry avatars have problems wiht accepting things that THEY CAN NOT CHANGE! and yet thats why they push those rules. its not your fault it their fault. if they can't deal with it then that's THEIR problem. i say F***k them all. if they can't like me for who i am then they must be as shallow IRL as the must be ISL.

But do we ever liek someone for "who they are"? I mean maybe you arent giving them a chance to explain why they dont liek you. It takes time and effort doesnt it? I cant get to grips liking anyone until I've taken them apart and know as much as I can about them.

i have several different avatars ranging from a tiny siamese cat to a hulking cyberman. but when i am invited to a place i am not familiar with, i "dress" appropriately. in those cases it is not about my SL, but theirs. as a guest i will put on the human ava until it is appropriate to not do so.

It may not be nice, but yes, it's morally acceptable. It's THEIR LAND. They pay the money, they get to make the rules. Sure it's discrimination, by the exact definition of the word, and so what? They can admit anyone or no one, eject or ban anyone they please. You want a place that's accepting of cardboard boxes, buy your own land, my rectangular friend.

By the way, there is a nice articulated cardboard Boxbot avatar in your Library. It's one of the basic starter avatars. Wear that and you'll be able to do more cool dance moves.

Just because someone is paying for the right to be a jerk... that doesn't make them less of a jerk.

Agreed. It's why I don't go to Frank's any more...I don't like their dress code or the way they enforce it.

But my point is that they're free to be a jerk, because they ARE paying for that right. I don't have to like it, or go there, but it's their privilege. Most of all, there are no societal restrictions or anti-discrimination laws that apply.

As for me, my land has no restrictions. Man, woman, furry, or cardboard box, all are welcome. Unless you prove to be a jerk.

I don't think that's related to the fact that it's their property. It's because in SL there are very few societal restrictions and no anti-discrimination laws, period. If it was their property in RL they would have all kinds of restrictions on what kind of jerkiness they could get away with.

That's getting close to - It's morally acceptable because it isn't against the law.

On the particular issue:

I once went to an art gallery opening as a Grendel's Tiger - quadruped.
Nobody seemed to notice a tiger in the room. I should have gone as an elephant.

However, if the organisers had said to me something like "We're trying to RP a RL gallery here." I'd have departed/changed no problem. Even if they had ejected me, I wouldn't have got into a huff about it,

No, they wouldn't.

If I want to run a business in RL, then yes, there are those restrictions. But I can still be a prejudiced, discriminatory jerk on my private property.

Hey, you cardboard boxes! Git offa my lawn!

But if you run a business in SL you can refuse service to all the boxbots you want.

There are plenty of places to go as a box and not get greif.This is one of them.



see you don't stand out at all.

"They'll have to wait outside"
"Huh?"
"Your boxes. We don't serve their kind here."

I fancy the one in the pale blue hoops. Could you arrange an introduction for me, Blot?

There are several businesses in my neighborhood where they will not serve people who are talking on their cell phone.

There is a gym near my house that is open only to women.

I think all bars have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

(I'm talking RL, btw.)

I think you could probably safely refuse service to people dressed as cardboard boxes in RL, too.

A business that is open to the public has to show a legitimate business concern to refuse service. They may not arbitrarily refuse to serve people. Refusing to serve someone who is yapping on their cell phone may be a legitimate reason. Sooner or later a troublemaker will sue them over it and we'll find out.

The gym is probably a private club and not open to the public.