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Argent Stonecutter
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04-23-2009 17:00
From: Qie Niangao
I just don't see any architectural virtue in a bot script pulling land-for-sale search packets, nor pushing teleports around the grid to buy land, when the transactions just have no 3D context at all.
What the flock are you talking about?

I'm talking about "here I am in a 3d world, and I want to transfer a 16m parcel from one group to another, so I xelect it, sell it to myself, buy it from the other group, DONE". That's a frikken 3d transaction in a frikken 3d world.

If they MOVE land sales to the web that becomes some kind of frikken nightmare of logging in to a website and faffing around with an eBay auction system to select the parcel and whatever else is involved.

Or didn't you catch the "MOVE" part?
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04-23-2009 17:04
Is it me or is LL actually making an attempt to govern the land they are repsonsible for governing, a job which they have pretty much ignored for the last 6 years? Don't wanna get my hopes up but it is seeming to me, just slightly, in a round about way, that they actually give a sh*t!

That's cool.
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Talarus Luan
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04-23-2009 17:08
From: Jesse Barnett
Phil, no matter what else, you have gained friends here in the forum because of the bots. We don't all agree with every view held but you have never been afraid of speaking your mind. We will just have to find some other something to argue about now ;)


Enemies, too.

But, then again, that is the nature of any controversial subject and participating about it publicly.
Tabliopa Underwood
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04-23-2009 17:20
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
I think it's pretty clear they'll just pick on people who are in the top few hundred of the Places search. Half a dozen bots isn't going to do crap for you and won't be enough for anyone to care about. Once you get up to silly numbers, 20, 30, 40 then you'll start to stick out and get hammered down. Well anyway, that's my guess.
Pretty much yes thats how it will go.

I also think that mainland abusers with less than full sims will be more strictly dealt with than full and private sim owners. If only because any bots they do have are directly affecting the other tier-paying residents on the sim.

The best thing I take out of this is that LL are going to actively monitor bot use. As they are now doing with landcutting and inworld advertising on the mainland. And not just rely on the AR system before they act to enforce their own ToS. This a major improvement in attitude and an acknowledgement that they have a responsibility to us their customers to do so. Is all good.
Dilbert Dilweg
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04-23-2009 17:29
Wow I now have an anti bot boner.

This is the best news I have heard in a long time
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04-23-2009 17:35
Is there a poll yet for betting on what concurrency settles out at in a post-traffic bot SL?
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04-23-2009 17:37
From: Isablan Neva
Is there a poll yet for betting on what concurrency settles out at in a post-traffic bot SL?


that is going to me very interesting to see.
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Qie Niangao
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04-23-2009 17:41
From: Argent Stonecutter
What the flock are you talking about?

I'm talking about "here I am in a 3d world, and I want to transfer a 16m parcel from one group to another, so I xelect it, sell it to myself, buy it from the other group, DONE". That's a frikken 3d transaction in a frikken 3d world.

If they MOVE land sales to the web that becomes some kind of frikken nightmare of logging in to a website and faffing around with an eBay auction system to select the parcel and whatever else is involved.

Or didn't you catch the "MOVE" part?
I didn't take it seriously. I couldn't imagine that they'd actually remove the in-world land transactions, just because they made it available on the web, too. If that's really what they have in mind, yeah, very bad idea.

If they build a "transfer parcel" feature that doesn't require separate sale and purchase (as between groups), and make it accessible either by web or in-world, I see it as a win. (And again, yes, only by web would be a step backwards.)

I meant "no 3D context" to refer to landbots: if automated land purchase and sale is going to happen, I just don't see the point of having the automation jump through all the hoops and overhead of an in-world session complete with teleports. It's not as if the bots will enjoy the view.
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04-23-2009 17:41
From: Sarah78 Alsop
Oh dear, the owner of Platinum Skins won't like this. I guess that's a few of her gaming tactics scuppered. She still has plenty left though.


You broke the rules there
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-23-2009 17:42
From: BustyDustee Sideshow
I have three store bots that model my clothes and customers implants. They are clearly labeled as such.
Theres no mistake what they are. bdbot5000cc for Implant nations boobs, bdbot7500cc for ECORP and bdbot9000cc who represents FoxBean Labratories (the 5/7/9000 cc refers to implant sizes that the breast enhancement community uses and knows.)

There are times I log in to just pose too. Its rather fun. And I have actually scared people I think by jumping off and going boo when they least expect it. So they are entertaining to me as well as a sales tool.


hahahahhah =) Ive had that happen to me sometimes when Ive been inspecting an instore model up close. lol =) Nearly frightened the life out of me the first time it happened. Im a bit more aware now =)

I dont mind instore models at all. They work really well for me at times. Can examine a skin closely knowing how it will exactly look inworld for instance. Also to, Ive bought outfits that flow really well inworld because I saw it on an animated modelling bot. Bots are ok as models in this sense I think.

I do prefer though operator models (sales assistants) who readily and happily answer questions knowledgeably from prospective customers about the clothes and accessories they are modelling.

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Huge bot lots in boxes though is just stupid.
Absolutely.
Phil Deakins
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04-23-2009 17:46
From: Isablan Neva
Is there a poll yet for betting on what concurrency settles out at in a post-traffic bot SL?
The way it's been set up, I don't see it making the huge difference that it would have made had LL wanted ARs about traffic bot use. It sounds more like a gradual process to me. And, of course, quite a number of the pure traffic bots will be given other tasks to turn them into "good bots".
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-23-2009 17:49
From: Phil Deakins
I am :) I hate to think what they'll do when i tell them they are sacked :eek:
Maybe they will stage a sit-in protest =p =)
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04-23-2009 18:07
Phil, if they are legitimate models, or some other such use, there is no reason why you can't employ them as you always have.
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Isablan Neva
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04-23-2009 18:08
From: Phil Deakins
The way it's been set up, I don't see it making the huge difference that it would have made had LL wanted ARs about traffic bot use. It sounds more like a gradual process to me. And, of course, quite a number of the pure traffic bots will be given other tasks to turn them into "good bots".




I'd bet, though, that half of them go away entirely. The game for those with "task bots" will be staying under the radar of realistic traffic. I'd guess a 50% reduction in bot usage, what that translates out to for concurrency will be revealing.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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04-23-2009 18:10
From: Isablan Neva
Is there a poll yet for betting on what concurrency settles out at in a post-traffic bot SL?


I'll wager. Ballpark count online now - 70,000.

35,000 of those are bots. 15,000 are store owner alts camping, or window washing. Actual Users 20,000.

During the course of 6 months....half of the 35,000 might get busted. (optimistically)
17,500 bots left. 15,000 store owner alts camping, still in place.

The 17,500 that got busted...revert to alt camping and window washing. Now 17,500 bots in line to be busted.....and 32,500 store owner alts camping and window washing.

70,000 reported online....20,000 actual users. Works out fine.

ooops...forgot about about half of the ones that got busted coming back as a new user (or same user)....setting up the bot camp again....maybe less obvious.....spread those guys out....and milking it for a few months while the ones next in line get busted.....waiting their turn again.....which makes.....

78,750 online.....20,000 actual users. Much Better.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-23-2009 18:23
How do you distinguish bots that are intended to attract people by being green dots on the map from bots being used to boost search ranking by increasing traffic?
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04-23-2009 18:27
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Tabliopa Underwood
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04-23-2009 18:28
From: Mickey Vandeverre
.20,000 actual users.
Is a conjecture and is ok that you do this. Taking this conjecture as a given though means that 1.0-1.5% of all actual users visit my place everyday. I simply find this figure difficult to reconcile with my own inworld experience.
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04-23-2009 18:37
Will people be getting their bots verified to use on the Adult continent?
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Felix Oxide
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04-23-2009 18:39
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Will people be getting their bots verified to use on the Adult continent?
And how many will be allowed to be owned by the same account?
SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-23-2009 18:46
I know we are only supposed to want stability and performance improvements these days but I'm longing for some COOL FUN NEW FEATURES personally. I can't make a good case for them being worked on, my wants not seeming to be something the world cares much about, but I'd really like the new features we get to be something more fun than bot bans and content segregation.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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04-23-2009 19:38
From: Phil Deakins
I don't see any problem with that. I've had 6 functional model bots in my store for a long time, and they are staying. People make use of them for seeing the animations before deciding whether or not to buy. It's the same with clothes models. people use them to see what the clothes look like when worn - very functional and good.

That was one of my arguments in this forum against a simple ban on traffic bots. If the bots disappeared overnight, those models would give me a very good start on probably everybody else in my field.


however folks using bots as models and such, they can tag them as a bot, thus not show up in the traffic results (eventually according to the blog post)

so yeah sure, have all the bots you want, to model furniture, clothes, wash windows etc, just flag them as a bot first.

(simple solution there I would think, if someone really wants to use the bot as a model etc and not to game traffic scores, then they will have no problems tagging the bot as a bot)
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04-23-2009 20:39
From: Isablan Neva
Is there a poll yet for betting on what concurrency settles out at in a post-traffic bot SL?


More interesting is a betting on the traffic around mid-July

1) Traffic gaming policy
2) Adult verification policy
3) 2nd phase of tier hikes ofr Homesteads to $125 p/mth
4) Summer ie.holidays, people spend more time outdoors

i'll tip it to be 58k on Sunday 12th July (2pm PDT -week's peak login period)
SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-23-2009 20:54
Is it ok to have some bots around just to try to give yourself the impression you have some friends?
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04-23-2009 21:03
"making friends" means something else entirely. well, perhaps just "partially".
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