Reputation System

Why not?

Exactly, why would someone would give a negative to someone.. who knows someone may be/have something really good most of the time and may have ONE bad day or whatever. How can you tell that?

I bet some immature people team(s) will do for fun. Neg neg neg neg on some person who had highest ratings to make a person look real bad, and so on... You know there are many people out there are really smart..that always make other people look really bad, etc... that is why that Ratings is dumb.

What if ratings weren't handled by the computer, but a groupd of (Lindens) who would recieve emails "this person is good/bad, reason" and if the reason is convincing, the rating gets changed. A neg rating would be inflicted only a the result of abuse reports.

Just an idea. Probably never implemented, but certainly abuse free.

Sound like good idea but hard to tell because some people may have many friends.. like a team that will report on one good person. Are they telling the truth? 30 people against one person. No fun. I prefer NO ratings at all. If problem, one linden should be spy and see if they are telling the truth or not. If so, then there is something with that devil one or mafia-wannabe team. Prove is the best than rate

Unfortunately there aren't enough Lindens to handle the current level of griefing, let alone read player focused hate/fan mail.

ever seen the respect meter in Grand Theft Auto 2? Try a version of that.

IMO, it wouldn't be "crashed my private island, -1 behaviour" "is a terific friend, wonderful scripter, always helps" x 30 = +30 behavior
It'd be "crashed my private island, -100 behavior"



Hence, "never be implemented."

There was one thing I was pondering about the rating bonus... what if it were reinstated, but in such a way that it the money awarded was less than the amount that is spent giving a rating? Sure it would weaken the ratings system as a sink, but it would reward members who are given positive feedback from others and perhaps encourage other people to give ratings because they will seem more meaningful than the mostly ignored values that are there now.

As an example... with the rating fee of L$25, somewhere between L$5 and L$10 could be taken out as proceeds towards the weekly bonus. Now, if this encourages people to try to earn those bonuses from strangers, it can also lead to a generally nicer populace and improve the ratings system itself as a sink by increasing the number of ratings given out. Now wouldn't this be a good thing for the society, economy, and the happiness of both members and staff of Second Life?

Now, if the ratings system were to be revamped, what are you going to do with the old ratings and the people that poured good money into it already? Might I suggest that some compensation be offered to the people that gave ratings to the earlier system based on the value of the old ratings before those values become discarded. The elegant thing about this is that the members who get the most will be using the ones who used the ratings system the most. Assuming they haven't lost their generosity, that money will simply go back into the ratings again and feed the cycle.

I know, some of you older members would feel a little empty without your ratings numbers, but if they are part of a system that was broken, they aren't accurate ratings anymore. Just see this as a chance to revisit old friends and give each other your positive ratings again.

Edit: A note about the reimbursement process: Obviously giving it all out at once would be just as wise as flooding the economy with more cash, since any such payout (even at 1 linden$ per rating) would be pretty staggering. Such a reimbursement would have to be doled out gradually, like at most L$50 per week.

Ok I have no clue as to who is still reading these posts or if anyone heeds them. But here goes, we (my wife and I) have been in Sl for almost a year now we pretty well live inworld just love it, thank you to Linden Labs for creating it. But now down to the nitty gritty, the removal of the rating system IMO was not a good idea yet the reward for rating someone did not make sence either to pay you for rating someone. would not the reward be receiving positive ratings and any bonus that comes from having better ratings? So the incentive to rate someone is they will rate you hopefully. Now to me that seems right futhermore for me as a sim owner I used to rely on the ratings system to judg a person before I would hire them to do simple work or scripting etc... now it just a friggen shot in the dark. Since the rating system was changed I don't think anyone has been rating ppl short of those of us who have been here for a while and rely on these tools for other than a mere quick buck or two.

As in life we earn our respect and positions in life through hard work and diligence not buying ratings from others just to get a better wage packet, if only

I for one would be happy to see the present sytem be scrapped and not linked to Stipends but retain a ratings sytem based on contributions to SL etc. rather than let it become a meaningless sytem because it is used mainly by people that want to get a higher stipend, if people rate me then it is because i have earnt it in their eyes and i do not automatically return the favour unless they have earnt it, however if i get the chance i tell them not to bother as why pay LLs L$25 a rating

If its got to stay unlink it from stipends, as in life let people earn it for their deeds rather than for the extra lindens and dont charge us to rate someone

Just my 2pence worth.

Some possibly scattered thoughts...

What I have first and foremost in SL is my reputation and I'm not talking about the little + numbers in my profile. I'm either a person of integrity, compassion, amiability, etc, or I'm not. This is something that I try to guard and keep sterling as much as possible (PMS and other general moodiness not withstanding ).

To me, the ratings system should *not* be tied to any sort of financial reward. Have a page somewhere with everyone's rank if you want or something, but don't pay me for it.

Let the ratings system hope to reflect: my honesty, how personable I am, etc; my skills in SL, namely can I build well, create textures well, script well or design clothes well (and whatever other categories you choose to segment). Right now, only 'build' is an option to rate. What do you do when you want to tell the world that Simone Stern makes great clothes??? (I mean aside from buying them and wearing them and hoping someone asks where you got it from so you can sing her praises).

Someone mentioned only allowing your 'friends' to rate you. Hmmm. How exactly does this allow someone visiting one of your builds rate that you're a great builder? or that you helped figure something out or stopped to answer questions for rate you as 'friendly and personable'? Besides, I know *my* friends would just blanket positively rate me. Where's the integrity in that system?

If we're going to have a ratings sytem, I for one would like to see it be something more like 1-5 Lindens to rate someone positively and add to their little + ratings, I also think you should be able to rate a builder's skill or a texture maker's skill or a clothing designer's skill from their profile. Probably their helpfulness too, since I've had many very helpful interactions solely by IM with no way to 'rate' them. Hmmm.

As for negative ratings. To help counter folks just getting mad and blanket negative rating you, maybe it should be 'expensive' and preferably also time consuming to rate negatively so that people have to really feel its justified to take both the time and the Lindens to do it. Just a thought.

It would be nice if my little + numbers grew as my skill and presence in SL grew, but if they disappeared off the face of the earth it wouldn't particularly bother me either.

I wasn't around in business long enough before negative ratings went away to suffer the injustice of a false negative rating but I'm sure I'd be disheartened by it so I can't say I miss this ability any.

Char

I think there should be positive rating as it is but free, don't see why it should cost to rate someone positively. No negative rating by residents because is only leads to revenge ratings. I would also like to see some sort of abuse report info on residents. Like have they been reported for stealing textures, ideas or shooting someone? Of course this could not be automatic as people then could use it as negative rating. Someone would have to investigate, a Linden employee, and if the report is valid a point would be added to the visible Negative Feedback not showing who or what exactly it was for, just what category it would fall under. e.g. copyright complaint, violance complaint and what ever else you get complains about. To file a report could cost to pay for the investigating time. I'm sure people wouldn't mind paying to file such a report as it would help the community to stop the ongoing theft and griefing in SL. It would also make people think, before they act. Negative feedback Complaints could cost differently depending on the type of complaint as some things are harder to investigate. e.g. Violance Complaint L$ 1000 Copyright Complaint L$ 5000 or even more if needed, whatever it takes. oh and no you should not be paid for having a lot of good ratings.

After trying to read at least a good few of these thirtysomething pages, I have come to a couple convincing conclusions…

1. Who approves of you is more important than how many people approve of you. As such, it seems we should facilitate the ability to advertise that a certain person has given their mark of approval. This would allow people to easily collect together and form their own 'better business bureaus' of various categories.
   
2. Some form of downvoting or complaint system may be feasible if restrained to customers. That way, in order to file L$100 worth of a complaint on someone, you'd have to be paying that same person L$100 (something griefers would probably be unlikely to do).
   

This game should not be based on ratings no one does it anymore it is way to expensive the purpose of doing the one linden for it i think is to get people out and about meeting new people by going to events and such. it was great but when the lindens decided that cost was more important than purpose that did in the rating system
and why should a game i pay big bucks for be based on ratings. does that mean that i cant play if i dont get ratings? does that mean i am a bad person if i dont get ratings?
no means neither it means i dont get out much to get them and that it cost to much to rate for anyone to rate anyone
so i say Robin might be a good idea to drop the raiting system totally once and for all. seldom does anyone use it and its way to expensive and not right to judge a person all on the count of ones opinion.

In an ideal world, I'd suggest a system based on 'friends'. That is, instead of rating people, you can simply see who their friends are. Yes, this lets you judge them based on the company they keep, but really, that is a very effective way of finding out who the good people are.

Privacy concerns make this rather unusable though.... unless you give everyone an option in preferences: "show me by name on other peoples' PUBLIC friend lists : yes by name, yes by age, yes as anonymous, no".

Lets move away from 'ratings'... lets move towards measuring how 'connected' someone is in the community. If we can measure that, we can measure how much they have tied up in their account, and statistically - being very tied up in the community is a good way of showing one has good intentions.

Not really, since for many of us the so called friends list is full of people we need to keep track of for business or other reasons. As a mentor I have dozens of people who I look into once in a while......some of them may have come out OK, while others may be annoying the hell out of the community or worse. While other may have employers that want to track you down or employees that they want to keep track of. Also a lot of people will not decline a friendship since they don't want to offend. Many of us later delete these "friends" if it's not being used.