Reputation System

Any new system that gets released will be figured out and taken advantage of just as the current one. I suggest keeping the current system and just getting rid of neg ratings. I personally like the bonus. I dont have anyway of makin money, except the weekly stipend and bonus. People are worried that people just go around to get ratings for the bonus, well just put a cap on the amount any one person can receive. The system isnt broke its just the way the people use it. None of the suggestions are right cause, eventually they'll end up the same way as the current one. Givin out awards is terrible, the Lindens can do that with the current system. And having people vote or some kind of thing like that is terrible, because people with a large social network, can take advantage of that. What about us people that play for a hour a two , every other day, and chill wit the same people. How are any of these suggested systems, really gonna benefit us. These suggested systems only benefit people with large social networks. DONT CHANGE IT.

I think it's an excellent idea, the Neg Rating HAS to go. I think a behavioral system would be a lot better. i.e the more you build the more building points you get the more you host the more hosting points you get and the more you script the more scripting points you get and I guess the more you talk to other people the more social points you get..

However I don't think really think that it should be linked to getting more money. Because then people would find ways to cheat. People who hosts events get their bonus in Dwell
bonuses so I think all those funds should go to the Dwell Bonuses instead.

I have read the post and there are alot of good ideas out there. I agree that the rating system is flawed and the only purpose it seems to serve is sttached to weekly stipend. I am one of those who likes my stipend and do need it I dont build anything and dont own land yet. I would like to see that it just becomes a higher fixed stipend tho. personaly I dont check out someones ratings at all. I meat ppl and talk to them and like them or not but dont really care what other ppl think. so I dont really see why a high or low rating really matters.

I dont want to be poor tho so until they come up with a highter stipend I guess I vote to stick with the system we have.

Just my two cents worth (canadian curency)

i'm new, and didn't read the thread. (i skimmed a few messages).

i like being able to give positive and negative ratings.

i agree that they work very well as a social tool ( i've met a number of people because i used it ).

i guess its cool that some people have never given out a negative. i've given out a few. i may take some of them back. but i find the ability to give someone a visible note when they're taking liberties with my virtual person - throwing me in capture balls, pushing me around - far more effective than a "please stop" IM and far less troublesome than an abuse report. The ability to "return the favor" in a socially acceptable way is a big morale boost, at times. And one should expect to be rated negatively in return - such is life. Regarding being gang-negged, well, thats happened to me in real life too. It was called childhood. Another fact of life.

I know that some people want to live in a non-negative utopia. But the reality of life - 1st and 2nd, is that people don't always get along.

i think the positive and the negative need to be represented.

IMO

The same is true of real life, often enough. The ratings just aren't visible at your request.

Nah, scrap em.

In this (second) life I get by on my knowledge of the reputation of others... I can feel a person out by what everyone else says about them.

Looking at their ratings usually tells me (a) if they go to rating parties a lot or, (b) if they've come across a griefer lately...

The Rating System Is Totally Useless......get Rid Of It. The Weekly Stipend Needs To Stay Though. The Reason We Rate Is To Get A Higher Stipend. Alot Of Us Don't Build Or Script Or Earn A Living Making Lindens. Some Of Us Just Want To Hang Out & Meet New People.....we Are Not All Here For The Creative Side Of Sl. With Prices Of Things So High We Need A Way To Make Money. Rating Was The Way To Do It. But It's Not Fair That Someone Who Doesn't Even Know How To Rezz A Cube Should Have Such Wonderful Building Experience Rating. Instead Of Cutting The Stipend In Half Perhaps You Should Consider A Weekly Stipend Based Solely On Your Account......say 500 For Regular Account Holders & 1000 For Premium Account Holders. This Way Everybody Still Gets An Allowance To Spend, The Ratings Are Toast.....no More Rating Whores!!!!!

Ahem.

Been reading the forums at all today?

You tried to write that all in caps didn't you....

yes i did.......who knew




what else is there to do but read forums...it's enuff to give you an embolism
just putting in my 2 cents worth

Wow, good rant. I've said this before, but the purpose of ratings and rating bonuses are to encourage residents to act in a way that makes the game more appealing to other players, so that more people play the game and LL makes more money. Giving everyone a bigger stipend makes no sense. There is nothing fair about giving builders and partiers and nice guys bonus money and giving talentless hermits nothing, but it benefits LL by giving them a really cheap way to make the game more entertaining. Paying everyone the same amount won't do anything to motivate that kind of behavior or content creation.

That said, I think the three kinds of ratings are bunk. Builders can already get extra income by selling their stuff, and appearance is silly because you have no idea if someone made their own avatar or bought it or got it as a gift. And ratings bonuses are no borked it's not even funny. Players who have been around long enough to get huge ratings get the big bonuses, and newbies will never be able to catch up. The system is too easy to game and mess up. So your rant is justified, but if we're going to fix things we need to come up with an alternative that lets LL motivate positive contributions to the game, and a way for people to be able to tell if someone has made good or bad contributions.

Perhaps the building rating could only be given by selecting an object, not the avatar.

You are right, though, there is not much point in appearance vs. behavior.

eeee i'm a little late on this, but here I poseted something in the features forum, please take a look and comment! (there or here)

I made a suggestion to Philip Linden yesterday during an in-game chat that if he were to erase everyone's ratings and refund money back to everyone for ratings given out, that it would make the new $25L system more accurately reflect people's behaviours. Of course there is a few points to mention:

1) Some people would argue that "I've been here a long time! It's not fair that I'd start as the same level as 'noobs' again!". The answer to this is simple: If you've been here a long time, then you've had a long time to make a lot of friends willing to re-rate you at the more expensive price whereas a newer resident would have less friends willing to do that. So, no, you wouldn't be at the same level as a new resident for long.

2) Why refund the money for current ratings given? Well, because when we gave out those ratings, we thought they would at least count as something. We weren't just giving that money away to mean exactly nothing, so if current ratings were wiped then it would only be fair to refund that, otherwise it's essentially stolen money from us.

3) How about for building rating you actually have to rate that person THROUGH an object they built? Of course people could rez a cube and have people rate that, but it's still extra hassle they'd have to go through to get that rating, and quite a few people actually wouldn't think of it off the top of their heads. Another interesting consideration for this would be to require putting a certain amount of time on an object before people could rate the builder of it, making the 'rez a cube get a rating point' even more difficult.

4) If there was a rating wipe, the stip-end bonus tiers would have to be adjusted. Obviously you're not going to see many people with over +1000, or even +100 after a wipe with the new price, so it would only make sense to change the tiers a little bit.

It's apparent that the 25L system is here to stay for now, at least.. So we should be thinking up suggestions that work around that system for the time being.

I think 25L is too high of a price 5-10L would be sufficient. I mean if you have to think of all players because some are not that wealthy. The 25L should be maybe be charged if you want to negative another person's rating. 25 is just way to high


cheers

Damien

25L to rate, from the previous level of 1L seems excessive to me

Holy $#%*! !

I like the ideas of expanding the rating system... Making more categories would make it more interesting and worthwhile. Also adding a "comments" portion would be great. Please don't do away with the system... There are tons of ways we can balance it out.

Hi, I would like to put in my 2 pennys and maybe someone has already said it as I have read ALL the posts but most people talk about rating for L$ and having a history on a person, which are all reasons, but... ratings are also used to make friends, and it seems to get a bit overlooked. Most of the friends i have made here I have got through rating them with a silly message which led to a chuckle and a chat. It is a fun way of getting an intro and meeting people. What about rating builders, designers and scriptors with a $L25 rating as they run businesses. But introducing a personal rating .. simply this person is nice or not nice with a little comments field. Charge L$1 for the rating but don't give anything back. Someone said L$25 is excessive and I agree, you shouldn't charge for people to make friends or let the world know they are a nice person. For some of us it's not just about the Stipends or the numbers so please consider that also.

Thanks

Hugs
Jas x

Here's a random idea.

What if you (with a set limit of say 7L) could rate someone on different levels at different amounts.

You could rate someone up, say, 1 point for 7L 2 points for more etc.

Any ideas?

-BlueMan

what if you could rate the work and not the person then that will judge what the price of a item is.

realisticly the builders need to see whats we created is good or bad some time its very good but just dosent sell becuase of location

hello,

since SL is a game where poeple can be creative and build whatever they want - why not measuring the time other players have fun with someones item?

i think only creative people with new ideas should be given a bonus. they keep secondlife alife with their ideas so it wont get boring for anyone.

if you divide that number with the players L$ income, you could catch people who hand out things for free often


imho user-ratings are currently being abused only.

greetings,

sion

Changing ratings to cost L$25 each is entirely unacceptable. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. Due to this, I am quitting Second Life for good.

Thanks, Lindens!

Good idea!

I am late to the discussion as im just now seein this thread and this is actually my first time postin in forums hehe ANYWAY . . I spend alot of time in Ahern in the Welcome Area meetin new people and offerin help to newbies. I noticed thar right after the ratings changes took place people became alot less expressive and engaging when in large groups. I havent read through all the posts as there are so many and if this has been addressed i apologize for rehashing it. I am mentioning how quiet people have become because it was a dramatic change. Not a small change. It seems that without the incentive of ratings people were alot less likely to be outgoing or social. This is not good news for SL IMO as i have stated repeatedly that regardless of user created content, if you dont have engaing people in world to bring the game to life then there is simply "no soul in your machine" sorry guys i stand firmly behind that belief. Moreover, have you seen any newbie profiles lately? That should be a good gauge at how poorly the new ratings system works. If they are rated at all its usually by a sympathetic helper. I personally get several dozen ims each day from people commenting positively on my avatar. Guess how many of those people rated me? smirks ZERO and why do they admire my avatar enough to comment on it? Because i worked really hard to present an entertaining friendly character that people enjoy interacting with. And, since i have very little skill atm with photoshop (kinda a newbie here give me a break) and truthfully havent the time to make everything i wear, i was using my stipend bonus to build my Avatar that everyone enjoys soooo much. Guess what i know longer have that bonus so i am not sure i will be able to offer the quality of presence in game i had before. And, if i do i will have to be incredibly creative and resolved. Fine you say "then do it!" Ahhh but i say to you . .why should i do that? Isnt the creativity of my Avatar alone enough work? why must i spend countless hours on end in a painting program makin things when all i really wanted to do was dazzle em with a smile and keep them coming back for more. If you think for one tiny minute people like me are not useful in game youre so sadly mistaken. I know for a fact i directly influence the amount of time some people spend in game. Thats not arrogance . . just fact. So in my own way i help keep SL vital. Im not gonna let anyone, not even a Linden tell me differently. I know my worth. Youre gonna have to do something to fix this situation. Because if you dont people are gonna keep standin around looking confused and bored into a coma wondering what happened and why SL has become so unfun lately. Yeah theyll get desperate and start talking about pickles. Ask Torley . . oh but wait. Torley is one of the biggest supposrts of the changes. My bad . .

AVA! OH MY... NO WAY!!!

I am not a big supporter of the changes as a whole. I am UNHAPPY WITH THE STIPEND CUTS. Booo! *giggles a lil'* I have repeatedly said this in the Forums, my recent interview with Cristiano, etc.

I lurve the way you wrote about presenting yourself all friendly. It's a joy to see you in the Welcome Area. *hugs*

Who I DO have support for, though... are the Lindens.

I have technofaith for the long-term. What hurts now may heal later.