Anti-Bush signs

Maken Waves said
"I don't know if I am allowed to post the group name or it's members withought getting myself spanked by the Lindens"

You are you are correct your message would get edited.

I wonder if a new area could be created where all of the resident agree on the "zoning" regulations before being allowed to buy. These would also apply to any one that buys the land. Could a new continent be made for this purpose? Linden input requested.


I would like to see a strictly residential area. No sex clubs, stores, political messages, no large signs, natural type buildings, no snowmen or other pesky things. Depending on the level of interest perhaps like-minded people might be able to be group tougher. This will be good for the harmony of all.

Hi everyone,

Is there no reason why LL couldn't introduce a setting that can be turned on or off in our profiles to show or hide these signs? The signs would have to fall into a particular 'group' but if they did then I'm sure that would be a solution.

If you want to see the signs turn the setting on otherwise leave it off.

Personally, I hate the signs and wish we could have one hugh bonfire! I would pay good money to see that.


Lee

No - it's not! Are you incapable of seeing what is in front of your face? Ugly signs placed on 16 sq m plots which are vastly overpriced, so that the only way the affected landowner can get rid of them is to pay the very heavy price.

That is nothing to do with free speech. It is extortion, pure and simple.

IMO, LL should have stamped down on this right away. Showing weakness and inability to take tough decisions will only lead to more problems down the road.

Sooner or later they will have to do something with it, just like they had to take control over the forums a while ago when the personal attacks and trolling came out of hand.

I consider his actions trolling, with a financial bonus.

Actually, its SL not America. But I agree, these are extreme eyesores. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not. SL is many different countries, not just America, though LL is based here. As someone else said, what if those from other countries disagreed with their government, the Queens, Kings, Prime Ministers, and Presidents of their lands. I'm sure those of us in the USA would get tired quickly of seeing the political statements of those countries, as they are of ours. We are even tired of it. I recently saw the signs not far from my home and a very small piece of land that it is on, I forget the sq.m. was for sale at over 30,000L. I think something should be done about this, have your own opinion fine, but carry around the sign or wear it on a shirt, no one wants others opinions in their faces all the time. It gets annoying and whether it is SL or RL, we do have our own views, but I'm sure in RL this would not be allowed as long as it is in SL.

Side Note: He is more than likely enjoying himself more because though we dont' like it, he is getting alot of attention, which seems to be a big motive of his, look at the many threads he has caused and the time we are taking to post something, me included, after a few months of not commenting. Perhaps if we stop giving attention, like a bully in a classroom, he'll stop and go away.

ok folks lets face it, the SL servers are filled with tacky prefabs (no offense to the prefab makers), badly designed avatars, awful clothes, as well as poorly textured objects and buildings, and in some cases things that are not only unsightly but patently offensive to a lot of tastes. Now, I would probably jump for joy if a lot of these tacky builds were to disappear....at least for a second, then I would start wondering if the next thing I build is going to be removed. SL is a game, yes, but on the other hand the people that play it exist in the RL and its user content driven, which means that there really isn't a way to keep the real world out. And that's fine. If you want a total escape, try some mind altering drugs, or one of those games with big buff guys and lots of guns.

I agree that this is extortion! When I was looking for land to place my shop I found a perfect area beside a road and near a telehub. But it had one of these signs right behind it! The owner was even putting up another one as I looked at the land. I commented that I was hoping to place a shop there but it would be a big tower and the signs would be blocked.
I was perfectly polite about it and got a response akin to "Then I'll put them all over your store!" but using far less friendly words.

It's harassment and griefing, now I know why that land was so affordable and yet unoccupied!

Free speech be damned, his/her/its right to free speech died the moment they decided to start being aggressive towards people who didn't like the signs, and started FORCING their opninions on others.

Sure, freedom of speech is great, but only if it isn't infringing on other people's rights! They have the right to their opinion, and I have my right to be opposed to it, so I shouldn't have to have signs forced onto my store via surrounding plots, or abusive behaviour in general.

If it was me I would have warned this person and had their sorry excuse for extortion closed up for good if it continued!

While true, these tacky prefabs you mention are not bright blue and spinning a few dozen meters up in the air so that everyone in the sim can't help but see them and they are not littered in said manner in several hundred locations all across the grid, and they are not on plots of land being offered for sale at several hundred L$ per meter.

Nice try though.

So true... as offended as my US friends are, I can't help but think it's even more frustrating for the rest of us... we have to deal with this griefing... yet any 'political' message is wasted on us... we aren't voting in US elections...
But come on... we all know this has nothing to do with politics... it's pure extortion and harassment!
Kinda interesting that the person concerned should protest someone else's 'illegality' in such a morally corrupt manner... don'tcha think?

I said let them stay up.

For five long years we have heard people constantly bitch and complain about the President, why stop now?

Now you know how the other side feels.

huh? If these signs said anything else and the land was priced the same, I'm pretty sure most people would still be saying the same things. They are ugly, limit the number, land extortion, etc. etc.

I, for one, am in 1000% agreement with the sign's sentiment. But this is absolutely not about free speech or a political message, but rather pure harrassment and attempted extortion. That carries political allegiance for no one.

Perhaps, by some fluke of the Second Life Terms of Service, this "businessman" is not guilty of extortion. At least, not easily provable.

Not, at least, guilty of extorting other Second Life members.

But what about Linden Labs?

I do not own any land. I do not pay Linden Labs any monthly fee beyond my initial $10. However, I am interested in becoming a landowner at some point.

I have flown around the SL world and see this situation plainly. I don't need these forum discussions, polls, inworld complaint sessions, etc, to see what's going on.

And, as long as this situation remains unresolved, and the Lindens do not put measures into effect that prevent it from happening again, I will never become a landowner. I do not care to spend my money only to suffer headaches and turmoil due to this situation.

So, Linden Labs, this "Mr. Bush Sign" character is costing you at least one, documented, paying subscriber. How do you feel, now that YOUR business is being hurt?

A quote from terms of service....section 5.1 upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or any other form of solicitation;

Excuse me Mr Linden but isnt mr bush guys board "spam" and isnt he soliciting us to impeech bush? According to the TOS he is breaking the rules why dont you do something????????

according to the dictionary....

spam [ spam ]


noun (plural spams)

Definitions:
an unsolicited, often commercial, message transmitted through the Internet to a large number of recipients

on behalf of all the people who have posted complaints i respectivly demand some action be taken!!!!!
This message will be repeated in other parts of this forum if they remove it cause i am spamming they better remove his signs to

This is not how adults should behave. Now if a Democrat gets elected President next, he/she will not be very effective bing under attack from day one because of the bad treatment that was recieved on theirs.

The cycle of hate will continue. What one group of people see as good the other will see as bad. The cycle needs to be broken now. The name calling is being done by both sides.

Removal of these signs will be a good start. Will it afffect RL? probally not but it will remove a bad aspect of it from SL.

I wonder how people would react the same if I would place signs saying "I am disgusted of Balkenende".....


Oh, you don't know who Balkenende is? That is exactly my point. (He is the Dutch Prime-minister btw).

Morwen.

Is today the day that I should launch my promotional campaign of:
"Prevent over-population, eat a baby today!"

Noone's figured out how to hurt this person. When someone figures out how to hurt him, the residency will have a weapon. Until then, he'll continue to terrorize the world with the Lindens' blessing.

Khamon - I DON'T WANT TO HURT THIS PERSON.

I put that in caps cause you have put this message everywhere. I do NOT want to hurt this person. I don't want to be forced to have to figure out a way to hurt this person.

I just want the Lindens to make him remove the signs.

coco

With all due respect Coco, you'd likely get banned before you managed to hurt him too badly even if you did find a way. He's obviously blessed by the Lindens. We've seen this kind of systematic abuse of the community blessedly overlooked a couple of times before this situation evolved. The signs may disappear; but the perpetrator will outlast us all. What shall we call this group? Blessed League of Terrorists, the BLT, yeah that'll do.

You know I bet if Prokofy placed large spinning IMPEACH PHILIP signs on every bit of property he owned across the mainland he'd find himself suspended within the day. Then he could use one of his alts to put up more of them. Do you think they'd permaban him from the world that day? I do. Do you?

Advocating the impeachment of an elected official is not slander. Not in a free country anyway. It does work both ways, how would you like it if your statements weren't allowed because others disagreed?

There's nothing wrong with a sign advocating Impeach Bush. Whether or not I agree with the sentiment, if the guy next to me wanted to put up a sign that said Impeach Bush, I would figure that is his right, and his land. In fact, that's what I thought at first, when a sign DID go up next to some land I had just bought.

This isn't about that, though. It's about buying up tiny bits of land all over the world and putting these signs on them, and then offering the land for sale for huge prices. That makes it not the usual and reasonable free speech expression of one's opinion, but griefing and extortion.

Making a ruling that no one could express a religious or political statement in the game would be dreadfully anti-free speech. But preventing an individual from using that freedom to grief and extort would be reasonable and expected.

coco

I've never seen one of these signs. But I don't want LL telling me to take down something on my land because my neighbors don't like it. I don't see how it's extortion. You don't have to buy his land. Yes, it means that you have to look at it. Sorry, but you should have seen some of the places built next to me. It's his land, he can put up what he wants within the TOS. Without zoning that's what happens.

I'm getting back from vacation so I haven't had time to read through the some dozen or so topics related to this issue created since then. Has anyone created a proposition in the Vote section calling for an LL policy or technical implementation to address it?