Anti-Bush signs

That would solve nothing. The situation should be resolvable under CURRENT Linden policies as outlined in many previous posts, they just need to be applied and enforced. The technical details are up to the Lindens.

You cannot create a new policy and then enforce it in this case. The owner is operating under the PRESENT ToS and if you change it just for him and try to apply it after the fact, he will probably have a case against you.

What we need to establish is PRECEDENT. We already have precedent for removing offensive builds: things that harm the community experience and the Linden Labs bottom line. Once this case is dealt with under current policies and definitions, we will have a NEW precedent that will provide a clear path to follow in any similar future cases.

Are you saying that as long as the sign is advocating something legal that it will not bother you? How about anti American signs? Many people in SL are residents of other countries and disagree with American policy. Policy that has been in effect longer than the current President. These signs could help educate the American public. Like about the danger of American Beef.

SL is suppose to be a break from our day to day RL concerns. A lot of residents would be very happy if the signs were removed.

Suggestions concerning the ability to selectively block content (something like a HOSTS file where you could selectively block textures or objects by key) have been put forth, but I don't believe officially as a proposition.

Don't be daft. They just want to kick and scream and cry about it and lynch someone who LL have ruled isn't breaking any rules. They don't want to DO anything about it, and are certainly not going to waste time on a considered, realistic proposal when pitchforks and loud complaining is so much easier!

Anyway, how would this proposal read? "LL should bow to pressure from snobs and remove the builds of people the mob don't like even when they don't break the rules"?

Unnecessary. They already have LL policy. It's in the TOS.

coco

Actually, there's this proposition from Persig Phaeton, but it only has 26 voters:

http://secondlife.com/vote/index.php?get_id=866

Quoted for truth.

I think it should read, "LL should return our goats that Bush-Sign-Guy has gotten."

The guy is an ass who has gotten a lot of people's goats by being an ass. One thing I know is, you don't put asses and goats in the same pen or you get kicked and butted when you try to clean up the manure. You can ignore an ass; he'll get bored and let himself out. But you can never get an ass' goat, unless you're a bigger ass.

This ends forest's random convoluted message of the day.

*edit spelling*

Personally I think limiting the size, number and location is perfectly reasonable. I would live under this restriction should I post any signs.

Are you advocating this solution and encouraging people to vote for this or just refuting the idea that no residents care enough to move toward a resolution? Is LL taking no initiative on their own to come up with a technical solution to this?

I am really perplexed.

Not advocating it or any specific solution, just trying to get a handle on how what steps Residents have taken on the issue over the last couple week (other than start near a dozen Forum topics.)

Check Prok's anti-land extortion kit, Hamlet, (available at my store, among other places), as well as the petition contained in it (and sitting separately at my store).

I myself prefer that the Lindens simply grow some ovaries and make the guy take down his signs on the basis of breaking several Guidelines rules.

Beyond that, I'm in favor of putting restrictions on the number of small bits of land a resident can have, on a sliding scale: Three 16ms, five 32's, etc.

I am not in favor of some unnecessary techo-geekery that will make individual residents able to "mute" their view of the world, this shattering the world into an infinite number of parallel worlds not commonly shared, as well as doing nothing for the new players and media types who come into the world and view it as it actually is.

coco

Whats next, Lindens will take your land if somone wants to build a nice shopping mall? Come on the signs suck, but thats the bummer part of private property. Eminent domain, is freaky stuff!

Hey fore! wow... long time no see!

And I agree with you. I think LL should just be like "ok, technically you're not breaking any rules, but you're a jackass, and as such either you take them down or we're taking 'em down for you and confiscate your land" or something.

BUT... the residents aren't grown up enough to handle that. Sure, the initial gloating and dancing on graves will be fun, just like when they banned Prok from the forums, but then it'll turn into a mass of "waaah! my next door neighbors build is ugly and LL won't remove it and ban the guy! They did it to Lazarus! OMG FIC get everything they want and I get nothing! Favoritism! Linden Alts! etc".

So given that it would be more trouble than it's worth to do this crowd a favor for a brief pat on the back now so the same residents can bite them in the ass forever and a day later, I think their stance of sitting on their hands is probably the wisest.

The signs need to go ,they serve no purpose.There not going to change Bush supporters minds or convert them and everyone else hates the guy anyway.Publicity stunt if you ask me,and a good one at that !

Virtual houses need to go too. They serve no purpose. The very notion is ridiculous. Get rid of houses in SL! And people who have prim food? Well, frankly they should be permabanned.

Nono. That was about the sum total of it. Action appears to be mostly limited to starting a new thread and repeating the same whine.

Mind you, there's a new initiative to out-sign the sign guy. Which makes a lot of sense - Ok, LL, if you're going to let this guy crap up the land we'll crap it up even more! And pay tier to do it! nyah!

Only thing is, if they use the sign suggested so far I doubt most people will realise what they're protesting about. It reads like a call for LL to impeach Bush if you ask me.

There are no signs in the forums, so it's no surprise that Kris doesn't think this is a problem.

Ah, you're one of those 'your opinion doesn't matter because SL is so fucked for you you can't participate' people? Actually, smartass, I made a point of going inworld to have a look at all these signs in their various locations which is more than most people would bother to do before wading in with their comments.

And I haven't said it isn't a problem - but then you obviously didn't bother to read what I've said on the subject elsewhere. Not that I give a shit what you think of what I think any more than you care what I think.

I don't think it makes sense either. Almost like posting complaints about people posting complaints. It's their post and they can put what they want in it even if it clutters up the view of the forums, but you don't even have to read it since you could move to another forum, and if the Lindens remove the posts, why, then the sky will fall. Right?

I think people are over reacting to the whole bush thing here in SL I do not that big a deal.

I of course I own no land nor do I want to. That may be why do not care.

AH HA! Finely someone Who Gets My Protesting Post.

People! The only way you are going to get LL to take this seriously is when their cash flow starts suffering over it. Reduce the flow of RL money from you to them. You don't have to leave the world - tier down... go basic... make sure you let LL know what you are doing and why.

disclaimer: I hold no hope that enough ppl will take these steps to make more than a ripple in LL's balance sheet. I am, but I'm doing it more out of a statement of principle. And if you don't like my principles... well, I have others (so says the Groucho in me )

Yah ,You free load off my land. I might have to start to charge you rent.

*kisses*

The anti-Bush statement should be an issue about inflammatory comments and abuse. I'm all for free speech, but RL opinions should be either kept to yourself or discussed within groups. What about debate event?

But, at the end of the SL day, the last thing I want is some SLer, or build, ranting on about (for or against) The War In Iraq/Bush/terrorism/Islam/immigration/politics/taxes/human rights, etc. I get enough bullshit every time I watch the news. What's the point of having a second life if negative RL influences are dragged into SL (what with all the casinos, sex clubs, and money/land grabbers already in there)?

Remember: let's be creative and positive, and avoid stuff that can ruin SL for most of us.