NWN FASHION EXPO 2004 VOTING (Here and only here)

I did not intend for my original post to cause such a ruccous. I was merely stating my disatisfaction with the voting process. As i stated there it was not aimed at anyone in particular and I am sorry if anyone took offense thinking that I was lambasting them personally as that was not my intention. However, if this was my intention I would not have danced around in semantics I would have just said it point blank.

-Jennyfur

I am sorry, but you only quoted the first few lines of my post. Did you read the rest?

The point I was trying to reach is that this is a quantitative contest. One cannot measure quality. Therefore we are simply assuming in this contest like any other of it's sort that a majority vote will reveal a concensus -- the overall all, the general, the average of which we put to scale by the number of votes.

The sub-text of my post was to reveal that by asking people whom you know to vote for you is not in anyway obscuring the vote. It is only adding to the number of votes with which we are using in our conjecture to extrapolate a quantitative definition of "best."

In order to give this information context within this discussion, let me reassure you that it is quite possible that the most popular designers are also the best. The only reason I can say that statement in any truth is because the only way we can measure this qualitative value of "who's designs are the best" is by a quantitative measurement -- votes. If everyone in SL willingly bought a certain person's design, then voted that person as the best, then that is what the vote considers is the best.

You don't have to agree with the numbers of the vote. In fact, the person who the vote decides is the best will obviously not win every single vote because not everyone thinks they are the best. The vote will only show us what the majority of people agree is the best.

If you believe there is collusion in this vote, then please find a way to prove it. Asking a friend to vote for you is not collusion. You are asking them to vote for you and they have the opportunity to vote otherwise if they so choose. If you offered them a reason to vote for you beyond their own judgement -- like money for example; then you are influencing the vote negatively in your favour. If you had convinced the accounter to manipulate the vote, then you are negatively influencing the vote in your favour.

I have yet to see this behaviour in any of the participants. All I have seen so far is people voting for who they want. If there is collusion in this vote, then recount it. There is no need to start calling it a popularity vote. Popularity and the perception of "the best" are inextricably linked.

You either believe in the vote, or you do not.

Simple as that.

As the young child sat upon her father's shoulders watching the SL fashion parade of queens, kings, and new arrived, she cried:


"The designers have no clothes! They are naked!

The voters have no voice. They have been silenced!"


Thus innocence died.

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Thank you Hamlet for your heart-felt intentions.

{Edited: Cross posted at
Contest & Conflict: the Design Community needs LESS Strife thread.)

Palomma Casanova Gets My Vote!!

Yes, I read the entire post, and quoted the part I chose to comment on. I'll quote your entire post below, if that assures you it wasn't ignored, though I find that usually just takes up space.

First - Nowhere have I suggested or implied that anyone has done anything unethical or coersive to garner votes. Perhaps you have my posts confused with someone else's posts or some Real Life situation. Perhaps rereading them would help.

Second - My point is (and I thought it was stated clearly, but perhaps not) that the votes are meaningless when people aren't even going to see what they're supposed to be voting for. Whether the popular designers are talented or not is completely beside the issue for the purposes of this contest, which is what we're discussing if they're being voted for on name recognition alone. Since this appears to be the case, since a good portion of voters haven't actually seen the designers being showcased, I and others have decided to withdraw.

I have to echo Robin's request: do NOT use this topic for anything other than the registration of your votes. Any other comments from this point forward-- beyond praise for the designers you've voted on (see rules in the first topic)-- I will request that the Lindens delete. In fact, I'd prefer that all votes from this point forward WERE SENT TO ME BY IM.

Please. This is about the designers and honoring their work, and any kind of lobbying or campaigning or discussion of same MUST BE DONE ELSEWHERE, NOT HERE.

I understand your point more clearly now. My posts are a little long to quote entirely, but I think it obfuscated what you were meaning by leaving it out.

Either way -- several people believe that votes are being made by people who have not even viewed the work of those to be voted upon as the winners of this contest. I'm wondering how this idea was arrived at. Surely anyone who knows of this event in SL or those they've voted for, know the names of the persons they're voting for and by extension knows that person to some degree.

My question then is: are there people who are IM'ing Hamlet with their votes who have no idea who anyone on the list is and haven't even seen the list?

My counter-point and one that was even implied in my previous post is that even if I only knew 3 of the top designers and 2 of the UACs, I cannot be excluded from the vote. It cannot be expected of me as the voter to know everyone on the list and be familiar with their work. If it is, then this is a private contest and should be limited to the few in SL who DO know every single designer and all of their work.

I thought this was a public contest and the vote was open to whoever wants to be involved. In such a case, even if I only knew 1 single designer, I should still be allowed to vote for that one person because I believe that they are the best -- wether I believe that because I'm ignorant or not is not for anyone to judge if this is an open and free vote.

Again, no more posts here other than votes, please!

Can't we all just get along???

lol.... well Im ecited about the competition. I know i wont win... but im reall interested to see how i fair. I know i sent out group votes to check out the displays and vote for whom they like the most...lol and that was b4 my work was even displayed. lmao

Altho im supposed to be on the UAC list i find it interesting to see how i rank on the established list. and let not say its a popularity contest lets just say a contest for the most established..and the most UAC. because thats really what it is if your establish alot of people know and appreciate your work and will vote for ya. But lets be honest only a handfull of people even know the display is up there. So lets just admitt the obvious...people were nominated because of talent, I havent seen anything bad and not worthy yet. however i still have no clue how i got here let alone semi surviving. Im just way honored to be here

Votes:

Kimmera Madison

UAC

Minah Fredericks

Hi Phil, good to see your votes but please follow the exact format as given by Hamlet in the first post of this thread. He'd prefer it sent to him inworld via IM too. Cheers!

Actually, YES, I DO vote for people because I know them. I know them, I know of their work, I respect their work. Not that you particularily care, but I have a limited amount of time per day I can afford to spend galavanting around an ever-expanding SL universe... or, for that matter, click refresh every 5 minutes to bicker like a child in forums.

If you want to complain about the way the 'election' is taking place, take it upon yourself to present the various options in a better way. Don't just dump it back on Hamlet's lap, complaining about it, or worse yet... squalk in overtones that suggest you'd like to censor MY RIGHT to vote.

It's my right. You can cry if you want to.

Again, I need everyone to take this side conversation to another topic. In any event, I am discussing with the Lindens what to do with the topic as a whole, because I want to preserve the Expo.

Did you even read anything?
you can TP to ONE location and see EVERYONE'S work on the list.. They are all on display, if you dont want to give everyone a fair chance, then your vote shouldnt matter.

undefinedMy Votes are:ESTABLISHED RESIDENT DESIGNERS

Asri Falcone
Mistress Midnight

UP-AND-COMER RESIDENT DESIGNERS

Ambyance2 Anubis
Zaige Lumiere

I was thinking the same thing, if you had the time to look at the boards and vote you SHOULD have the time to go to Zermatt and review the contestants before voting... (you could be anyone in this sense)

I've asked the Lindens to freeze this topic. From now until next Tuesday 11:59 PST, I will ONLY accept votes via Instant Message sent to me. Votes registered any way besides via IM will be rejected. Then on Wednesday, I will announce the people who've been selected by that vote to be covered in the NWN Fashion Week edition.

Also, for the remaining eligible voters, I need to once again ask that they first visit Zermatt (22,22), have a look at all the fashion entries, and only then make the decision and cast their vote to me via IM.