NWN FASHION EXPO 2004 VOTING (Here and only here)

O Lord... Pommie did not even look at other people's work... along with many others... is that really fair? Yes you have been around awhile, but I may be the first to tell you and Torrid this... some of those Up and Comers and some of the Established blew you two in the water... This is totally not fair...
and it isn't that you are more popular then them... they just don't read the forums or hound people for votes like Pommie stated. If any rumors are spread, its by your own friends right here in this forum.

Much like events...reason voting events are so unpopular at times.

They will always be filled with friends or lopsided for popularity.

*Pulls up sofa... gets bag of popcorn*

Poor Hamlet. Had no idea what he was getting into

-Aimee

Very well said Jenn and well done to you and Surreal! There is just no good way to run a contest like this as it will almost ALWAYS end in a straight popularity/who can kiss biggest ass contest. It is sad that that is how this contest appears to be turning out but I have nothing but respect for those of you who have the good sense to realize that and remove yourselves from the situation. I think it is quite comendable. Better to have your dignity and be able to be confident in your work and not have to rely on a rigged popularity contest to back it all up. Way to go and all of my support and love for the great work you have done! My votes to those who choose NOT to participate in this biased crap.

For the record My post withdrawing from the competition has NOTHING to do with Pommie's post. I was writing the post before I even saw his. A strange unplanned coincedence it is... In fact I started writing it after I saw that Jonquille Noir had left the competition as well.

-Jennyfur

First of all I would just like to say, Pommie, thanks for your vote, but I don't want anyone voting for me because they "know" me. Anyone that does know me, knows that I work hard at what I do. It's extremely important to me that I do quality work. I think one problem here is that because some people are popular, it is assumed they receive votes on that basis alone.

If anyone feels that is why I'm receiving votes, I welcome you to judge my clothing for yourself. If you like what I do great, if you don't, that's fine too, everyone has their opinion. I do not feel that it is right to rob someone of the credit they deserve for doing great designs because you think they are getting the popular vote, and I speak for whomever it is you have in mind when you complained about it.

I can understand being upset over people spamming for votes, that's rediculous plain and simple. If someone was receiving votes where it was obvious they had no talent to speak of, I might sympathize with you.

I have always bragged that the clothing designers of SL were the most friendly, non-competitive, and helpful of all. I'm beginning to see that things are changing quite rapidly.

Unless you go to every person that voted for someone and ask their reasons for it, I don't think you can make the assumption that this is a popularity contest. When it comes down to it, you are saying you feel that people with alot of votes aren't talented enough to get them based on their work.

Can't we appreciate each other and what we all have to bring to SL ? I for one think you do great work Jennyfur and I'm sorry you feel you had to withdrawal.

--Regarding this, 'ODDLY' if its speaking of me, i awaited the answer of where i 'sourced' these textures from.... now it is claimed that its not about me..
hmm

I vote for Munchflower Zais, Torrid Midnight, and
Shadow Weaver as established designers, and Ambyance Anubis, Zaige Lumiere as up-and-
coming designers."

Mistress,
I did not say it was not about you, nor did I say it was about you... ODDLY you should stick to the facts...

Pardon me, If someone quotes the name of my collection, I tend to connect dots

*done with forums*
this is why i have so few posts in so long.

I will make this very clear since you are so quick to think the world revolves around you... I use the words "hand painted" as genrally speaking because of alot of designers use that... I had no idea your collection was called Hand Painted...
Was I referring to you? No I was not.
Was I reffering to someone inpaticular? No I was not

But after looking at the pictures you have sent me, it makes me wonder what our differences in hand painted means... hand painted to me , means... starting with a blank canvas... creating your own colors,textures, and fabric... not using anoy source of texture nor fabric to create the design.

what does it mean to you?

O agree with you Jenn... that's why i was honest in my choices of course my Fav designer was not on the list

Sensual, you are my blessed hero!!!!

Thank you Torrid. As I stated somewhere along the line I am not an overly competitive person by nature. Spending numerous years in art school and having been a fashion design major originally has taught me alot about the nature of competition. I saw how it destroys friendships and causes many conflicts. Competitveness on a base level is part of human nature and I understand that. I tend to remove myself from situations where I feel that competiveness is taking over either from myself or from others. I enjoy doing what i do in real life and here. Most of the art I make is for myself. If someone likes it - great. I do not seek to be the best or most well known artist. Thats just how I am.

Much Love,
Jennyfur

lmao well I am glad to know someone appreciates my bluntness

I have just been banned and muted by a designer... wow this is getting ugly

This sudden "omg, this is becoming a popularity contest" worry is an interesting phenomenon of SL.

Is it not possible that the most popular designers are also the best?

Consider that question for a moment.

Whatever is the best is a highly personal selection.
By asking their friends to vote -- or even to vote for them -- it's only going to show the reach of their clothing. The quantitative factor in a situation such as this contest is the number of votes. What turns out to win is not going to be everyone's "best" pick.

Therefore, where is the collusion? If this is a manipulated voting process, shame on the person bribing voters or corrupting Hamlet the accounter of this contest. If the contestents are simply involving their friends.. sorry to say, but how does that affect the vote in any way other than adding more voters?

Democracy works this way all the time. There is almost no such thing as an unbiased vote. Elected officials go out all the time to the people that support them to ask them to vote. That is how they win an election (often in these modern times the counts are skewed or voter counties are actually bought from vote accounters though, so don't get me wrong).

Do you think there is something wrong with that?

Bluntless results in the killing of drama, and drama is a waste of time. I respect and admire those in this thread who are stating facts, NOT turning into this a name calling fight, and having the maturity to handle the problem as adults. Drama is a petty waste and flat out STUPID! There is no need for it, cause for it, or desire for it. Bring on the bluntness! Sqash the rumors, get all of the bull out of the way and in the open! Trying to be catty helps no one and pisses everyone off. So again I say, you are my blessed hero! And not just Sensual, but Jenn, Torrid, Jonquil, and Surreal for having the sense to remover yourselves from a situation you didn't want to be part of and for being able to accept other's discomfort and NOT attack them for it. Applause to you all!

When did this turn into a run for the White House? I'm a bit confused......

When did this become a run for the White House? I'm a bit confused.....

I don't think the question is whether the popular designers are talented. I've seen their works, and bought designs from many of them, and many of them are very talented.

The issue for me is that this has turned into a "Most well known designer" contest. This is strongly suggested to me by the fact that many people can't name any Up And Comers, even though they're on display in the same location as the established designers. (The location we're all supposed to be going to to see the designers to cast our votes for.)

If people are not even going to see the works of the other designers on display, how can this be anything but a popularity contest?

I beg to differ!
The answer is NO!

edited to delete unnecessary attack

Its clear, I AM THE BEST DESIGNER IN SL.

I am so good, a contest would have been redundant!

And if you believe that, I have some lovely, unique plywood boxes, sized 0.5x0.5x0.5 that I can sell you for the BARGAIN price of L$5000 a piece. Even though they're unique.

Seriously, thank you everyone for showing your stuff. You're all damn good at what you do. Who cares who wins? I was just happy seeing some great fashions on display, since I can barely dress myself. Everyone's got different styles that really enrich SL as a whole.

Can I get a cum-by-yah?!

-Flip

This is why I am marrying him.... =)

PS eyeliner eyeliner eyeliner eyeliner

Sorry Sensual, but Flipper is my new hero! DANG that's funny! I have to agree though, I sure as heck can't do what all these designers do. Rock on for all the love!

Please feel free to vote and discuss whether or not you think this is a popularity contest or an opportunity for new designers. Comments about the designers or their ability fall under the personal attack label -- no thanks.