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Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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11-28-2005 16:55
"Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible -- just enough to cover the cost.


Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.


The word ``free'' has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer either to freedom or to price. When we speak of ``free software'', we're talking about freedom, not price. (Think of ``free speech'', not ``free beer''.) Specifically, it means that a user is free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the program with or without changes.


Free programs are sometimes distributed gratis, and sometimes for a substantial price. Often the same program is available in both ways from different places. The program is free regardless of the price, because users have freedom in using it.


Non-free programs are usually sold for a high price, but sometimes a store will give you a copy at no charge. That doesn't make it free software, though. Price or no price, the program is non-free because users don't have freedom.


Since free software is not a matter of price, a low price isn't more free, or closer to free. So if you are redistributing copies of free software, you might as well charge a substantial fee and make some money. Redistributing free software is a good and legitimate activity; if you do it, you might as well make a profit from it. .........."

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html
Fred Extraordinaire
Weapons Specialist
Join date: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 134
11-28-2005 16:56
From: DogSpot Boxer
Heed the word of SL's Top Economic Mind!!!!

So let it be written, so let it be done!



scuse me but, WTF? o.O
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Surreal Unsung
I dont exist
Join date: 31 Jan 2005
Posts: 37
11-28-2005 16:57
From: Jamie Bergman
Lies. All Lies. You Communist.

You're part of the offensive... story breaking at http://sleconomyblog.blogspot.com/



i bought that nuke.. its no lie @ all... sadly.
tho jamies just trying to defuse this on her part.. funny tho, how shes drilling herself into the ground.
Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
11-28-2005 16:57
From: blaze Spinnaker
So, if I uploaded a copyright image and set it to sale for free, then anyone can go an resell it?

I don't think so...

No - you're missing my comment again, let me try to explain it differently.

I put out a freebie house in SL at the Bazaar in Stillman. Can you 'steal' it? No, because it is available for free.

The act of obtaining the freebie is not stealing. Can it be, ever, given that scenario?
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blaze Spinnaker
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11-28-2005 16:59
Ahh, well, I'm more referring to republishing the freebie, ie: selling it.

I don't think anyone is worried about actually owning the houses, it's more the profiteering.
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Lo Jacobs
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11-28-2005 17:02
I was going to wave my pitchfork threateningly at Jamie but I lent it to Jauani Wu and he still hasn't given it back :mad:
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Moss Talamasca
Serpent & Thistle
Join date: 20 Aug 2005
Posts: 367
11-28-2005 17:03
Meh.

As for GiveMe... who in the world was possibly fooled enough to give you L$10k? Egads. That was the worst acting i've seen since Ed Woods.

Forgive me if i doubt the Salvation Army saw any of that. I'm cynical that way. Deceit is reselling freebies, or posing as a noob. Either way, your making money off other's naivety and inexperience. Your insouciant attitude aside, i trust you know this.
blaze Spinnaker
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11-28-2005 17:04
This is not a mob complaint, this is a rational complaint.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Fred Extraordinaire
Weapons Specialist
Join date: 29 Jun 2004
Posts: 134
custom content hijacking
11-28-2005 17:05
precisely, this is not about freebies, i love making and giving freebies away to the public, if consumers can trust our free products then they know they can get their money's worth at my shops. what jamie does is present 'new' products that are replica's of freebie items.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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11-28-2005 17:07
From: Numa Herbst
Thanks! If you thought that reversal of logic was a hoot, get a load of this! It's old and not nearly creative as Much's stuff (he's the MAN!), but it's a perennial favorite.


LoL!!! Too funny...I love Starbucks AND kittens... its gonna be a tough choice :-/
Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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11-28-2005 17:08
From: Surreal Unsung
i bought that nuke.. its no lie @ all... sadly.
tho jamies just trying to defuse this on her part.. funny tho, how shes drilling herself into the ground.


Drilling myself into the ground? Sales at my store today are 4X normal... if thats drilling... let me drill myself to China!!
Surreal Unsung
I dont exist
Join date: 31 Jan 2005
Posts: 37
11-28-2005 17:10
From: Lo Jacobs
I was going to wave my pitchfork threateningly at Jamie but I lent it to Jauani Wu and he still hasn't given it back :mad:


if u did wave it at her and accidently dropped it it would become "DEVILS uber leet pichfork of doom... " just for 15k

>.>
Surreal Unsung
I dont exist
Join date: 31 Jan 2005
Posts: 37
11-28-2005 17:12
From: Jamie Bergman
Drilling myself into the ground? Sales at my store today are 4X normal... if thats drilling... let me drill myself to China!!


better call china and tell them to not put freebies out.
still fail to believe that this all is giving u good publishing.
DogSpot Boxer
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11-28-2005 17:14
From: Fred Extraordinaire
scuse me but, WTF? o.O


Sorry just a little sarcasm.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
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11-28-2005 17:21
From: Surreal Unsung
better call china and tell them to not put freebies out.
still fail to believe that this all is giving u good publishing.


LoL... if it wasn't why would I keep posting here and keep the dhrama going?

Believe it or not, people love excitement. Yeah, in some twisted way, some may see me as the "villian" but as they stop by my store or on SLEXchange (where I've had record traffic & sales today) to check out what all the bruhaha is about they see my quality products and think... "hey, thats cool... I'm gonna pick it up"... and they love the fact that their product will have a colorful history behind it. Plus, as Jim Carrey so accurate said, "Everybody Loves a Villain".

Anways, I'm headed out for my 2nd Frappacino of the day. Gonna make this one a Grande Java Chip w/Whipped Cream and pick up a piece of lemon loaf.

Keep up the good work, y'all :D

Peace.
Lizbeth Marlowe
The ORIGINAL "Demo Girl"
Join date: 7 May 2005
Posts: 544
Shameless Plug for Traffic?
11-28-2005 17:24
Good Publicity, Bad Publicity...either is publicity...

Jamie, kudos, you're getting a lot of air time with this...and I'm sure the curious and unaware will be flocking to your store to see if this is true...and they'll spend at least 5 mins there stomping around...so you'll get some dwell out of this too...

I don't agree at all with what you are doing, it may not be illegal, but it is immoral and shows that you lack integrity. The most successful companies in America do NOT have leaders like you, but the biggest failures sure did. Enjoy the ride...
Logan Bauer
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11-28-2005 17:25
From: Moss Talamasca
Meh.

As for GiveMe... who in the world was possibly fooled enough to give you L$10k? Egads. That was the worst acting i've seen since Ed Woods.

Forgive me if i doubt the Salvation Army saw any of that. I'm cynical that way. Deceit is reselling freebies, or posing as a noob. Either way, your making money off other's naivety and inexperience. Your insouciant attitude aside, i trust you know this.


Yah, you claim you made L$10,000 pretending to be a new player (speaking Engrish and looking for "car and girlfriend", no less). And I gave your alt L$100 for your "cat", sure out of pity and cause I'm a "sucker", so you have 37 cents of mine that you are telling me you are donating, correct? So you made about $37US that you're "donating" to the salvation army?? I'd really like to see proof of that. I'm sure some of the other people who helped out your "donation" would too.

"Economic Mind"? Seriously, at least be honest and try to use some real labels like scam or con artist. Preying off people's generosity like this is what it is. And, don't think too much about the Salvation Army while your drinking your Starbucks, kiddo, might sour your stomach.
Luminia Olsen
Registered User
Join date: 12 Jun 2004
Posts: 50
11-28-2005 17:28
If I Was Going To Set My Own Freebie Land Up And Sold Every Item Not Made By Me For 1L$ would that still be wrong?
Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
11-28-2005 17:28
From: Logan Bauer
So you made about $37US that you're "donating" to the salvation army?? I'd really like to see proof of that.

Don't hold your breath on that one. I can't imagine an individual such as this donating *anything*, unless there was some lucrative return and/or tax break.
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Mulch Ennui
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11-28-2005 17:29
From: Jamie Bergman
Anways, I'm headed out for my 2nd Frappacino of the day. Gonna make this one a Grande Java Chip w/Whipped Cream and pick up a piece of lemon loaf.


enjoy your loaf

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Logan Bauer
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11-28-2005 17:38
From: Luminia Olsen
If I Was Going To Set My Own Freebie Land Up And Sold Every Item Not Made By Me For 1L$ would that still be wrong?


Luminia, many people sell free things for L$1 to keep track of how many are sold. This is a fairly accepted practice, as far as I know.

Taking a freebie which you got entirely for free, and go somewhere else and sell it for any amount greater than L$1 and you are ripping people off, you're giving them something they could get for free and preying on the fact that they haven't been around that long, and charging them for it. That, among other things, is what's got people upset.
Blue Burke
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Dog Dude
11-28-2005 17:40
From: DogSpot Boxer
Dude(tte), that's Self Proclaimed "Top Economic Mind".



Title : Distinguishing name. Designation of honor, rank or office.
Proclaimed: To announce publicly or with conviction.

As used in SL forum profile: (Custom User Title:)

I dont mind being corrected, When I am wrong. :cool:
Aether Languish
Entropy Creations Liason
Join date: 18 Oct 2005
Posts: 12
11-28-2005 17:51
From: Luminia Olsen
If I Was Going To Set My Own Freebie Land Up And Sold Every Item Not Made By Me For 1L$ would that still be wrong?


No, that wouldn't be wrong (as long as the items not made by you which are copyable are intended freebies), since 1L$ is worth less than a penny as is, and is really rightful payment for using prim space on your land to host it. However, there's a great difference between selling a freebie for 1L$ and selling that same freebie for anywhere from 100L$ to as much as 1000L$ and preying on the ignorance of others to line your pocketbooks while you also break IP restrictions by also selling items which were leaked due to perm bugs caused by one of the inventory updates by LL (without any consent whatsoever from the original creators) not to mention even claiming credit for the item's creation in lieu of any actual publicity the item creator might have received (because truly, how many people look at the Creator in the Edit window unless they have a problem with the item?). Of course, this view is from a both ethical and legal perspective.

And yes Jamie, there will most likely be a spike of popularity before your business comes to a screeching halt (although one of our team took a look at your Traffic and its actually gone down since the last time we saw it), but as word spreads of the truth of your items (and it will as the box of freebies we compiled has already been delivered some 30-40 times since its posting), well... I don't need to fill in the rest.
Surreal Unsung
I dont exist
Join date: 31 Jan 2005
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11-28-2005 17:55
From: Logan Bauer
So you made about $37US that you're "donating" to the salvation army?? I'd really like to see proof of that.


since the money was free.. she prolly sold the 36usd that she made to the salvation army for around 200 bux and some free clothes.
Hiro Queso
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11-28-2005 18:07
From: Lizbeth Marlowe
Good Publicity, Bad Publicity...either is publicity...

Jamie, kudos, you're getting a lot of air time with this...and I'm sure the curious and unaware will be flocking to your store to see if this is true...and they'll spend at least 5 mins there stomping around...so you'll get some dwell out of this too...

hehe I think you nailed it on the head. This smells like a stunt to me.
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