Worth a shot

You insult yourself. At no point did I say I would not pay L$ for your products provided your products were interesting to me. What I said is I would NOT buy your L$ on GOM to pay for your land. But it goes right over your head that I make NO money to buy your products with L$. You are doing nothing but arguing the point that I shoudl rush to GOM and pay for your land. Thus the reason I asked if we (we being the normal SL players) could have out income back. To buy YOUR stuff!

Exactly. I agree. The challenge is to keep new members happy and for them to see the value in content in SL. You need something to hook them and make them want to invest in SL. The Welcome Area, ain't gonna cut it.

You don't get it - GOM is why it's worth my time. The L$ is valueless by itself, the exchange makes it an actual incentive.
The land is how I offer my product. Wether I pay my tier to to LL or pay L$ to a mall owner, at some point it has to be made into cash in order to get content into SL. This is a fact! Land = content, because land = server resources.
Get it now?

Comments like this remind me why I am disillusioned with SL currently. It would require a change in the mindset of most players.

Not everyone is willing to spend RL cash on virtual goods; they want to make virtual cash to spend on virtual goods. If I need money in WoW, I can just grind for a little while and get the cash I need or many something and sell it within the system. SL has nothing like that. You can't create content and sell it back into the system (sink), you can only sell to other Residents, who may be fickle. The amount of time it requires to make a business and sell content is a little high for people that have 9-5, family and friends, and distracts from the enjoyment of SL.

Tringo and virtual prostitution seem to be the almost only sources of income for the average novice user without graphics or 3D modeling skills, and ohh yeah, money trees. This part of the reason our events list has turned to shit and the conversion/retention rate in SL won't climb.

Lets print more money to circulate in our economy... that'll help the conversion rate.

(sarcasm)

No YOU'RE the one that don't get it. You're making this a business as opposed to allowing it to be an enjoyable game. Your greed for real money for your L$ is the problem. You won't stay within your real life budget and pawn your wearz. You must buy huge plots of land and sell your L$ to be happy. This isn't a game for you this is a living.

No YOU'RE the one that don't get it. You're making this a business as opposed to allowing it to be an enjoyable game. Your greed for real money for your L$ is the problem. You won't stay within your real life budget and pawn your wearz. You must buy huge plots of land and sell your L$ to be happy. This isn't a game for you this is a living.

At no point did I say I would not pay L$ for your products provided your products were interesting to me. What I said is I would NOT buy your L$ on GOM to pay for your land. But it goes right over your head that I make NO money to buy your products with L$. You are doing nothing but arguing the point that I shoudl rush to GOM and pay for your land. Thus the reason I asked if we (we being the normal SL players) could have out income back. To buy YOUR stuff!

Well, for me, there is no skill I can learn in SL that will help me with my RL career with the exception of increasing my project management skills. The limitation of SL make even project management in SL frustrating.

I have never killed a bunny in WoW, but Wow provides me pure entertainment and relaxation. I dont spend hours making something that sells for $.50 USD. A well rested and entertained Eboni is a better employee and manager.

And I've reported you again for calling me greedy.

No such thing as useless knowledge, in my book.



And you know, funny damned thing, Second Life provides me entertainment and relaxation!

So where's the argument?

If LL hands out free $L for you to spend on content, then the $L becomes worthless.

Do you just not get it?

Dude greedy is not an insult get real.

SL was not always billed as a business platform. The current marketing doesn't really highlight SL as a business platform effectively.

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Wow! SL is a place I can build a house, go jet skiing, go clubbing, ski, and look as slutty as I want to be.


Reailty….


Everything costs far beyond your initial stipend and your weekly stipend income. You still can’t figure out how to unbox clothes (an even though there is no reason for a user to have to unbox their clothes, they still do? Is that value added?), let alone make anything to sell. I didn’t think I would have to spend another $20-50 a month to support my lifestyle in this game. Ohh, well the account was free or 9.95, I never have to come back.

It's amazing how the money changers come out of the woodwork on threads like this. I'm sure what Jillian makes is good. It's people like her and that make it impossible for someone like me to make anything. They want to sell me their good AND sell me their L$ to buy their goods. So it's 100% win for them. Money from both ends. I buy the L$ to buy their crap they sell the L$ back to me. Jillian can't be happy playing SL within her RL budget. She has to flood the market (not only her but her and those like her) and make it impossible for me to make some L$ by making things. It's no fun for Jillian to make her goods and only sell from the land she can afford in RL. She needs to have 10000 meters of land and a million prims. It's my point that's being ignored here not that of the money changers. All your doing is making Linden Labs rich. All they're doing is hooking up hard drives. Yes if I pay a monthly fee to them they should give me an income considering all they do is hook up hard drives. They don't make the game interesting themselvs.

Incredible!
"all they do is hook up hard drives"?? I guess the software just fell out of the sky and the dev team just goes out and scoops it up. And the Liasons all work for free becasue they love being abused by greifers. And the bandwidth is gratis from their colo facility since they consider it a privilege to pass vast amounts of streaming data. And the electricity is all from the perpetual motion machine.

What exactly is your point, if we're ignoring it?

Now here's an interesting thought! Maybe content creation could be sent to dizzying new heights by the implementation of what I will term, LLMegaStore. I'll give an example. Let's say you create, for example, a virtual sofa. You would then sell the exclusive distribution rights to your virtual sofa to LLMegaStore for say, 250x whatever they intend to price it at. So if they felt your sofa was worth L$100 retail, they would give you L$25,000 in virtual money for the property rights to your virtual sofa.

Of course, you'd have given up all rights to sell your virtual sofa yourself, so you've been freed from the tedious and expensive task of having to market your product to the public. LL takes care of that for you. So now you're in the wonderful position of being able to immediately sell your L$25,000 on the soon to be released LLMegaMoneyExchange (or just keep it) and move on to create a stunning virtual chair or loveseat that matches your virtual sofa!

This could boost the L$ value enormously as consumers flock to buy it once they can spend it on absolutely ANYTHING they want in a one-click system that is COMPLETELY integrated into the client. Of course for this to work they would probably have to auction a fair bit of the new land flowing into the world for L$ rather than USD, in order to offset the enormous amounts of L$ that they'd use to buy virtual property rights with. This would cut out a lot of revenue, sure, but maybe that could be made up for in exchange fees at the new LLMegaMoneyExchange.

What does everyone think of this? Do you have any suggestions? Critisism? Just want to throw a tomatto at me? I think it'd be a great way to light a fire under both the L$ and content creation in general, allowing virtual business operators to better monetize their efforts!

No YOU'RE the one that don't get it. You're making this a business as opposed to allowing it to be an enjoyable game. Your greed for real money for your L$ is the problem. You won't stay within your real life budget and pawn your wearz. You must buy huge plots of land and sell your L$ to be happy. This isn't a game for you this is a living.

Schwanson,


There is a massive flaw in your logic. All the money currently in world is money that LL has given away for free! OMG! Content creators can not CREATE LINDENS, only LL can. If they stop giving out money where does the money come from? Thin air? Eventually as people leave, money will just sit in their accounts. LL has to create a certain amount of cash to keep cash flowing in the economy.

I think I've stated before in this thread that LL has failed to properly express what SL is in thier advertising. That failure leads to the disillusionment and eventual departure of folks like Corey. Not my fault though, it's LL's.

Go take a long hike off a short cliff I'm done responding to you!

I believe you have an incorrect viewpoint on reality.

Second Life is not a game, no more than there's a game named "File Transfer Protocol".

This isn't just semantics, but a statement of fact. Games have rules, artificial obstacles, and a goal; there is no endgame level 50 god raid in Second Life.

1) Refer all your friends, SL is now FREE, this is the easiest way to make $L.

It's bad to buy L$ for $ because this is a game and doing so transforms it into a profit making engine for some. This taking away the fun of the game. It also makes people invest what they can't afford into the game.

Yes. Rude people like this are who we *really* want to encourage to stay in SL.