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Susanne Pascale
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10-26-2007 10:22
From: Aodhan McDunnough @Sensual Nothing for Cristiano to be ashamed about. Cristiano's been an excellent board admin. I've seen all sorts of opinions gracing the SLU pages, there are many that agree with him, and many he's very much opposed to. What distinguishes posts that remain from posts that get chucked in the trash is the manner of presentation and the way the poster comports himself or herself. In one thread Sooz Pascale and I had a VERY long discussion with many common points and many diametrically opposed viewpoints. Considering that both sides were presented wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that points that Cristiano and the so-called clique are violently opposed to were present in that discussion? That discussion ran full length with no emotions flaring and no moderation whatsoever. If there's any cliquishness it's only in the kind of jokes people can poke at each other safely. There is no clique-driven list of opinions on SLU. If there were I certainly would have run afoul of them many times since as a technical person I frequently have painfully unpopular points of view.
So again, it's not in what opinion is being said, it's primarily in the way it's being presented. If Crystal feels she is being singled out, I gather that it's primarily because of how she comports herself. This is an excellent example of why I LIKE SLU. Aodhan and I had a pretty intense, several page discussion about issues on which we both disagreed, with a fair amount of passion, at least on my part. Not once did the discussion devolve into personal attacks or flame wars. We each presented our points and, finally, agreed to disagree. At no time did either us [I believe, I can't reallyspeak for Aodhan here] fear being locked down due to some capricious and arbitrary moderator. Important issues, both in RL and SL are discused in SLU by intelligent, informed, passionate and [with the exception of me] funny people. Forms cannot be a "one size fits all" proposition. Some fit; others do not. SLU fits me. It may not fit you. My advice, if it doesn't fit, move on and find something that does. Just because YOU don't like a particular forum does not mean that others should not like it. All newcomers are welcome. Naturally if you start into personal attacks against others or hate filed speech, you will have problems. I like it, but I realize its not perfect for everyone. Sooz
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Sensual Casanova
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Join date: 28 Feb 2004
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10-26-2007 10:25
Uhh what's your point? I wasn't talking about verifying her avatar, he did in fact announce and claim to check her IP, was my point which he denied here. Reading comprehension much? Cristiano, You are right you can moderate them however you want them, they are yours, but don't be surprised when people are not happy or don't agree. As I mentioned earlier if you want more people using your forums and to be able to trust them, you may want to find a better approach.
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JessyAnne Theas
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Join date: 9 May 2007
Posts: 610
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10-26-2007 10:31
I want to get my post in before Strife comes by and (rightly so) locks it. I'm relatively new to posting on forums. I came here first, and to SC 2nd. SC was slightly frightening to me. I admit it, I was overwhelmed & intimidated by the strong personalities there. But after it closed and I went to SLU, I was welcomed from my very first post. While the posting members at SLU have strong personalities, beliefs and bonds as well, they're open to all newcomers. It's basically a sink or swim environment, and if you don't have the cojones to swim, you will drown. However, if you dive right in, with your own posts reflecting your own strong beliefs and personality, you will find a motley bunch of amazing people there to hang out with. Not a single time have I felt I was an outcast, or looking in from the outside of a clique. Quite different actually. I was welcomed, I was talked TO instead of around, and included everytime I wished to be. Anyone who says that the SLU'ers have an instant-mob-kill-a-newbie mentality is wrong, jealous of their own inadequacies or there solely to cause a ruckus. That being said, there are quite a few posters there who I rarely agree with, or find their opinions the complete opposite of mine. That's their prerogative and I've spoken up (given the finger), moved on and haven't been banned. So this cliquish, Cristiano fan club idea a few of you have is pure BS. It doesn't exist. If you have a problem with winding your way thru a sea of people who already know each other, that's your issue. Not theirs. Your best bet is to go in, say hello, be nice. And trust me, you'll find a place you'll call home.
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Joshua Nightshade
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Join date: 12 Oct 2004
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10-26-2007 10:31
From: Sensual Casanova Reading comprehension much? I know! You struggle with it. From: someone Cristiano, You are right you can moderate them however you want them, they are yours, but don't be surprised when people are not happy or don't agree. As I mentioned earlier if you want more people using your forums and to be able to trust them, you may want to find a better approach. From what I've seen there's no issue with people using Cris' forums. Take care though!
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-26-2007 10:35
From: Sensual Casanova Oh really? Let me quote you... You snipped off the rest of the quote to suit yourself: From: Cristiano Midnight Ok, enough already. A couple of things here. Crystal is not an alt of someone posting here, at least by IP. Also, they are perfectly allowed to express the opinion that they did not like SC, just as you are free to respond to it. However, it is extremely bad form to start out somewhere by insulting a group of people that are posting here - it was certainly possible to express dislike of the tone or content of SC without bashing people who are now part of this community - one you are posting in willingly.
There is a tendency to always assume someone is an alt, and who knows, perhaps Crystal is too. However, there is no proof of it here - just an unpleasant first post, and repeated accusations doesn't mean it's true. Enough already.
You are right, I had forgotten that I stood up and said that she was not an alt based on the IP. Defending that someone is not an alt is different than posting that she is an alt, and who she is an alt of. If there had been a match, I would not have revealed it (and never have, in any circumstances). There has been some ongoing alt abuse in my forums related to the SC closure, and I have not revealed the connections, just quietly removed accounts as necessary. However, as for confirming who she was, she IMed me - and I still did not reveal who she was (which she did here), just again confirmed she was not an alt. Thanks for the advice on how to run my forum.
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Sensual Casanova
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10-26-2007 10:38
From: Cristiano Midnight If there had been a match, I would not have revealed it (and never have, in any circumstances). There has been some ongoing alt abuse in my forums related to the SC closure, and I have not revealed the connections, just quietly removed accounts as necessary.
But yet your buddy Josh claims you outed me for alt abuse.. c'mon guys get it straight, this isn't making things look any better 
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BEARintheMorning Holmer
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Join date: 8 Apr 2007
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10-26-2007 10:40
From: JessyAnne Theas Quite different actually. I was welcomed, I was talked TO instead of around Same here so far JessyAnne. The "talked TO instead of around" thing really stood out to me. From: JessyAnne Theas So this cliquish, Cristiano fan club idea a few of you have is pure BS. It doesn't exist. Damn. I was really looking forward to working (or buying) my way into this clique. From: JessyAnne Theas you'll find a place you'll call home. I have. At least until I'm evicted or they sell the parcel out from under me. 
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Joshua Nightshade
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10-26-2007 10:41
From: Sensual Casanova But yet your buddy Josh claims you outed me for alt abuse.. c'mon guys get it straight, this isn't making things look any better  Lucky enough for you Cris' old forums are defunct and unavailable. But I think it's clear your long reign of utter-freaking-crazy precedes this discussion today. Edit to add: If Cris says he's never outed anyone's alt-identity than he hasn't. I seem to remember you being linked to alt abuse on his forum before the redesign, which would be why you don't post there anymore. But again, given that the site archives are gone I can't pull up the thread in question. Good for you!
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JessyAnne Theas
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10-26-2007 10:42
From: BEARintheMorning Holmer I have. At least until I'm evicted or they sell the parcel out from under me.  *squeezes* Don't worry, I've got oodles of extra parcels 
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Tyche Shepherd
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Join date: 1 May 2007
Posts: 74
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10-26-2007 10:49
Hey can I be someones alt ...  leading icon: ..pretty please.. Oh for god sake .. SLuniverse is a good forum - fun .. come and see it .. every now and then it gets a touch emotional  .... but ....Hey if you're really lucky then you can be part drama as well 
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Sensual Casanova
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10-26-2007 10:50
From: Joshua Nightshade Lucky enough for you Cris' old forums are defunct and unavailable. But I think it's clear your long reign of utter-freaking-crazy precedes this discussion today.
Edit to add: If Cris says he's never outed anyone's alt-identity than he hasn't. I seem to remember you being linked to alt abuse on his forum before the redesign, which would be why you don't post there anymore. But again, given that the site archives are gone I can't pull up the thread in question. Good for you! I never posted there regularly so I have no clue what you are talking about... and now it is if Cris says he didn't, he didn't? But you sounded so sure of yourself, c'mon seriously, which is it? Facts please!
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Joshua Nightshade
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10-26-2007 10:51
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JessyAnne Theas
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10-26-2007 10:51
From: Tyche Shepherd Hey can I be someones alt ...  leading icon: ..pretty please..  What are your qualifications?
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BEARintheMorning Holmer
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Join date: 8 Apr 2007
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10-26-2007 10:52
I'm one of those loud obnoxious neighbours though Jesse - that's why my current place is a little island all by it's little lonesome way out on the back side of a void sim...LOL. I was actually trying to make an admittedly stretched connection between being "home" on a "parcel" and now being a member of the SLU community. I know, I suck. Nobody gets me. Mosty barely tolerate me. Much like my listeners AND my estate manager. 
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Kitty Barnett
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10-26-2007 10:54
No offense to anyone, but if a post advertising a third-party forum can't even stay civil because its (ex-)members flock over over to attack one another (don't really care who's right or wrong) you're not setting a particularly welcoming example. Then again, I see a few names of people that made SC such an beacon of politeness and civil behaviour  .
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Joshua Nightshade
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10-26-2007 10:56
From: Kitty Barnett No offense to anyone, but if a post advertising a third-party forum can't even stay civil because its (ex-)members flock over over to attack one another (don't really care who's right or wrong) you're not setting a particularly welcoming example. Then again, I see a few names of people that made SC such an beacon of politeness and civil behaviour  . Who's attacking anybody? I was playing violin. 
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JessyAnne Theas
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10-26-2007 10:57
From: BEARintheMorning Holmer I'm one of those loud obnoxious neighbours though Jesse - that's why my current place is a little island all by it's little lonesome way out on the back side of a void sim...LOL. I know, I suck. Nobody gets me. Mosty barely tolerate me. Much like my listeners AND my estate manager.  Welcome to the club! In my experience sucking makes one quite popular... (who said that?!)
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Susanne Pascale
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10-26-2007 11:07
From: Kitty Barnett No offense to anyone, but if a post advertising a third-party forum can't even stay civil because its (ex-)members flock over over to attack one another (don't really care who's right or wrong) you're not setting a particularly welcoming example. Then again, I see a few names of people that made SC such an beacon of politeness and civil behaviour  . Politeness and civil behavior are the rule their, not the exception. Name calling, flame wars and EXCESS drama are rare. Sooz
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-26-2007 11:08
From: Sensual Casanova I never posted there regularly so I have no clue what you are talking about... and now it is if Cris says he didn't, he didn't? But you sounded so sure of yourself, c'mon seriously, which is it? Facts please! I think he is recalling the Lexi Morgan thread bashing you that was not in fact posted by Lexi Morgan, but someone pretending to be her. You didn't match, the only similarity was it came from a work computer in the Denver area, but it was not a match. I stated multiple times that the post did not come from you based upon matching, though Lexi did accuse you once finding out it came from Denver. There was no connection proven, however.
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
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10-26-2007 11:10
Folks, can most of this SLU-related discussion be moved back there please? okthxbai
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BEARintheMorning Holmer
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Join date: 8 Apr 2007
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10-26-2007 11:15
From: JessyAnne Theas Welcome to the club! In my experience sucking makes one quite popular... (who said that?!) I somehow get the impression we're not using "suck" in the same context. I have statistical proof as well because if we WERE then BitM would have millions of listeners instead of a few shut in's, my mom, and their cats...lol. P.S. - regardless of *some* of the content in this thread, this is the most fun I've had on SL's forums since I discovered "payment info on file" would let me in here. But, I'm with you Niki - I'll see ya's over on SLU. 
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DaQbet Kish
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10-26-2007 11:21
Geez… I go to lunch and come back to find this! Erm..I’m kind partly to blame here. I completely over reacted when I saw the name Crystal. And I called her an alt…wait…?!? …is Crystal the alt of Sensual?
/retracts pending apology until further clarification.
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Sensual Casanova
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10-26-2007 11:22
From: Cristiano Midnight I think he is recalling the Lexi Morgan thread bashing you that was not in fact posted by Lexi Morgan, but someone pretending to be her. You didn't match, the only similarity was it came from a work computer in the Denver area, but it was not a match. I stated multiple times that the post did not come from you based upon matching, though Lexi did accuse you once finding out it came from Denver. There was no connection proven, however. uh-huh! I am just going to ignore the rest of this thread, I think you guys get my point Enjoy your forums
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Joshua Nightshade
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10-26-2007 11:26
From: Sensual Casanova Enjoy your forums Will do!
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Cristiano Midnight
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10-26-2007 11:35
From: Sensual Casanova uh-huh! I am just going to ignore the rest of this thread, I think you guys get my point Enjoy your forums You do the same.
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