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The real reason they're bringing in video

Charlotte Gillespie
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03-20-2005 14:32
From: Nolan Nash
In a PG sim? Doubtful. Also, remember that there is a teen grid coming.


And they'll suddenly all decide not to come into the adult grid where the shagging's going on? Get real.

:)
Nolan Nash
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03-20-2005 14:58
From: Charlotte Gillespie
And they'll suddenly all decide not to come into the adult grid where the shagging's going on? Get real.

:)
I dunno Charlotte, I have been here nearly two years, and never had shagging thrust in my face (pardon the pun), and as a matter of fact, most of the folks I know who engage in SL sex are adults. I think you're counting chickens before they hatch. There are many, many uses for video. The places that now have porn pics on the walls will now have porn videos, so what? You still don't have to go there.

It's like blaming porn for teens getting pregnant. They did before porn was prevalent, and they still do after. Remarkably, the rates have been dropping slowly in the US and Europe since the porn industry exploded after the advent of VHS.
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Juro Kothari
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03-20-2005 15:06
From: Charlotte Gillespie
Sex sells. It's always been the case.

Of course sex sells.. we're a nation of sexually deprived, socially inhibited individuals where sex and sexuality is still (largely) taboo.

I think your assumption that sex/porn is *the* reason they brought streaming video into the next release is way off base.

Your logic could also have been applied to custom animations when they first became available. "OMG the only reason they're doing this instead of fixing bugs is 'cuz sex sells". :rolleyes:

Of course, there are plenty of sex-related animations, but there are many, many non-sexual animations out there.
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Charlotte Gillespie
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03-20-2005 15:14
From: Juro Kothari
"OMG the only reason they're doing this instead of fixing bugs is 'cuz sex sells". :rolleyes:


Will people please stop paraphrasing my words in such a way as to make me sound silly?

I have never, ever said "OMG" - or "cuz" for that matter.

Quote me, or don't quote me - but give up misquoting me.
Juro Kothari
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03-20-2005 15:18
I wasn't quoting YOU. It was a hypothetical quote of the hysteria that could've come about if people had followed the logic you're applying to streaming video. Again, not about you.
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03-20-2005 15:18
From: Juro Kothari
Of course sex sells.. we're a nation of sexually deprived, socially inhibited individuals where sex and sexuality is still (largely) taboo.


What nation is that? Or, more to the point, what nation is not?

I still say Charlotte has a point, in spite of all the lumber thrown about on this thread. Put it this way: At what point does she have the right to say that all the wooley wood being batted around crosses a line and violates privacy? or creates the unavoidable compulsion to respond?....It's not there yet, and may never be, but what's the threshold?
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03-20-2005 15:27
From: Seth Kanahoe
What nation is that? Or, more to the point, what nation is not?

I still say Charlotte has a point, in spite of all the lumber thrown about on this thread. Put it this way: At what point does she have the right to say that all the wooley wood being batted around crosses a line and violates privacy? or creates the unavoidable compulsion to respond?....It's not there yet, and may never be, but what's the threshold?

That country would be the U.S. There are many countries where sex and sexuality are not subject to the social stigma we apply to it in the U.S.

What about privacy? What does that have to do with streaming video?

Also, isn't the streaming video parcel based, as streaming audio is? If it 'violates' you, stay off that parcel - end of story. They are not going to be able to shove the video in anyone's face, unless you're on that parcel.

It's clear that some people in SL have a strong distaste for porn - good for them. May I suggest that they never buy a porn video or magazine and maybe stay safely within the confines of PG-rated sims. That is, afterall, why they exist.
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03-20-2005 15:34
From: Seth Kanahoe
What nation is that? Or, more to the point, what nation is not?

I still say Charlotte has a point, in spite of all the lumber thrown about on this thread. Put it this way: At what point does she have the right to say that all the wooley wood being batted around crosses a line and violates privacy? or creates the unavoidable compulsion to respond?....It's not there yet, and may never be, but what's the threshold?

When she is forced to view it.
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Juro Kothari
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03-20-2005 15:40
From: Seth Kanahoe
Personally, I think Charlotte's on to something here. LL is deliberately turning SL into a virtual porn emporium.

No, they are not. If they did, there would be a Porno folder in the default inventory.

LL is giving us expanded tools to enhance the world - what we do with it is up to us. Some will use video to teach, have movie nights... no doubt some will have sexy-sexy shows for thier special someone or have raunch video bars... who knows. But, it's not LL - it's us.

To those who think its the end of SL, I might suggest: There or TSO .
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Seth Kanahoe
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03-20-2005 16:09
Juro, you're taking my posts too seriously. While my question about "thresholds" was fairly serious, the rest of it was meant perhaps a little, well, "wood-in-cheek".

Lighten up! :)

Nolan, very good. Now, define "forced", and I think I'll understand your point. Thanks. :)
Torley Linden
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03-20-2005 16:14
Emoticons help... ;) and so does:

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Seth Kanahoe
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03-20-2005 16:16
From: Torley Torgeson
Emoticons help... ;)


You're right, Torley. I was thinking that my comments about "throwing lumber" and "batting wooley wood" around would do the trick, but I was wrong. My bad.

:D
Nolan Nash
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03-20-2005 16:24
From: Seth Kanahoe
Nolan, very good. Now, define "forced", and I think I'll understand your point. Thanks. :)

-When the Lindens don't take action if someone places it on her land, which will never happen. :)

-When she is avnapped, caged and forced to watch it, and the lindens don't take appropriate action. :)

-When there is no toggle to turn it off whilst flying. (I toggle this all the time with audio) :)
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Seth Kanahoe
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03-20-2005 16:34
A "gun-to-head" scenario. Thought so. :)
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03-20-2005 17:03
From: Charlotte Gillespie

Lindens - I implore you, kill this feature before the full 1.6 release. Otherwise, you've turned me forever into the most cynical of users.


Uh, I hate you tell you this, Charlotte, but [SOTTO VOCE] you might already be the most cynical of users [/SOTTO VOCE] :eek:
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Lance Hedges
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03-20-2005 17:33
Heh exactly. I was gonig to bring this up one of these days, but not why linden labs was doing it. Jsut that all the clubs VIP rooms are now gonig to have a porno selectino with sounds now O-o
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03-20-2005 17:34
From: Nolan Nash


Charlotte, you live in a PG sim, why are you so bothered by this?


Definitely a hangup, if you look at post history ;)
Tatiana Jensen
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03-20-2005 17:40
Like the real world, whether we like it or not... there will be alcohol sales, tobacco sales, lottery ticket sales and of course, lots of sex selling everything. I think it would be cool to watch tv in SL or watch a concert. I am sure, with all the intelligent people in SL, someone will show us all kinds of different streaming videos. I might even watch some porn... ;-)
Nolan Nash
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03-20-2005 17:51
From: Tatiana Jensen
Like the real world, whether we like it or not... there will be alcohol sales, tobacco sales, lottery ticket sales and of course, lots of sex selling everything. I think it would be cool to watch tv in SL or watch a concert. I am sure, with all the intelligent people in SL, someone will show us all kinds of different streaming videos. I might even watch some porn... ;-)


OMG! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Nawt teh pr0n!
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03-20-2005 18:12
From: Charlotte Gillespie
Lindens - I implore you, kill this feature before the full 1.6 release. Otherwise, you've turned me forever into the most cynical of users.

in a related story i spit in the ocean the other day and made it completely soaking wet.
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03-20-2005 18:23
From: Zuzi Martinez
in a related story i spit in the ocean the other day and made it completely soaking wet.

YOU did that?
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Nolan Nash
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03-20-2005 18:37
The real reason for video
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Kats Kothari
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03-20-2005 19:41
I have been here more than a year and I haven't seen much related to sex in SL. I have run into the occasional nude pic or sex bed, but nothing that would offend me personally. It's probably because I'm a hermit and am mostly on my land building, but the last thing that came to my mind related to streaming video was pron.

The first thing that did come to mind is all the people that will be violating copyrights and trademarks by streaming movies and other videos that they don't own. Hopefully, this new feature won't bring about the first lawsuits in SL. :eek:
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03-20-2005 19:54
The best thing about SL is that *we* create the content with tools provided...

...so if SL is overrun by porn and AV's bumping uglies and naughty bits - guess who's to blame? Here's a hint -- not LL.

Sorta like saying 'please stop production of video cameras - they're making porn!' - it's a tool, SL is tool (dare I say populated by a bunch of tools)... If LL introduced a 'circumcised radio button' or 'labia sliders' I might be inclined to change my opinion, but as it stands I think it's 'cool feature de jour' -- just like custom anims. Although the tools may very well be used for it (porn), I think it will take SL to the next level.

There is a healthy virtual sex industry going (hell, I even made a few 'wright brothers' contributions to it) - I hardly think it's 'all over SL' or that the sky is falling.

Siggy.
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I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Juro Kothari
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03-20-2005 22:54
From: Seth Kanahoe
Juro, you're taking my posts too seriously. While my question about "thresholds" was fairly serious, the rest of it was meant perhaps a little, well, "wood-in-cheek".

Lighten up! :)

Nolan, very good. Now, define "forced", and I think I'll understand your point. Thanks. :)

OK ok... I won't take them so seriously in the future. ;)
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