Who was it hurting?

I graduated in 1990 what exactly does that have to do with anything? I graduated from college in 1996. And yes this is a game.

Hi Ingrid, Im not against it I am just against the fact that ratings are tied to an income. This alone is the whole point here. By having a "Gamable" way to illicite more cash from LL each week it created a situation of Hyper Inflation meaning those that could game the ratings were getting extreme amounts of cash.

So what does this do to the populace well those money horses that get that high influx. They can afford to pay higher prices thus creators say well if they will pay that they will pay this for mine and they do. Thus People like Corey get screwed.

So LL decided to do this...unfortunately its not going to have the effect they are seeking as its nothing more than a mirror of what we currently have except with lower income. So what will happen, it will slow down people will adjust and things will continue as they are.

This actually isnt a major upset it more so throwing a stick pin head first at a baloon it may pop and it may not.

Again I say I agree with Change I just disagree that it was enough to fix the problem.

Shadow

Inflation is an excuse for those that have money from designing that do not need funding and feel everyone should be a designer/creator but feel they are superior and deserve it where those that don't do not. Period.

The only inflation here is the head.

Mr. Midnight would you be willing to talk to me in game to give me tips/help me learn more about PhotoShop and Poser? This is going nowhere. Obviously the small percentage of SL users that use these forums are more the ones that use SL for income via GOM then those that use SL for fun alone. It's also obvious Lindens don't care about us that only use it for fun as we don't pay huge land fees and such to them. This pay cut is only catered to them. Nothing you say will make me see it any other way. So I give up and once again ask can I talk to you in game to help develop my skills at making clothing and animations. Not that they will sell for decent money now, but to give me enjoyment of creating interesting things.

Uh, no. Inflation is a basic thing you learn in Econ 101.

It's not an imaginary beast that runs around keeping the "huddled masses' down.

Look it up.

LF

So you came in here with a closed mind, yelling at us for your flaws in reasoning and logic.

Great.

LF

Yes but only if you stop calling me Mr.

Well, like a few of the other folks who have commented here, im only semi talented.
i own a shop and rent a mall store, but im lucky if i make 200L$ a week, so i do count on the stipend, at least right now. Like others im not seeing the effect on the economy, the places ive bought items are still selling things at reasonable rates. I wish they could have given some sort of statistics to justify the need for the changes. what i envision will happen is the same thing that happens in other online games, the rich will get richer, those who dont have the time or skills to "work"in a game thats just preposterous) will leave the game. It will become a small system of die hards and maybe then the ecoomy will work the way the Lindens want. Admittedly, i know nothing of economics and im simply ranting, but i for one would like some sort of proof that there was trouble in our SL paradise.
I also know that for some the rating system was meaningless, but for me a normally shy girl to start with, it was a means of introduction. Now thats to costly, its unfortunate.

At one of the Linden meetings someone mentioned an income tax instead that may be a better way.

who knows? ill play until im broke and move on to another game, which is to bad i enjoyed this one.

Again, prices adjust, if prices go up and income does not; product pricing adjusts to affordability. This game does not have other aspects of economic considerations like Military and essentuals that will cause a deficit. If in fact a deficit is an issue with Linden Labs in regards to their profit, just like a Government; then funding has to be cut; however, I have yet to hear this statement from Linden Labs and or how it is effecting their books.

Corey reading your posts gave me an idea.
Could you please IM inworld?

best regards
SerpentRouge Mendicant

HA!

hehehe ok Cristiano Is it possible for you to log on quick like so I can trade cards with you. I leave for work in about an hour so if you can't now I should be back online around 1AM eastern time.

Yes your correct on the Clothing pricing because to be honest the real Designers don't charge what thier stuff is worth anyway.

However I think based on your comment you are missing some valuable data.

#1 The Ratings were Gamed thus there was a major inequality of how the funds were dispersed because the rates were gamed.

#2 GOM and IGE have nothing to do with LL or thier decision to do this. This was arbitrated from the aspect of the grossly unfair pay outs creating a overflow of cash in world. Basically not enough Drains to ballence the influx. In other words the money was out growing the populace and creating instability in the economy.

#3 What people do with the money shouldnt matter once they get it but at the same time its how they get it is whats important. If its through legitimate business practices of selling objects music animations or whatever its fine. But when its because of a system that is able to be gamed to illicet more cash from LL its unfair.


You See Cory #3 is where your misperception comes into play because this "higher" rate being paid out they are the ones running to GOM to cash out on what is actually a free world to them.

Also this has been a touchy subject at best but SL is not a "Game" its a 3D virtual environment because Games have goals and Endings and scenerios. Second Life has none of that as its a free creation zone. LL does not dictate your next "level" as there are no levels. They dont tell you that in order to finish this quest you must beat 9 bugbears and 5 spiders and 1 dragon.

anyway I digress

Shadow

Tsk. Yes, prices adjust to fit the available pool of money. Inflation means that pool's getting big, and the individual currency unit is becomming weaker.

So I raise the price of an item to 300L$, becasue those with that kind of buying power - available cash reserve - can afford it. They have that kind of buying power becasue they sell things for similar prices.

The pool grows. Mostly due to stipend bonuses, for example.

Someone nudges a price up. They want to sell on GOM, let's say, and the weakened L$ isn't pulling down what it used to. The hike works, we have that buying power becasue the reserves are growing, and raise our prices accordingly to make sure we keep it.

Repeat.

Meanwhile, you keep getting your stipend. Your buying power is weakening because you're not trading in goods or services, you're on a fixed income.

Who's getting screwed there?

Ok, so it's simplified. *shrug* I shouldn't be posting anyway, I'm tired.

Yes attack people with accusations when they try offer their insight to the economic changes and try to clarify points. WTG. If you are hellbent and determined to turn it into a class war between oldbies/content creators vs newbies/consumers I cant stop you, but you could at least be informed so as to not look like a twit.

With my proposed system at the meeting with Phillip, this would give Ratings more real value and no value with rewards. As it stand now, Ratings will be hardly used at all. Look below:

My Proposal was to do away with Bonuses tied to Ratings, make Ratings have a cost of $2 Linden to rate someone with no reward in return, take out negative ratings. To base bonus on Longevity in game and activeness of log in and evidence by chat logs. Not to take away bonuses but to economically Budget with savings of the Rate Hog and put it back into funding with Statistics/Ratios and Account activity averages in correlation to budget balances for the Economy with allowance from these statistics and savings for Event funding.

I've been playing online "Games" for over 8 years now. It is a VERY RARE "Game" that will give you free money. You always have to work for it. Whether it is playing in some competition, killing and looting mobs, or creating and selling objects. For any kind of an economy to exist in an online world, free money simply *cannot* be pumped into the world too much, if at all. If SL is a game to you, then you should understand the concept of online games better.

The fact that SL is *not* a game, or is in fact *much more than a game*, takes it to a whole other level and discussion.

Again, I have *never* bought or sold money on GOM or IGE, nor will I ever. And I fully support the changes. I am not the only one who supports the changes and has never/will never use those services. So this argument of yours does not hold weight.

So basically blake what your saying is sort of in line with what had been saying take away the tie to weekly earned income and put it so that if people want to play the rate game the money goes to funding events basically? Am I wrong in this assumption?

OK I sincerly appologize to anyone I may have offended. It was not my intention to do so. I've decided to not quit this game or whatever you want to call it simply because the people are in general very friendly. My arguements go nowhere because of 3 reasons. 1 there is only a very small percentage of SL users that actually use these forums. 2 Of that small percentage most are the ones that use SL for income via GOM. And 3 because LL probably don't pay much attention to what the masses want. It's more about their pocket books which I guess I can understand. And by making the GOM sellers happy they have more land fees coming in. Only way to keep those people happy is to make the L worth more on GOM.

So I'm done. I'm sad now. I won't leave Sl though there are to many nice people for me to give it up yet.

Originally Posted by Corey Craven
I am frusterated that those few that make a living from GOM were able to ruin it for the rest of us.


Yes if you add that in with every person who held a bogus event and got paid linden support money for it.... and all of the people who participated in rate mining to get extra bonuses.... No one person or group of persons is to blame.

Not all content creators exchange their Lindens for USD through GOM or IGE and just as many people buy lindens through those sites. Quite frankly its none of anyones business if content creators do or not.

you have made quite alot of assumptions without proof. but i do encourage you to stick around and see how the changes go.... surprisingly they might not be that bad.

The Worldsaway virtual world pays 60T an hour for every hour you are in that world.

1. Sure.
2. Actually ... most of us on the forums do NOT use GOM (am I right here? Back me up?)
3. The Lindens are trying to help us. That's my opinion. Oh well. Not going to get into that but I haven't seen any evidence that the Lindens are out to scare their customers away. Sure, they're a business and businesses need to make money ... but first of all, they're still a pretty small company with a relatively small user base. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot if they weren't trying to keep their customers happy. Remember that they NEED people to keep playing.

Ok that's all.

Who creates the content in Worldsaway?