Who was it hurting?

I would like to know who it was hurting that we could get a whopping 2k bonus per week from ratings? The only people I can see that it really hurt was those with tons of cash to sell on GOM. I used my little pay every Tuesday to get an outfit or play some games (I never received 2k BTW). Now with that gone I won't be able to do what I enjoy with the game, shopping and playing games. The only good this severe pay cut does is for those with tons of cash to sell. People talk about wiping ratings. Why don't they wipe everyones bank rolls as well. Make it fair for ALL? I beleive the only people that constantly whined for this change in rating cost/stripend were those that didn't count on that money to have FUN with this game! I could really care less about the rating system in general. It was a way to make money. That is now taken from us (well to a great degree at least). How can it be good for an ecomomy to have far less money coming into it? Why does everyone have to suffer for the few that make a killing on GOM? If you (LL) were going to take our steady money away with our rating bonuses why didn't you at the same time impliment another way to get that same money? If money were easier to come by your rating system would never have been used in the way it was! People say money is easy to get. Those that say it are those that are very creative and know/have expensive complicated software packages. Not everyone is a design genius. Again I ask...who was it hurting??

It's hurting the economy of Second Life. We have a closed economy and if things were left alone we would have major inflation

As for software you can get everything you need via shareware and do the same as the people that spend hundreds.

Everyone in SL. Because with too much free money being pumped into the system, we were heading for an economic crash. If too much was taken away, it will be put back in by the Lindens. They are constatly watching the economic fluctuation of the SL world.

And your stipend was not taken away. Your stipend was not touched. Only your Rating Bonuses (which you got ON TOP OF your stipend) will be cut in half.

Only the ratings bonus delta was cut in half. I have been in SL for nearly 2 years, and I do not get a $2000 bonus (or even $2000 total), where did you get that number from? It is important not to continue to put out misinformation about what is actually happening.

I imagine the 3 of you that responded have nice fat bank accounts don't you. All 3 of you are probably very creative and able to make goods that people will buy aren't you. All 3 of you probably sell money on GOM don't you. This change does not hurt you does it? The 'free money' that comes to us is like in real life where you work to earn pay. The only differance is that we don't actually go to work in SL. What if your job suddenly cut your pay by half?? It would be 'good for the economy'?? The ONLY way in a game to keep things going is to keep NEW money coming into it! Now that NEW money will be drasticly less. So once again the only good I see is for the GOM price per 1K Lindens. If it was the rating system they thought was abused the NEW money should simply come from a different source then the ratings. It should NOT be taken away!

And I got the 2k thing from reading other posts. I've never received 2k either. From what I gather that is the max one can get? I could be wrong.

Corey, I am asking only where you got that number from.

You are quite correct. Only the money exchangers benefit.

now back to my rest from the Forums

Mr. Midnight I edited my last entry to say where I got that number from.

As for inflation. I beleive it has hit it's limit with the new money that was coming in. It seems the prices of clothing and such was pretty stable. Aprox $200 for an outfit. Inflation would not spin out of control with leaving our pay as it was. It's only common sense that once things got to expensive people would simply stop buying because they didn't have that kind of money and the prices would go back down. Uh very basic economics there. Once again the ONLY thing this change did was make your Linden money sell for more on GOM. THAT IS IT!

Actually, I will respond more closely to what you said. As far as your job being cut in RL, your employer is paying you that money, not the government. There are places in SL that bring in all kinds of money through rent, dwell, and item sales, yet pay their employees just a small amount and have them submit for the support from LL for an event so that they keep more profits for themselves to cash out at GOM. God forbid that they actually spend money to make money, one of the first rules of business and pay their employees for their work. If you want to treat this like a business, claim it is job income, etc.., then everyone has to play along with that.

I do have sympathy for you, because I do know what it is like to not have a lot of money in SL. Until I got into the animation business, I frequently had no money other than my stipend. I had to buy currency to pay for land because I had no income. However, we all make choices on how to play SL and to support ourselves. There is a lot of hysteria going on right now about what will or will not happen, and it is understandable. There is nothing wrong with voicing your concerns, it is just important to understand what is happening, and why. The free money being dumped into the economy at the levels it was happening ends up diluting the economy, so the L$ you have would be worth less and less, and prices would rise. It is hard to see beyond personal needs and fears to recognize when something, even something painful, is being done for the good of us all. I know that doesn't make it any easier to bear, but it is not without reason.

Just one more note:

Hurting the economy: not

Major Inflation : not

Closed Economy: Not... Just talk to the successful lobbyist the Money Exchangers and you too will see we do not have a closed economy. Why right now, the Money Exchangers are getting fat rich off the higher exchange rates caused by this action from the Lindens.

The money is selling for more on GOM right now out of panic - sales have also dropped precipitously for a lot of vendors because of all the hysteria surrounding this. It will level off and return to normal soon.

Um Corey, newsflash some of us dont care about the ratings as we make our money otherwise so when you start making comments like lets wipe everyones bank roll, like in my case ,I think you need to rethink that. Primarly because the money I recieve from LL is pittance compaired to my income from stuff I create. I don't think that is a fair assesment at all to want to even presume taking my income that I earned and not through LL Welfair away.

So as a suggestion stay on the topic of the ratings and stay way from my honestly earned money. If they took the Stipend Delta away for ratings I really wouldnt care as I dont have that much ratings anyway. But if they did Id say they need to come up with a fair method of equalizing it across the board and leave it there.

This change was designed to force the economy to stabalize however its only a stopgap until a better method has been put in place.

Earning Cash due to # of ratings points is purly unfair as the onlything it reflects in some cases is they are good clubbers or beggars. Points brought up time and again about people with high rates is some of them have no clue what a texture or a script or a prim is for that matter but they got rated tops in all fields. Which unfortunately can still happen now even with the higher cost because those people can still afford to pay people to keep their rates up.

So in essence what did cutting stip delta and raising rates do? It only slowed down the current problem and did not fix it.

So Corey, I dont mind reform, I dont mind outcry that the current system of "Rates" is unfair but never for a moment presume you know how everyone makes thier money as some of us work hard to create content for SL and to earn our Keep.

Which reminds me of another point when you say that. What of the people that go to GOM or IGE and have bought 100,000 lindens? Hmm are you saying they should just loose thier US$400 they just spent to get it?

Please dont get me wrong I see that your flustrated like many are but there is a whole lot more to the economy in SL than a simple wipe it fix. That happend the day LL endorsed GOM and IGE.

Take care and have a great day
Shadow

I would like to reply that on this forum elsewhere I have the perfect Soloution. But the Money Exchangers have decided to band together to fight it.

I seem to smell something... It smells like....

HYPER INFLATION. due to the reduction of Linden Dollars in World. and to the hoarding of money by the Money Exchangers

And so begin the conspiracy theories.

Ooh good, I like a good conspiracy theory. Is it about a feted inner core of green cheese oldbies controling Linden employees to leverage the economy so that newbies go broke?

i sell clothes in SL.. im not making 2k a week. All i make is my 500L$ plus 150L$ bonus.. then that will be halved... i'm not complaining. If SL had of started from the beginning with the idea that no1 got NE money each week, you would not be complaining now because you/we would not know any different.

you don't seem to realise that if there is less money going into the economy, the shop owners r going to loose out just as much as you, if not more.

Some people use SL to help pay for some of their school fees, help them save up for something in RL. the people that are making money in SL are WORKING for it. It is only but right - if u do not work, u do not have as much money. If that is the way they want to play the game, it's legal and fair, why should they not just so you don't feel poor against them?

Please do not make it out that all shop owners/creators in SL are the fat cats of the economy. They all work very hard. And just think, if they didn't you wouldnt be able to 'buy your new outfit every week' with your stipend'.

Uh huh.

i have been in second life for over a year and have a sum total of 3145L to my name. i've given away loads of land and freebie items the whole time i've been here. just last month i started my first business selling seasonal plants. it's the first time i've ever really tried to build a self-supporting enterprise (make money). i'll be happy if i just manage to pay tier fees and break even with the upload costs.

i have no problem with the changes either.

LMAO

and someone explain that to me we want them poor why?

I thought we wanted them to buy not stair at it.

The stipends and bonuses are nothing at all like a paycheck from a job. They are a free handout, welfare. A paycheck is compensation for providing a service to your employer.

LL has reduced the bonus portion of this free handout by 50%. I beleive Philip said the average user will receive $37L less per week.

The market is indeed a closed one, and if left unchecked would cause inflation. Alot of the malls and businesses use the $L they receive to pay tier. If the $L decreases in RL value, they would have to raise the prices of their IW products to pay tier.

Dear lord, L$2000?!

I think my bonus is something like L$20!

Hell, everyone's up in arms over what's an average of $L37.5, and we have the numbers to prove it!

As for whom it was hurting... why, everyone of course.

I do not



I'm semi-creative. I'm happy with what I make. Some people really like my stuff. My most expensive outfit that I make sells for $70Lindens for the whole outfit. Not a huge profit even when I do sell stuff. But I do it more for fun than anything else.



Never have, never will.



No it does not.


May help you to get to know the people you are trying to talk about. Helps you look less like a fool.

Mr. Shadow please forgive me if you thought I was accusing you of making money in an dishonest way. I was not. You are obviously creative and that is a gift that you have. Most do not posess that gift though and are stuck with the piddly or "pittance " to quote you of a pay day every Tuesday from LL. Saying the pittance of an amount us non creative types get every Tuesday is ruining the economy holds no water. The economy was stable! Prices were NOT going up on items. Once again the point that seems to be blatently ignore is the fact that the only change is the price you get on GOM for your Linden money. The way I see it is the people that sell bigtime on GOM are those that also pay LL a lot of cash for land and stuff. So to make those people happy LL needed to make it so those people could make more money on GOM instead of getting rid of their land and thus paying less money to the company. Us pions that aren't creative or don't see the need to spend $100's a month for a damn game just get screwed.

Er, Shadow hun... it's their theory... I'm just a conspirator, like you.

Also saying we're only losing 37 a week is crap. We are losing FAR more then that as it now costs 25 to rate someone and be rated back. That 37 loss is just a confusing number because it's being ignored that it now costs 2500% more to rate. That money lost is not being replaced by other means to fix the rating system. And honestly I don't care if people are using a GAME to pay for their school books/goodies/game fees etc. Ever hear of a part time job? You know a REAL LIFE job to accomplish this? This is a game why should it be catered to those that are paying real life bills with it? If you can't afford the 100's a month for land fees in SL don't buy the land. I can afford it, but seems quite retarded to pay. IT'S A DAMN GAME! Work in RL is unpleasureable for various reasons. You're away from family/friends, you're unable to do things you enjoy while working (unless you have a 'fun' job). In SL if we are forced to 'work' as opposed to have FUN which a game should be providing then what would be the point of playing? We play games for FUN not for work!