Is this REALLY the REAL WORLD Forum? What happened to the Nick Berg thread?

A friend called me a few minutes after watching the video, he was studdering and didnt make a bit of sense.

I chose not to watch this video, and im chosing never to watch it, the thought alone stirs up emotions I dont think satan himself could counjour up.

There is so much hate and racism on this thread it makes me feel sick

But it seems nobody cares. Why? Because it is just "Muslims", "Iraq" and "France"? If the same stupid things would have been posted about "Jews", "Israel" and "America" how many people would have been banned already? I think it is time to wake up and realize that people in the Middle East are people too, some of them good, some bad, just like everywhere in the world.

Jellin, Devlin and some others promote collective punishment, even a holocaust against Iraqi people. "Carpet bombing"! "Nuking"! Eeeekk, how sick! You have more in common with AlQuaida terrorists or 3rd Reich SS officers than you have with any of the Americans that made the US the great country of today. One of the things that has earned America its prestige was its ability to keep fashist morons like you in check. I hope it will remain that way in the future!

Concerning the original topic of this thread: I think it should be allowed to post links such as to the Berg video if they are marked with a warning about the nature of its content. Too often has this video been quoted in media and conclusions been suggested. Thus there is nothing to justify hiding it from those who wish to verify first hand what this is all about.

But I try to believe the original thread was not deleted because of the link, but because of the anti-Muslim hate flames that followed the original posting. I reported some of those posts and it only took a few minutes and the thread was gone for good.

Anshe... sometimes, if a situation looks sketchy enough, you learn to pick your battles or just walk away. It is literally impossible to tell people who are racist (but don't want to be) that they are, and fighting the battles in this thread is about the equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall.

It's -fascist-, if you're going to start calling me insulting names, at least spell them right.

BTW, I have NEVER stooped to name calling in these forums, and don't appreciate recieving it from you. As you were so very kind to tell me you reported me, I'll return the favor and tell you that I did the same. Thanks, it was cathartic.

As far as my feelings, I don't really care what your opinion is or how very much you want to forgive terrorists their outrages. Myself, I'm sick of trying to take the high road with people who time and time and time again have shown nothing but contempt for the US by wanton wholesale murder of OUR innocents. Yes, there, I said it, OUR innocents. In the greater scheme of things, I find that I'm nationalistic enough to actually, shockingly, have more sympathy and caring for my fellow US citizens than the people of other countries.

So Anshe, go make your pathetic excuses to someone else, I don't need to hear you telling me that it's somehow OUR fault that these miserable animals make bombs to blow up innocent people to promote terror. I don't care. I feel worse for the people who were just going to work that day when the bomb went off. I feel worse for the families of the people who were just out shopping when an animal decided to kill a group of people to prove some point. I feel a lot worse for people who are trying to live their lives than I do for people who stand in huge mobs screaming for the death of others and pinning their banner of terror on the name of god.

I find that after this, I no longer care for people who decide murder is the road they want to travel. I no longer care about people who uphold the hypocracy of denouncing terrorism on the one hand, while doing absolutely nothing to stop their own people from commiting acts of terror. I no longer care about people who murder in the name of god. I no longer care about people who justify and promote murder and terror and then say god wants it, that god doesn't even have to forgive murderers because the murder is done for god.

So go make your excuses Anshe, because sure, oh yes, it must be the fault of the US, it has to be because the murderers say so. Lets believe them shall we? Lets say that the US should take the role of the pacifist while murderers kill at will, shall we?

I say no! Go make your excuses for filth elsewhere.

Sorry if you were offended Anshe, but if you had read ALL the posts you should have noticed I already indicated I wasn't serious in my posts. I rarely am.

Yes Jellin, some of the statements you posted are fascist. So calling you a fascist after you suggested to eradicate all of Iraq in retaliation for the crimes of a few is not name calling but stating the facts.

I am willing to discuss this with a Linden if they feel like it

If you believe that not agreeing with your fascist point of view is equal to defending terrorism it is your problem. Personally I believe people murdering civilians should be punished, no matter if they are Iraqi, American or Israeli.

Well, I hope so. It was quite upsetting me what I read

No, let's keep it all straight here, I suggested killing the ones that fight against us as well as the ones who protect and harbor the ones that fight against us. With overwhelming force and accepting only unconditional surrender.

There, nice and clear as a bell.

Jellin's statements are fascist in the same way that baking soda is a peanut butter cookie. Formal fascism includes elements which she has mentioned but those elements in themselves are a long way from being fascist.

I watched the video the other day, and it was shocking. However, what was he doing over there? He was trying to make a buck off Iraq for his telecommunications company. I could go on and on about some of the ignorant statements made in this thread, but what's the point? If you're for this war or the war on terrorism in general. all hope is lost on you already.. I hope this makes all the pro war people as mad as your pro war posts make me.

Thank you Julian.

Yeah, he had it coming, right Jimmy?

If I went to a war zone to try to make some money off the people of the country we're occupying, I would expect the same or something similiar to happen to me.


AND it was the US who held him until violence broke out in that area.

Doesn't make me mad one bit. . .just a bit dumbfounded.

I mean, dude, we should just let the terrorists keep blowing up civilians, business districts, hotels, trains and warships. After all, it is the West's, namely America's, fault for their societies' failures.

When two people have an argument, to mediate the problem you'd usually find out what is angering both sides and then try to resolve the issue from there. The United States does shady things ALL over the World. The war on terror is designed to be a neverending battle. I'm not surprised people are mad at us. They're mad to the point of hopelessness; loss of celebration of life.. because, yes, in many places they are living poorly because of us whether it be through direct US actions or US foreign policy. I'd suggest reading news outside of mainstream Americas eye. I'd start by visiting www.Truthout.org. Also, reading news online from other countries can help give you an unbiased view of what is going on.

which countries would serve up unbiased views?

did I miss something? I thought you mentioned something about truthout.org was outside the mainstream...did you mean mainstream reality?

I mean if you read articles from more than one source, or more than one country it will help you put together a more clear picture of what is going on. Say what you will about Truthout.org. Their articles and the candid snapshots of events going on in the World daily illustrate the fact of the onesidedness of mainstream American media. Champ, I bet you didn't even read one article on Truthout.org. If you did, you are a prime example of what I mean when I say all hope is lost on those pro war. You can give them facts and evidence, and they'll ignorantly turn their nose up to it.

Well gee, I guess that makes it all ok that he got killed like that. At least that what it sounds like you;re trying to say.

More apologies for the terrorists. "So sorry he had to die, but it's all really our fault"

It seems that it's become very hip and fashionable to take any view, just as long as it's an anti-american view. Any story or idea that paints the US in a bad light becomes the correct story or idea. If it's anti-US then it MUST be right.

It's attitudes like this that have come to sicken me.

Go rally around the flag jellin, because as I've said there is no getting the concept of truth and fairness for all through to your type. I have no more to say on this subject, but every post like yours helps to prove my point.

Jimmy I can say that I've only seen news programs from two different countries--the BBC from Britain and eco and TV Azteca from Mexico. Believe it or not, these three news organizations are biased, especially eco. Man eco is critical of everything the U.S. does. All they have left to say is, "Somos anti-gringos." It saddens me that so many people of the country I was born in are anti-American. Heck even many of my relatives down in Mexico are anti-U.S. My relatives are simultaneously in awe and resentful of U.S. power.

So you see, so far I don't see how I can get the "concept of truth and fairness" through foreign news services.



I think most of us know that the mainstream American media is onesided--and it tends to lean to the left. And Truthout.org seems to lean to the left even more, so I would question their journalistic integrity.

Do you ever visit other websites outside the mainstream American media such as nationalreview.com or weeklystandard.com? "NO?!" Is it because they lean to the right?

Just because you get news from sources outside the mainstream American media doesn't mean that they are not biased. The truth may be that there is no unbiased news source. So how do we get a "clear picture of what's going on?"

hmmmmm. . .

You can't get clear picture, but at least try get less obscured picture:

1. Read your own media
2. Read enemy media
3. Read neutral country media
4. What you find in all three sources has relatively high probability to be somewhat close to truth
5. What is reported differently you might do your own researches on by reading more sources, try to find reports from witnesses in the area (yes, that is sometimes possible to find on the web!)

Sometimes you should also benchmark media source you use. This means you look for what they reported one year ago and compare it to what is known about it by now. Were they wrong a year ago? Did they tell the truth? How often did they lie, downplay something, overhype something or not report about important events?

Yeah... I'm sure he was paid WELL by those villagers in Ghana after he showed them how to make bricks. They say he returned with only the clothes on his back, because he gave everything else away. From what I've heard, he actually cared about other people and was a pretty nice guy. What? Someone who isn't anti-war who is actually trying to HELP people? OMG!

God forbid he try to "make a buck" helping to rebuild a devastated country.

"He was an adventuresome type and always wanted to help people, even when it was difficult," - from the BBC news website

--Just another hopeless "pro-war" Iraqi baby killer

American media leans to the left? Ahahahahahahahahaha! It used to a long long time ago, but American media leans way to the right these days. Fox News anyone? American media is just corporate sugar coated crap designed to give the audience what they want to hear. They're ratings whores. The problem isn't really the media itself, it's the audience that consumes it. If people demanded and only supported objective media then we'd have objective media because it would be what sells best. Since the country as a whole has taken a very conservative turn the media reflects it.

Truthout is a great site, but it leans way left. No disputing that. I find that Alternet.org is a better alternative and tends to be a bit more centrist while still featuring non-mainstream news sources. I enjoy reading both sites for the same reasons other people enjoy the weekly standard or national review... they spin things the way I like to hear them. It's still spin though. I try to read sources from all over and figure the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Ehh...debatable and really, where media is on the political spectrum is completely relative to where you are on it. Fox isn't half as bad as people say it is. I rarely watch Fox news but they have their "TURMOIL IN IRAQ" headlines just like the others do. ALL of them are guilty of sensationalism and focusing on what gets the ratings, some spend more time in certain areas than others. Big surprise huh...