New Island Project

Where's Panda? We need a poopy diaper t-shirt.

Nope. The Lindens could have made the opportunity available to anyone who wanted to put their dispensors on their land. But they couldn't think how to do this fairly after their unfair promotion of certain oldbies was pointed out. They could have said they'd only award the dispensors to those with high traffic already. Or they could have said they'd have a lottery for the dispensors, who the hell knows. THEY were the ones who decided give them to nobody, not me.

I fell in love with the idea of a Newbie Isle back when it was first brought up within the Mentors group. Alas, the Lindens dropped the ball and never did anything with it. If they are still planning to do something along these lines, now would be a nice time for them to let us in on it.

I'm not sure HOW I could help as I am not a builder/scripter/etc.. but count me in if you need some more general help. One of the things I pushed for within the mentor discussion for a newbie isle was for a general "Help Desk" location where some of us could simply sit and be available for newbs to find us if they had any questions. Similiar to Live Help, but face to face and devoted to newbies and those questions we all seemed to have at first. (I bought a shirt.. why am I wearing a box???) *grin*

I'm whining when Schwan networks with players clamouring for him to get referrals from the Lindens and even automatic log-ins complete with full-fledged membership in Schwan's groups and land-marks to Schwan's islands. That's normal in a democratic society to debate such privilege systems, Ingrid.

Or did you also want every newbie who logs in to have a gift bag with I Hate Prokofy t-shirts already included?

In the old days of the 'net, almost every web page had a "links" page. This was a bunch of links to other websites. You could basicly "navigate" the web this way, and many people did. But it wasn't effecient. The lists started getting huge, reduntant, and slow.

Then the search engines started to get more popular. First came Yahoo! in the big names, then we got the others gaining more support. Then Dogpile, then finally Google came around.

Nowadays, the "link" pages have subsided. They still exist, but only in moderation, and basicly serve to be more of a nod to another website than a functional means of web navigation.

People realized that the old system was clunky, and replaced it with something better. Faster, searchable, etc.

I see this as the same thing. Except LL has already given us a search engine, albiet one that could use some fine tuning.

Two people suggested ANYTHING to do with this. One was Blaze.

Swan never did.

The "players clamouring" were clamouring to help by donating time, effort, money, skill, etc.

No one is stopping you from doing this yourself. He's not priveledged. Go for it.

Considering your stand on security scripts, I find this laughably hypocritical.

Exactly!

Prokofy,

I don't have a private island, so I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that the tools to control access to the sim are better. It would be up to Schwan whether or not he wants to group people, but the ability to ban chronic griefers would be more effective than it is on the mainland.

But like I said, I might have misunderstood the tools available to private sim owners. That aside, I still think that the idea of consolidating a number of newbie needs into one area is not a bad idea and in fact, has been done by others on a smaller scale.

Though I can't see Schwan's newbie land excluding things that others do for newbies, such as Yandi's Junk Yard or the area the Lindens have in Stillman or The Learning Center or the Ivory Tower of Primatives. There are numerous others. Those will still exist, this will just be another option. As I see it, the more options people have to learn, the better.

I abhor closed, gated communities in RL and in SL, but I just don't see what Schwan is proposing as a closed community. He posted in the forum and asked for assistance, he did not just IM all his buddies and leave everyone else out.

There are a lot of private sims that are not closed, gated communities but are in fact areas where the sim owner encourages everyone to visit.

It's not always about making money or preventing others from making money. Sometimes it's not about money at all.

Just my 2 lindens.

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You're whining when anyone is doing something you did not yourself think of. The problem here, is again, none of the gloom and doom Linden collusion you are screaming about has been proposed, or has happened. You have already attributed all kinds of nefarious motives and fake altruism to a project you know nothing about, just because that is what you do. You piss all over everything. It is both tiresome and ineffective - ultimately, your disdain about a project is the litmus test to it being a great idea. Thank you for giving it a seal of disapproval - if it irks you, then everyone must be doing something right.

Schwan, I would like to help. Building and texturing are my fortes. I could teach or help with the infrastructure, dependant upon your needs. Contact me in-world or through a PM.

Disclaimer - I have never volunteered for a player run project proposed on the forums before. I have been in the same parcel with Schwanson maybe 6 times in my Second Life. We have never talked in-world unless it was me pestering Schwan about land I needed to quickly dump, even then, he never bought from me. I expect to gain nothing from this. So please hold the assumptions and conspiracy theories.

Then why did he name his new son Nolan? Something doesn't add up, buddy.

Prokofy, everything you cited were situations that had occured, not hypothetical "might be" or "probably" situations that are in no way guaranteed to happen.

When Schwanson starts getting actual, honest to God Linden support for his project, to the exclusion of everyone else, I'll be there whooping it up with ya - because I already belong to a different noob help group. That's why I'm not volunteering for this one - I only have so much time.

From what I can interpret from your posts here:

1. You believe Schwanson's goal is to boost his own sales indirectly by offering noob support, as opposed to pure-as-snow benevolency. Again, I believe no one's actions are entirely without self-interest, and I'm sure as a philosophical discussion its been done to death. As a business owner, you yourself benefit from assisting new players in this manner, yet because you haven't asked if anyone else would like to help, are you automatically exempt from the judgement you're laying down on Schwanson? I fail to see any other difference.

2. You're proactively protesting Linden support for Schwanson's project. The problem with proactively protesting something is that you're mostly taking shots in the dark against what you *think* might happen. There is every possibility that LL will institute a fairly-enacted agenda designed to give equal exposure for every noob support group that requests it. With your ability to see the potential pitfalls in any scenario, I'm sure you would be invaluable in the initial groundwork of developing this project. *points to Feature Suggestions*

The constructive points you're trying to get across in part 2 are overshadowed by your vitrol in part 1.

Yeah - I was immediately suspicious of the relationship when I learned that Nolan named his new sheep Schwan.

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But I already do this by helping newbies, getting them set up with homes and vendors, putting them into touch with each other first and foremost, so they can bolster each others' businesses, not just oldbie businesses, and help differentiate the economy.

I'm glad there's no Linden collusion. Part of the way you prevent Linden collusion is getting in very, very early and screaming. I find if you don't, it's too late afterwards.

I do find it to be fake altruism, yes, when someone simply sets up a closed loop to encourage himself a group of customers who are going to be endlessly referred to a closed list of merchandisers. Absolutely. It's just about traffic/dwell/business/sales. Let's not dress it up. If it would just appear as what it is -- institutionalizing favourtism, creating a program to provide loss leaders for the eventual goal of gaining that closed spam list of merchandisers and customers. Gaining a group spam list, a closed loop, is the prize of this closed-economy game. I see how it works. Make the group, then forever after, go to that group and say "Oh, look here, THIS is the Tringo game you need to play, THESE are the clothes you need to wear, " etc. Um, yeah, it's um..."networking" lol.

I'm sure if I shut up, and sucked up to Schwanson, and came and gave free lessons on his land and game him my dwell and my network's dwell, I'd be rewarded by having him pitch me some renters.

But I don't need or want him to do that so I don't suck up LOL. It's just that simpler. I want a bigger, freer, more diversified economy.

I'm sure a big fat welcome island with funnelling if not from Lindens officially, at least unofficially from Liaisons who were formerly old players and now are Lindens, will be a success of sorts. I'm not going to help it along, no. I'm not going to worry about it sucking off my own stream of newbs LOL. Like I said, there are plenty of newbs to go around.

If you need a common enemy to help you bond despite your considerable differences, Cristiano, you're welcome to use me. I don't even have to be online for you to do that.

Prokofy,

The only person who has any differences, honestly, is you. You create these fake divides and us against them rhetoric, and it really just points to an amazing amount of self-hatred that you have, which manifests itself as endless disdain for anything done by anyone who set foot in SL earlier than you did. When you are funneling newbies into your mediocre properties for sake of profit, it is somehow altruistic ("I'm helping them find their first home!", but people willing to teach others how to build, texture, script (all those scary things you hate so much) are some how only in it for the money. Tell me, if this had been proposed by Anshe, would you still be bitching? Which is it, you can't have it both ways. I know you often try to (you whine about evil security scripts and then mock someone wanting to use the increased controls an a private island to make it a safer environment), but it never works.

Nothing you say ever holds up to any scrutiny, no matter how many paragraphs you throw at it, no matter how much you whine and misattribute quotes and throw in references to Mother Russia. In the end, all you do is knock anything that anyone else does. Fine, we get it, Prokofy HATES EVERYTHING (well except CrystalShard's notecard script, even though her tv script is evil because it's free). As long as it benefits Prokofy, you are gung ho about it. If it benefits anyone else, then you scream like a banshee in heat. The problem is you scream so much that it's all just white noise at this point.

This directly contradicts the examples you gave me where your kicking and screaming DID change already-instituted policies.








Extrapolation and insinuation without basis in fact. Assumptions of what you think Schwanson and crew are going to do - not what they have done or even have said they will do.



Now see, was that fair at all? Of course not. That's making an assumption based on a personal belief that you're a person that rewards support or friendship with financial gain. That seems rather like a personal attack on Schwanson's character.

A closed loop would be one where people are excluded, I don't see anyone excluded from Schwans offer.

How is someone asking for assistance and others offering assistance sucking up on behalf of those offering? I think I must be missing something here Prof.

Also, as a mentor I do look for ways to help new people. I have a landmark note card that I made up on my own for Newbies. It lists every possible place that I know about were a newbie can get assistance, free content and classes.

I include everyone that I possibly can based on research that I did in world and I have also posted on the forums asking people if any one has something for newbies and would like to be included in the list. My only criteria for being included on the note card is that the service or content has to be helpful to a new person and that it has to be 1$ L or less.

Ive recently had some RL time constraints and things are added or changed in SL so frequently that I may have not gotten to including some places on the note card but if someone IM's me and says "I have some free appartments or a free box of goodies" then I add them. It dosen't matter to me who they are. It's not a conspiracy to exclude or re-direct anyone, it's a gift of information to a new person.

I view what Schwan is proposing as something similar, just on a much larger scale.

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You caught me!

Nah, white noise actually produces a pleasant waveform.

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Excuse me, but the newbs who are funnelled to Schwans (we still don't know the particulars) or who just naturally gravitate to Schwans if he uses his power/size/rep/age/etc. in the game to get them, have no choice. They are just newbs.

But when they arrive at Schwanson's, they are looped into a protectionist system where they see all the merchandise only of Schwan's friends and only if they provide their services for free now, and only if they continue to suck up and not criticize.

You're not going to be seeing Schwan putting up a sign for my services when I haven't a) sucked up to him or b) provided free services to his loss leader for the eventual perk of getting business thrown my way. (BTW, if he runs my ads on his lot to be cute, my critique won't change : )



And the answer is: because if I get into bed with Schwan and his sheep now by offering him free work like free lessons and give him my dwell and my network's dwell, why, I, too, can get in line to get the payola of having customers and business thrown my way down the line.



Then you can add my offices to the list because I have a tier donation and first-land buying program and all kinds of ways I help newbies. But you won't. And you don't have to. Stay with Schwan and the sheep, it's OK.



Oh, well if it has to be $1 or less, then I won't participate, unless you include classes which are free without admission charges of course. Because I provide services to newbies of all kinds, at a very low cost, but I do expect them to pay at least something. And that's a good idea generally because it teaches them the value of work, land, and business, something they had better get used to in a game based on land value.



Well, but you're still funnelling to the freebie-givers, and the freebie-givers are just creating spam lists for often quite high-priced merchandise they hope to sell to those same newbies LOL.



Yeah, it's a racket LOL.

STFU!

(Good God, this lunacy has turned me into Ryan Jade.)

~Ulrika~

OMG hehehehe just spewed coke on my monitor

IF so many people will be helping out .. with totally divergent interests and opinions on what is fun in Second Life ,

How will the original Poster maintain his Ebil monopoly on all things NEWB ??..

Some helper will slip and tell a newbie about the big world out there and before you know it they will be traveling back and forth.

I dunno this idea needs a more radical tyrant .. iron clad contract signed in blood that all these new players will remain newbies forever and ever to serve the Original posters will.

HEHE