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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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12-20-2004 09:27
Or contributing to forum pollution and de-beautification?
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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12-20-2004 09:28
oh but then you would be an accomplice
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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12-20-2004 09:30
*Tries to find a Virtual Law Book*.
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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12-20-2004 09:38
Blake I think you are not getting enough attention in real life because you seem desperate to get it here in the forums.
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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12-20-2004 09:43
Blake I think you are not getting enough attention in real life because you seem desperate to get it here in the forums. Im not the only one that Posts a Thread. Taco brought up a good issue and contreversy, nothing wrong with addressing it. _____________________
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,941
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12-20-2004 09:49
Lack of breast feeding perhaps?
FREE TACO! FREE TACOS! DOWN WITH REPRESSION OF PANTIES! UP WITH SKIRTS! SAVE THE BEAVERS! STOP THE PHOTO-FACISTS! I LIKE ICE CREAM! Sorry..just practicing my potest slogans... _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-20-2004 09:54
Kirk: IF...WE....CAN'T TAKE UPSKIRT.......PHOTOS.....WHERE DO WE.....DRAW THE LINE?! Nice one Aimee!!!! Can we call it the Trouble With Tribbles....err.... VR fur??? Tribble!! LOL what a great nickname for girlbits! -aimee |
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Chuck Beckett
Registered User
Join date: 9 Aug 2004
Posts: 84
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Please File Abuse Reports Against The Upskirt Picture Display
12-20-2004 09:56
Rather than rehash the seemingly endless debate from another thread, those who are opposed to Taco Rubio's upskirt picture display might want to file abuse reports using the abuse report tool located under the Help menu in the Second Life main menu bar, and encourage others of similar mind to do so as well.
The filing of abuse reports need not be limited to abuse against one's self, nor need you increase Taco Rubio's dwell by visiting the display yourself. The Linden Lab employee(s) charged with responding to the abuse report should inspect the site on their own as part of their job requirements. If you need help filing an abuse report against Taco Rubio's upskirt photo display, you may contact an inworld Liason or use the Live Help system for assistance. The abuse report text edit control is limited in size, and thus I have filed 4 separate reports for each section of the Community Standards document I feel has been violated. Below are the gist of the reports I have filed: Report 1: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 1: The use of derogatory or demeaning ... images in reference to another Resident's ... gender ... is never allowed in Second Life. Report 2: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 2: " offensively coarse", "intimidating" "constitutes unwelcome sexual advances", and "is otherwise likely to cause annoyance or alarm". Report 3: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 4: "Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives." Genital imagery deserves privacy protection just as does chat text. Report 4: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & displayed without permission violate the CS's goals: "The goals of the Community Standards are simple: treat each other with respect". |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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12-20-2004 10:01
Rather than rehash the seemingly endless debate from another thread, those who are opposed to Taco Rubio's upskirt picture display might want to file abuse reports using the abuse report tool located under the Help menu in the Second Life main menu bar, and encourage others of similar mind to do so as well. The filing of abuse reports need not be limited to abuse against one's self, nor need you increase Taco Rubio's dwell by visiting the display yourself. The Linden Lab employee(s) charged with responding to the abuse report should inspect the site on their own as part of their job requirements. If you need help filing an abuse report against Taco Rubio's upskirt photo display, you may contact an inworld Liason or use the Live Help sysem for assistance. The abuse report text edit control is limited in size, and thus I have filed 4 separate reports for each section of the Community Standards document I feel has been violated. Below are the gist of the reports I have filed: Report 1: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 1: The use of derogatory or demeaning ... images in reference to another Resident's ... gender ... is never allowed in Second Life. Report 2: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 2: " offensively coarse", "intimidating" "constitutes unwelcome sexual advances", and "is otherwise likely to cause annoyance or alarm". Report 3: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 4: "Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives." Genital imagery deserves privacy protection just as does chat text. Report 4: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & displayed without permission violate the CS's goals: "The goals of the Community Standards are simple: treat each other with respect". Prosicution has spoken. *Awaits opening statement of Defense* _____________________
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
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12-20-2004 10:06
Report 1: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 1: The use of derogatory or demeaning ... images in reference to another Resident's ... gender ... is never allowed in Second Life. How is wearing panties derogatroy. Or not wearing them? He didn't post or display anything derogatory or demeaning. If panties and/or bits are demeaning to female avs, why are they wearing them? Thus this point is invalid. Report 2: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 2: " offensively coarse", "intimidating" "constitutes unwelcome sexual advances", and "is otherwise likely to cause annoyance or alarm". how is taking a picture a sexual advance? He didn't proposition or make any sexual advances toward his subjects. Nor did he, at the time of the picture taking, cause alarm or annoyance. Thus this point is invalid. Report 3: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & shown without permission violate CS section 4: "Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives." Genital imagery deserves privacy protection just as does chat text. These pictures were all taken in public places and anyone is free to swing their cameras and hit thier snapshot buttons in anyway they desire in public areas. Also, you conveniently left out part of this section that further ecxplains what they mean by privacy; chat logs and RL inormation. Thus this point is invalid. Report 4: Taco Rubio's "Upskirt" pictures at Whinlatter 168, 78 taken & displayed without permission violate the CS's goals: "The goals of the Community Standards are simple: treat each other with respect". While you may have a point on this one, the respect in this case would be a matter of personal morals/opinions as he wasn't outright disrespectful, and many don't consider unaltered pictures of pixels taken in public as disrespectful _____________________
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
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12-20-2004 10:11
How is wearing panties derogatroy. Or not wearing them? He didn't post or display anything derogatory or demeaning. If panties and/or bits are demeaning to female avs, why are they wearing them? Thus this point is invalid. how is taking a picture a sexual advance? He didn't proposition or make any sexual advances toward his subjects. Nor did he, at the time of the picture taking, cause alarm or annoyance. Thus this point is invalid. These pictures were all taken in public places and anyone is free to swing their cameras and hit thier snapshot buttons in anyway they desire in public areas. Also, you conveniently left out part of this section that further ecxplains what they mean by privacy; chat logs and RL inormation. Thus this point is invalid. While you may have a point on this one, the respect in this case would be a matter of personal morals/opinions as he wasn't outright disrespectful, and many don't consider unaltered pictures of pixels taken in public as disrespectful Opening statement of Defense noted. *Awaits Rebuttle* _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-20-2004 10:13
Well Chuck if you are gonna cross post your "file an abuse report" message I will cross post my reply. I think It's actually more relevant here than the other thread since it states my finals thought's on the issue.
Thank you (again) Chuck, and your point is pretty much my conclusion. Sparring over this issue in the forums was engaging for a while. But as we near the 40 page mark two things have become clear: 1. Minds are not going to change on this issue. 2. 40 pages are just too much for newcomers to read, so they are mostly going to restate previously addressed issues. So it boils down to this. If Taco's opinions on SL consent for genital photos are something you believe in, visit Taco's museum and drop him a donation. If this is something you think is a TOS violation, or should be, file an abuse report. If the Lindens take no action then it will be an issue between you and the Lindens. WWAD? (What Would Aimee Do?). At this time I have not filed an abuse report against Taco. I WILL file a harassment complaint if I find an upskirt picture of ME. Since Taco has declared sneaking as a protected artistic right, I may never KNOW if I am on display somewhere in the ever growing SL world. We will all have to rely on our friends to give each other the heads-up when one of these images is spotted. As a rule, I make it a point to wear underwear under skirts, but sometimes while working on *PREEN* outfits I will be in a flurry of wardrobe changes and I may forget something. To Taco, forgetting is implied consent, therefore your image is HIS. This is not a debate, the debate is over. It's just a reminder to everybody that...well...Taco is out there! Watch you're backsides girls and look out for each other. On a related note, I was working on *PREEN* promo images for the upcoming winter release and I noticed one of the images was an upskirt!! This is not technically "art" as the breath-taking model (Mistress Midnight) gave consent for the photo to be taken, for it to be used in promos, and for it to be posted here. If that kills the thrill for anybody...just pretend she doesn't know -aimee |
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Mistress Midnight
pfft!!
Join date: 13 May 2003
Posts: 346
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12-20-2004 10:16
Well so far the poll is extremely in Taco's favor. uh lol when you divide up three "punishments for him being wrong" and one "he's ok" him having 46% in his favor doesnt make him right you should have put "taco is right" and "taco is wrong" I see it as taco's losin this battle, far more people didnt click the top choice ![]() _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-20-2004 10:19
uh lol when you divide up three "punishments for him being wrong" and one "he's ok" him having 46% in his favor doesnt make him right you should have put "taco is right" and "taco is wrong" I see it as taco's losin this battle, far more people didnt click the top choice ![]() Right it's about 41%-59% in favor of "Taco did something wrong". The 59% against taco are just divided on how to punish him. -aimee |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
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12-20-2004 10:19
Any objections from Defense?
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Blake Rockwell
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12-20-2004 10:31
Right it's about 41%-59% in favor of "Taco did something wrong". The 59% against taco are just divided on how to punish him. -aimee You are correct, the Poll results show the level of punishment; so far the level is "He's done nothing wrong. The outcome voted for the one punishment by Majority are self explanatory. _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-20-2004 10:37
You are correct, the Poll results in the level of punishment; so far the level is "He's done nothing wrong. Ummm I think maybe you and I are reading this differently. If you are are looking at the poll trying to interpret what people THINK, then 59% of the people think Taco DID something wrong. If you are looking for a technical WINNER at the resolution of this poll, then it's "taco did nothing wrong" because you have divided up the "taco DID do something wrong" option so that it would be more difficult for it to obtain a majority. Think what would happen if THESE were your poll answer: 1. Taco is blame free and a hero to the SL community 2. Taco's activities are debatable but all in all he is innocent 3. Taco's behavior has been sketchy and i disagree with him, but this is NOT a violation. 4. I hate taco but i believe in fighting for artistic rights...INNOCENT 5. Taco is wrong and should be punished. You can get any winner you like by dividing the opposing votes making a majority nearly impossible, so rather than look for a majority, I am interpreting the opinions stated, and right now that opinion is about an 20% margin in favor of "TACO DID SOMETHING WRONG" -aimee |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
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12-20-2004 10:39
Ummm I think maybe you and I are reading this differently. If you are are looking at the poll trying to interpret what people THINK, then 59% of the people think Taco DID something wrong. If you are looking for a technical WINNER at the resolution of this poll, then it's "taco did nothing wrong" because you have divided up the "taco DID do something wrong" option so that it would be more difficult for it to obtain a majority. Think what would happen if THESE were your poll answer: 1. Taco is blame free and a hero to the SL community 2. Taco's activities are debatable but all in all he is innocent 3. Taco's behavior has been sketchy and i disagree with him, but this is NOT a violation. 4. I hate taco but i believe in fighting for artistic rights...INNOCENT 5. Taco is wrong and should be punished. You can get any winner you like by dividing the opposing votes making a majority nearly impossible, so rather than look for a majority, I am interpreting the opinions stated, and right now that opinion is about an 18% margin in favor of "TACO DID SOMETHING WRONG" -aimee Speculation. Weather he is guilty or not guilty isn't the question..the level of punishment by one level by a majority is. _____________________
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
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12-20-2004 10:43
Ummm I think maybe you and I are reading this differently. If you are are looking at the poll trying to interpret what people THINK, then 59% of the people think Taco DID something wrong. If you are looking for a technical WINNER at the resolution of this poll, then it's "taco did nothing wrong" because you have divided up the "taco DID do something wrong" option so that it would be more difficult for it to obtain a majority. Think what would happen if THESE were your poll answer: 1. Taco is blame free and a hero to the SL community 2. Taco's activities are debatable but all in all he is innocent 3. Taco's behavior has been sketchy and i disagree with him, but this is NOT a violation. 4. I hate taco but i believe in fighting for artistic rights...INNOCENT 5. Taco is wrong and should be punished. You can get any winner you like by dividing the opposing votes making a majority nearly impossible, so rather than look for a majority, I am interpreting the opinions stated, and right now that opinion is about an 20% margin in favor of "TACO DID SOMETHING WRONG" -aimee I'm note sure if "Make him Post his own Crotch Picture" should be included in the "I did something ""Wrong"" category, as it also could include voters who consider it a joke. If we remove those it's a virtual tie, isn't it? |
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
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12-20-2004 10:47
I'm note sure if "Make him Post his own Crotch Picture" should be included in the "I did something ""Wrong"" category, as it also could include voters who consider it a joke. If we remove those it's a virtual tie, isn't it? OK THANK YOU. I am glad Taco understands basic polling and statistics. Well taco it's hard to know what "Make him post his own crotch" voters would do if that option was unavailable. But if we guess that half of them would go to your side that would make it about 43 - 57 against you. -aimee |
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-20-2004 10:51
OK THANK YOU. I am glad Taco understands basic polling and statistics. Well taco it's hard to know what "Make him post his own crotch" voters would do if that option was unavailable. But if we guess that half of them would go to your side that would make it about 43 - 57 against you. -aimee Well, at least we can agree that Blake has no idea how to set up a statistically meaningful poll. ![]() |
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Blake Rockwell
Fun Businesses
Join date: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,606
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12-20-2004 10:51
OK THANK YOU. I am glad Taco understands basic polling and statistics. Well taco it's hard to know what "Make him post his own crotch" voters would do if that option was unavailable. But if we guess that half of them would go to your side that would make it about 43 - 57 against you. -aimee Again Speculation..therefore the two Majority votes are the issue..others are discounted, just as in a Independent Party Poll, therefore irrelevant. _____________________
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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12-20-2004 10:55
Well, at least we can agree that Blake has no idea how to set up a statistically meaningful poll. ![]() YAY common ground. Maybe there CAN be peace between our peoples. |
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Kiari LeFay
Lemon Flavored Fish Treat
Join date: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 223
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12-20-2004 10:57
Hey Taco, It's 50$ USD to publish my coochie without permission. Pay up.
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
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12-20-2004 11:00
Hey Taco, It's 50$ USD to publish my coochie without permission. Pay up. but if I paid you, that would be permission! Sorry, otherwise I totally would. |