Costume Party in Neaultenberg

Because every not-death option presented to him involved saying "My life is more important to me than my convicitions", implicitly or not.

by accepting any form of punishment, be it death exile, or peanut butter, isn't he accepting his culpability? afterall, he killed himself willingly, he wasn't put to death.

(i see his choice in a different light than later fiction/history of christian martyrdom.)

btw, please don't interpret my posts in an antagonistic manner. i'm just interested in a discussion on politics and not simply because i find it to be the most fascinating aspect of SL but. with a lot of discontent over LL's handling of various inworld and forum conflicts, i think limited sovereignty of various player communities is a good option to be available to the greater player community. in my opinion what ulrika and kendra are doing is a proactive measure for resolving these problems; similar to the lusk community but perhaps a different social contract.

The Costume Party will challenge those in power who feel that free speach and anarchy are tolerable only when fit into a little cookie cutter mold.

We differ from the Anarchists because we like to wear silly hats.

- Ace

Not exactly true.

He was sentanced to die by drinking hemlock. The state made him his own executioner, but he very much was put to death. This part of the story gets distorted alot in an attempt to glorify his death.

When the verdict of guilty was pronounced, the court was unable to decide punishment for him. Socrates was then offered the oportunity to recommend his own sentance (How's that for the ultimate question?). His suggestion was a monentary fine befitting his actions (Initially, he suggested just the opposite, that he deserved a reward). This is where one of the chances for exile occoured, it was commonly thought that that was what he should have suggested and that the jury would most likely have granted it to him. Here, however, Socrates would not suggest exile because he did not believe it was a just punishment for his actions. The jury instead sentanced him to death.

By accepting death and not fleeing (or eating peanut butter), he said to the world that he was so convinced of his beliefs that he was willing to accept the state's judgement against him for those very beliefs.

I love the Olde London dresses... By all means.

- Ace

We of the SDF feel the "speach" is spelled "speech" and consider the animated chicken hat to be not only the founding hat of Neualtenburg but quite likely a sillier hat then your party is likely to come up with.

Frankly I still don't see where your party adds anything that isn't already in the mix --I encourage you to join the SDF --we have sillier hats.

I would like to formally apologize to those that may have been offended by the sometimes vitriolic rhetoric of the Costume Party. I was unaware of how sensitive some are to challenges and dissent, and I promise to not try and make them cry again.

- Ace

We, of the Costume Party, rarely take issue with poor spelling either.

- Ace

One can tell --besides --we still have sillier hats than you.

Sweetie --I can out silly you any day of the week.
While I welcome you to join in --I still see no eveidence you are bringing anything new to the table.

I would suggest that dissent, anchored in parody and mischief, is quite a lot to bring to the table. In fact, by what the Costume Party has seen so far, it seems that what we bring to the table is more than the hosts/hostesses care to see.

We'll clean up the broken dishes when we're all done, if that will make you feel better.

- Ace

Mornin, Ace We have known each other since before both our SL days and I respect you and am always proud to call you and lilone long time friends

I understand why you made the Costume Party and it always gives me a grin I cant join it though for the same reason I cant post in any of the Neualtenburg group threads. If I was to do so I feel it would imply acceptance of player ran governments in SL.

I also notice recently that some in Nuealtenberg group keep saying, come join us, you can start your own party. Or you can join one of the existing parties!! I see this as nothing more than a recruiting ploy.

I left it because of an incident that made my acceptance of the group go against my RL beliefs. I cant understand why adding more, uninforcable rules and laws, to SL being considered 'growth'.

nuff said, carry on Ace, it can be fun

It assumes that dissent anchored in pardody and mischief doesn't exist there yet.
I see you saying you'll be silly --but anyone can say that --show me the silly, silly.

Right now I just see a big ol' grumpy guss.

Speaking for myself, Toy --I can honestly say I have no intentions of recruiting you. Feel better?

Kendra, even you know that would be futile I am against everything you supposedly stand for

You have no clue what I stand for.

Good answer. Perhaps not wise, however -- given the antipathy of much of the SL population toward government, the obvious fact that government in the N. project is in trouble even before it is operational, and that tired-and-traditional representational government (and tired-and-traditional squabbles) doesn't take into account the technical, procedural, and philosophical opportunities of Second Life.

Echoing Jauani's sentiment in a slightly different way: Why mimic? Why copy? Why not invent? Start with the political definition of a human being in Second Life, and move from there to fundamental rights and necessary limits as defined by the virtual environment itself. (Ex.: Does everyone have the right to fly where and when they want to? Parcel ownership gives what rights to restrict the SL of other residents? Can you cybersex in anyone's build? Should there be lag laws to insure basic freedoms? Endless possibilities.) Then move on to process -- and I'd say a town commons is a good place to start. Growth can be handled partly by using the existing technical capabilities for efficient communications in creative ways, reducing the need for incumberances such as bureaucracy and parties.

Unless the N. project is meant to be a simulcrum of real life -- but in that case, why bother? Go join a real political process.

I cherish our long-held friendship as well Toy, and I certainly understand where you're coming from. I would say that our views are similar in many respects, its just that our tactics differ. You would prefer to simply step aside and go on with your Second Life, while I would rather roll up my sleeves, disturb a little shit, and then see where it all runs from there.

Both approaches are valid.

Hugs to Angelique for me, please...

- Ace

perhaps I know more than you assume I do. I had considered rejoining and starting a party last week. I would have only one platform. It would only stand for the existing TOS and CS in SL. The true government

Ulrika required a public apology for my earlier name calling, which I have already offered in this thread, as a pre-condition to my citizenship in Neualtenberg.

I wonder if the same will be asked of you.

Or is there a difference between "overly constipated fools" and "big ol' grumpy gusses"?

- Ace

P.S. "Right" is usually spelled without a preceding "I"

Ya don't know me, kiddo --sorry.
And the existing TOS and CS is already upheld in Nuealtenburg.

I personally don't see a difference between what you and Ace are doing as coming over to a build someone thinks is attractive and is very proud and fond of --and pointing out that you think it's ugly and poorly built.

In short --you seem to feel that being insulting is free speech.

You are coorect --it is free speech. It's also incredibly rude.

If I truly hurt your feelings I apologize.
We both know, however, that I didn't .

What's wrong --dontcha know silly, silly?

You didn't hurt my feelings, so I guess the apology is empty.

- Ace

just as empty as asking for one.

Please explain that to Ulrika for me.

- Ace

kendra, one of the big differences between us is I dont viel my rudeness
As far as what building has been done in Nuealtenburg, I find it very well done

I also apologize if me posting about whats being done as far as a government there upsets you. It wasnt my intention. But I do believe I have every right to post my thoughts