Haha, locked

To quote Jeska on the thread she locked:



The only confusion is being caused by your lack of consistency. If you wish to play mod and move threads, lock threads, post your no-nos then please have consistency. Look down the front page of this forum and I'm sure you'll find plenty of other threads that should be moved if you're moving the first life photo thread. But then you won't, because it's just playing at being moderator, and you just don't feel the need to treat the boards with an even hand.

I normally have a hell of a lot of time for mods on forums (and I participate on many), but sheesh you guys just don't understand that you can't just play at moderating when you feel like it, only touching the odd thread you feel like moderating. Do it fully or don't do it at all.

I can see a whole host of threads that should be on other forums if you're in the mood to move threads. So why don't you? What's the reason?

Moopf, i suggest you and everyone else follow the routine i am. I have reported abuse atleast 20+ times in the past few hours. Obviously what is happening is jeska is so busy that she just simply does not see the other threads or forgets to fix them. So I have read the TOS and other postings by linden lab and will volunteer my time to moderate the forums by filling out abuse reports.

Ummm , Moopf it isn't locked just moved to gallery.

I've been doing it since yesterday as obviously the forum mods need a helping hand because they musn't bother to read threads right next to the ones that they moderate. I'm even suggesting where they should go. I hate being a pedant, and I feel ridiculously pedantic at the moment for reporting threads, but until there's some consistency maybe a barage of thread reports is the only way to make them realise that they're just playing at moderating, which is more harmful than either moderating fully or not moderating at all.

I seriously think LL has far more important things to worry about than forum moderation.
Unless something really serious or illegal is taking place, action should only be taken AFTER someone files an abuse report.

No, no Lecktor, my thread on where the heck did the thread go (if you follow my drift).

Yeah, you either fully moderate or don't moderate at all (unless something serious or illegal is taking place like you say). This mish-mash of part-time "we'll moderate what we feel like, when we feel like it, with no consistency" nonsense is ridiculous.

Moopf maybe we should get together on aim or something so we can discuss where the threads go. Sometimes it is a hard decision especialy when they are saying things like: I want to dedicate this thread to so and so because they are the (edited). Its a big toss up obviously for linden lab aswell.

Sorry no, with language like that I want nothing to do with you.

I am sorry i just quoted someone. Do a forum search.

Gotcha, sorry.

Moopf you should report this thread aswell.. I think it should go in off topic because of the fact the forums indirectly deal with secondlife. What is your outlook sir?

the Chill Pills are on aisle 3 next to the Clues and the free Breaks (give me one and take one for yourself).

LOL Zuzi. I think Jeska does a great job and it baffles me that people *want* more moderation. Unless someone is being truly hateful in a thread I have no problem with anything I read here, even if it's derisive towards me personally. Reporting threads is, in my humble opinion, seriously inane.

So how offensive was the one post saying nice things about Adam & Nexus (I mean the one you were supporting the moderation of)? I know that really chapped my ass.

This is what Moopf is talkin'a bout. You don't moderate posts.... you moderate a forum. So do it or don't do it.

Please don't follow me!... I don't know where the heck i'm going.....

Normally Chip I'd agree with you but I'm not actually sure you've understood my point here. Personally I'd like to see no moderation, but accepting that Linden Lab wish to moderate the forums they either do it more fully or not at all.

Reporting threads may be "seriously inane" but when we have forum mods that show such a complete lack of consistency I think it's verging on our duty to highlight that their own rules are not being implemented to even a fraction of the level they should be if they wish to actually have those rules.

Interestingly this morning I have woken to a PM basically telling me to stop making negative posts regarding moderation on the forum. I will leave that up to everybody here to decide who that may have come from.

Moopf, seriously... why the axe you're grinding?

This seems beyond trivial to complain about a company moderating their own forum.

There's SO many more important things you should be upset about.

But, please... you've been screaming bloody murder about how there is no consistency... care to provide examples?


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Seriously, man. As there's more and more members in the community, there is an increasing number of posts and comments. It's simply impossible to expect them to read every single friggin thread and post. (unless you'd care to pay another employee or three's salary to have people who do nothing but moderate, eh?) So, they rely on player reports and try and read the obviously hot threads. Since little to no moderation makes this forum a flame-fest, I'd say this way's a hell of a lot better.

But please, feel free to quit your seemingly aimless complaining and provide a better, cost-effective solution that still keeps the flame-fest down. I dare you.

OK, Hiro, you want examples, I'll give you examples. My complaining isn't aimless at all, and you seem to be limiting the problem to 'flame-fests' where the actions in the last two days which have specifically "got my goat" aren't actually anything to do with flames, they're to do with moderators sticking their nibs in where they are not needed and in not having any consistency at all. The two instances are as follows:

1). Jeska posted the following on the thread about Adam and Nexus: "Please do not post threads addressing individual residents on the forums, utilize other more appropriate forms of communication (instant messages or in-world chat)."
2). Jeska moved the 1st life photo thread to the Gallery forum.

You want more detail?

1). The following threads also fall foul of Jeska's rule post but no similar action was taken:

/140/8e/35175/1.html
/120/48/35174/1.html
/140/23/34859/1.html
/140/74/35014/1.html
/120/be/35048/1.html
/140/5d/35054/1.html

These are just examples that I know were around the front page at the time of Jeska's comment on the Adam and Nexus post.

2). The following threads have existed on the general forum (many for days!) and should, by the same token as moving the gallery thread, also be moved:

/120/38/35367/1.html (land and the Economy)
/53/16/35250/1.html (Gallery)
/120/82/35222/1.html (Fansites)
/120/f1/35279/1.html (Feature Suggestions)
/120/58/35203/1.html (land and the Economy)
/120/db/33303/1.html (Services, Fansites, Special Events, Land and the Economy, take your pick)
/120/d0/34931/1.html (Services or Shopping)
/invalid_link.html (Special events)

These are just some examples, there are many many more. The problem is that Linden Lab plays at moderating the forum, it doesn't actually do it with any consistency or concentrated effort. So why have the rules if they're not actually going to do anything about them themselves.

I find it odd that coming from somebody such as yourself who constantly tells people that their threads are in the wrong forum, that you would seek some mileage by attacking me over trying to get Linden Lab to actually stick to their own rules regarding this.

It may be trivial, but then I believe that the rules they're imposing, and not following up on, are trivial as well. Jeska posted yesterday that they depend on player reports, well I've given them a helping hand in pointing her in the right direction of threads that meet the criteria she has been working on over the past couple of days, as it appears they concentrate so little time on implementing their rules they need that helping hand.

I'd hardly call my posts "screaming bloody murder" either. I am simply trying to highlight the inconsistencies in the applications of their own rules. They wish to make more rules covering what can and cannot happen in the forums, or in which forum, so they need to have the courage of their convictions and act upon them more fully than the wishy-washy way they currently do. They're the ones dictating, so they should be the ones putting the effort in. I agree it's a waste of resources, but they can't have it both ways.

Flaming is another issue entirely, and one that I have purposefully not jumped upon, simply because to do so muddies the waters.

For some people the forums are more important than other parts of their lives. They are touchy when they feel an important part of their life threatened. Sad, but true.

Really Pirate? Your sentiment is something that always gets levied at people who have a gripe on here, for whatever reason - demeaning them by saying that it's obviously more important to them than reality, or some such, and that they should get a life. It says more about the willingness to attack other people, than about the person you aim it towards themselves. Yours is a comment simply to troll.

Probably. But the point remains. Chill, read the forums less, play more, get out.

I'm always surprised by what rubbish gets people worked up here. And its so easy to avoid too.

No, the point is banal. You seem to think I'm uptight over this? Far from it, I'm able to question without getting myself into a hissy-fit, unlike many on this, and many other, forums. As for reading less, playing more and getting out - you don't actually know me, what I do, or who I am, so making such comments are there again simply to troll.

I'm always suprised by what rubbish the trolls will pick up on. Does it give you some sort of ego boost to think that you're questioning the quality of other people's lives? Does it massage it for you? Please take your last comment and work with it yourself, avoid trolling where you have no real opinion to offer other than denegrating others.

Meh, you've almost raised my interest enough to bother with a full reply. No point, it will be ignored. So in the end, pointing out that you're acting silly, without reasoning behind it is far more energy efficient.

But I'll try.

To have as a desire a lack of moderation of the forums is silly. For one, it opens them to legal issues (especially when kids come on the forum), and it's silly from a marketing and PR point of view too. So, they have to do it.

As for moderation, it will never be perfect, but it's getting better. To whine about it is silly. As I've said. Deal with it in private messages to the mods where you point out any abuse. Moaning about it on threads makes you look silly.

It's just a forum, not much useful goes on here (as we've demonstrated), move on.