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Disturbing encounter in SL with racism and threats

Bakuzelas Khan
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11-10-2004 18:25
I don't mean to dredge this up again, but I live in Florida, and locally, 22 hispanic males over the last few months have been attacked as they work as day laborers...

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/apnews/stories/111004/D8698ORO0.shtml

I just kind of found this eerily coincidental?
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11-10-2004 19:09
Cris, I'll chime in to say that sucks, so sorry you had to deal with that.

I also want to say if you don't want to post the name here I'll check sluniverse.com and see if it can be found there.
Devlin Gallant
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11-11-2004 05:50
The ass sucking bastard that did this is still in world I hear. What in hell is wrong with the Lindens when it comes to this crap? One time is too many for this behavior. NO SECOND CHANCES! Boot this human hemmorhoid permanently!
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Jonny Dusk
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11-11-2004 06:23
Feel free to post names :D

I'm not a vicious person *nose grows at uncontollable rate* but I'm sure there are plenty SLers that wouldn't mind shoveing thier Push guns up this smegma's ass every chance they get!

Not really into stirring up the shit stew but if certain offenders in RL must register with local law enforcement, and this individual is allowed to infect our mostly beautiful and peaceful existance here in SL without retribution from the Lindens, see nothing wrong with Power to the People, sound familiar?) you publicly notifying the rest of us so that we may avoid such an ignorant individual!!!!

I also believe in fair representation and apparently said individual has made no attempt to defend or even dispute these claims against them. Don't we have a negative rating system? We Pos those we like and let others know of thier exploit, should the Neg work the same way?

Name calling's one thing, you wanna make physical threats, you deserve everything you got coming, including a RL ass kickin!!!!

All kindsa shit bout trademarks, copyrights and such which pale in comparision, and I'm extremely dissapointed the Lindens apparently have not addressed this issue to the satifaction of it's "law abiding" and respectful citizen.

I don't think they would really like to read of such incidents in USA Today, get the drift?!!!
Cristiano Midnight
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11-17-2004 12:04
Well it seems that calling someone a nigger and a spic and threatening them is not a particularly serious offense in LL's eyes. I received the note about a week ago that they had investigated, if they found anything they would take action, blah blah. Since then, daily, that person has still been in SL and is there right now as I post this. I'm just so thrilled that LL is so lenient about their own policies. :mad:
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-17-2004 12:05
Oh, as an added note, from an IM speaking with another friend in SL who is from Venezuela, about an experience she just had this morning - I removed her name:

Friend: we were in the newbie area chatting and some chic kept asking us to take it to IM because this was an *american game*
Friend: and since I ignored her, she just felt compelled to stand right next to me and say me and my tequila should go back to mexico
Friend: *before we have to send you back*
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pandastrong Fairplay
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11-17-2004 12:08
From: Cristiano Midnight
Well it seems that calling someone a nigger and a spic and threatening them is not a particularly serious offense in LL's eyes. I received the note about a week ago that they had investigated, if they found anything they would take action, blah blah. Since then, daily, that person has still been in SL and is there right now as I post this. I'm just so thrilled that LL is so lenient about their own policies. :mad:


This is absolutely unnacceptable. I have so had it. How is it that the Lindens can run around locking extremely less severe forum threads everyday, but this person isnt booted within 5 minutes of the incident? Again, absolutely unnacceptable.
pandastrong Fairplay
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11-17-2004 12:11
From: Cristiano Midnight
Oh, as an added note, from an IM speaking with another friend in SL who is from Venezuela, about an experience she just had this morning - I removed her name:

Friend: we were in the newbie area chatting and some chic kept asking us to take it to IM because this was an *american game*
Friend: and since I ignored her, she just felt compelled to stand right next to me and say me and my tequila should go back to mexico
Friend: *before we have to send you back*


ok.. time for love, music, wine, and revolution....

i will break out my seboru gun thingies. cris - you and taeja bring the eco domani. we'll get drunk and hunt racists :)
Mina Firefly
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11-17-2004 12:19
Well Cris i know someone who had the same problem.

It seems the ban only works at a certain level.

But you can solve that problem by buying on of those robots to guard your land..just add his name to the enemy list and the robot won't allow him to come near your land or he gets a major rocket shot up his ass.

(and believe me the robots never miss their targets...cause i've seen Leyla's Fat Cat Robot in action)

They start making noices when the target is near..and then they start to shoot at the target.

And there is NO WAY they can get passed the robot.
Devlin Gallant
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11-17-2004 23:15
Unfortunately we can't use those bots in the welcome area, so we have to be tolerant of the racist assclowns that LL won't remove.
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11-17-2004 23:52
From: Devlin Gallant
Unfortunately we can't use those bots in the welcome area, so we have to be tolerant of the racist assclowns that LL won't remove.


I guess what surprises me the most is they did nothing once again. It is really disappointing that they seem to take censoring threads more seriously.
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Hiro Pendragon
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11-18-2004 00:24
I think it's time for another Ahern protest.
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11-18-2004 02:06
From: Cristiano Midnight
I guess what surprises me the most is they did nothing once again. It is really disappointing that they seem to take censoring threads more seriously.


It's starting to almost mirror RL. :(
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katykiwi Moonflower
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11-18-2004 05:47
From: Jauani Wu
what does LL do with the vocal incorrigible bigots that find their way in to SL?
Many moons ago there was a blatant anti semitic build in Blue that I reported. The builder/creator removed it and that was as far as it went. That person is still here today with a very public profile, but seems to have put the bigotry back in the closet. I know the truth.
Selador Cellardoor
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11-18-2004 06:41
Cristiano,

<<I guess what surprises me the most is they did nothing once again. It is really disappointing that they seem to take censoring threads more seriously.>>

Yes, I agree. I, for one, would like to see some kind of public statement as to why the Lindens seem to be prepared to tolerate this kind of unacceptable behaviour (illegal in my country) which seems to have forced at least one valued resident out of second life. :(
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Malachi Petunia
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11-18-2004 08:59
From: someone
I don't mean to dredge this up again, but I live in Florida, and locally, 22 hispanic males over the last few months have been attacked as they work as day laborers...

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/apnews/stories/111004/D8698ORO0.shtml

I just kind of found this eerily coincidental?


Not coincidental at all; from TFA:
From: someone

Police also believe the Hispanic men, most of whom work in construction, are being targeted because they tend to carry large amounts of cash, don't speak English and sometimes don't report crimes since they may be illegal immigrants.

"There is no indication this is a hate crime, but a crime of opportunity," Hodges added.


I think the only thing worse than bigotry is making claims of bigotry when there ain't none. What the original poster doesn't realize is that his interlocutor likely used the words in order to get his the poster's panties in a twist; it worked. I've called the original poster an "asshat" because I thought that would also pique his ire (which it did) furthermore, I think him a hypocrite and don't like his public persona on the forums. Does that make my actions a hate crime? If ya think so, sure...
pandastrong Fairplay
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11-18-2004 09:11
From: Malachi Petunia

I think the only thing worse than bigotry is making claims of bigotry when there ain't none.


That has to be one of the most irresponsible and absurd statements that I have ever heard.

mr. person1: I think that the actions of mr. person2 are absolutely racist.
mr. person3: There is absolutely nothing racist about mr. person2's actions. and you know what, mr. person1? I am going to go hang out with my KKK friends now. At least they don't assume to have an opinion about situational bigotry.
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11-18-2004 09:31
From: Malachi Petunia
Not coincidental at all; from TFA:

I think the only thing worse than bigotry is making claims of bigotry when there ain't none. What the original poster doesn't realize is that his interlocutor likely used the words in order to get his the poster's panties in a twist; it worked. I've called the original poster an "asshat" because I thought that would also pique his ire (which it did) furthermore, I think him a hypocrite and don't like his public persona on the forums. Does that make my actions a hate crime? If ya think so, sure...


No it just makes you a contemptible jerk, but we already knew that from your past performances so no shock there. Thinking you piqued my ire for calling me an asshat (a stupid, hilarious word) is giving yourself too much credit, and any charges of hypocrisy coming from you is equally laughable (hell I'll throw in the fact that you openly lie as well). I am so glad you write off someone who is upset over this topic to just have their panties in a twist. You can make light of it all you want - you do not get to define how it affects someone else.
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Angelina Becquerel
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11-18-2004 10:22
"When something hurts me I have to say something. If I don’t it will just burn me up. Living in America as a minority feels like dying of a thousand paper cuts, and I ain’t going out like that. --Margaret Cho"

Cris, I totally understand how you feel. You think that you would get used to it by now, but then sometimes it happens when you least expect it and it catches you off guard and it unnerves you. Most of the time, I am a fighter and I will speak up, but there are times when it makes me so sad that I feel like there is no use in saying anything. :( What makes me even sadder is when people deny what has happened because they have not experienced it themselves and even worse, suggest that you are a whiny oversensitive minority. People tend to deny other people's realities because it doesn't mirror their own and that really saddens me. What does it cost for you to suspend your judgement, give people the benefit of the doubt and believe? I am not being very articulate. I just don't have the energy. I am in one of those "I feel jaded" moods.
Selador Cellardoor
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11-18-2004 10:22
Malachi,

So using racial invective is not an indication of bigotry?

Right, got that.

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11-18-2004 11:12
From: Angelina Becquerel
"When something hurts me I have to say something. If I don’t it will just burn me up. Living in America as a minority feels like dying of a thousand paper cuts, and I ain’t going out like that. --Margaret Cho"

Cris, I totally understand how you feel. You think that you would get used to it by now, but then sometimes it happens when you least expect it and it catches you off guard and it unnerves you. Most of the time, I am a fighter and I will speak up, but there are times when it makes me so sad that I feel like there is no use in saying anything. :( What makes me even sadder is when people deny what has happened because they have not experienced it themselves and even worse, suggest that you are a whiny oversensitive minority. People tend to deny other people's realities because it doesn't mirror their own and that really saddens me. What does it cost for you to suspend your judgement, give people the benefit of the dout and believe? I am not being very articulate. I just don't have the energy. I am in one of those "I feel jaded" moods.


Thank you for this post - it sums up exactly how I have been feeling.
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Jauani Wu
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11-18-2004 11:42
i was thinking, maybe LL gives people a few chances before banning them, just as they would for any other type of abusive behaviour. so perhaps this guy recieved a strict warning and is playing nice ever since. fortunately for us we are aware of his true character and know not to invest anytime at all in forming an acquantence or friendship.

i think bigotry is way worse than mistaking a non racial issue as one. that's a standard problem that and racial or ethnic minority faces, trying to determine if they have been discriminated against or not. if your name or skin colour give away your otherness immediately, you basically live your entire life under the threat of bigotry.
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Robin Marten
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11-18-2004 12:45
It’s all about “Groups”. My group is better than your group.

My group is better than your group. I made up a name for people in your group.
My group is better than your group. People in my group beat up people in your group.
My group is better than your group. Look at everything my group has, your group can’t even afford a home.
My group is better than your group. People in your group are so stupid they just can’t see that my group can run this country better than yours.
My group is better than your group. One of my group told us on Sunday how much better our group was and we should go out into the world and get other people to convert to our group.
My group is better than your group. I don’t want to see any of your groups’ symbols, so keep them out of public view and off public buildings.
My group is better than your group. Some people in my group tied one of your group to a pole on the side of the road, beat them and let them die there all alone.
My group is better than your group. A couple of people from my group picked up one of your group, tied a chain around them and dragged them behind a truck until their head tore off.
My group is better than your group. We are going to kill everyone who is not part of our group.

Maybe it’s time we realize we are all part of the same group.
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11-18-2004 13:07
Very nice Robin! :)
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11-18-2004 13:42
From: Pendari Lorentz
Very nice Robin! :)


Agreed - it is a simple, excellent example of how that type of hatred escalates. With a few exceptions, most people seem to realize the seriousness of not speaking out against this and just turning a blind eye to it. Your post illustrates the best of all of them here why the argument that it is silly and doesn't matter will just result in history repeating itself over and over.
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