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Disturbing encounter in SL with racism and threats

Cristiano Midnight
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11-07-2004 18:24
From: Foster Virgo
"There was someone on top of it, doing a fairly elaborate build. I asked if I could help them, and they said no they were fine. I then asked why they were building there, and they called me a dick, then an asshole with an attitude problem, and that if I did not want him to build there too bad."

Thats the only part that sounds fishy to me here. I mean without posting logs of what was really said I imagine the exchange and circumstance was probably alot different than just that.

First assumtion I would have is the guy didn't know he was building on your land.
Second would be you pissed him off royally when you kicked him and whatever he was building was lost or he thought so anyway.

I think you pissed on a hornets nest probably. In any case though if the guy went so overboard as to threaten your RL person and make racial slurs he's probably gonna be looking at a fairly long suspension if not a ban.



Yeah, Foster, I brought it on myself, what was I thinking? I certainly deserved to be called a nigger and a spic. You know nothing at all about the situation, so whether you think it is "fishy" or not does not matter to me in the slightest.

For the record, I said two things to him before he called me an asshole and a dick. I asked if I could help him, and why he was building on top of my building. After being called a dick and an asshole for asking why he was building on top of my building (my exact phrase), I then ejected and banned him. He called me a pussy after being banned. Nice theory though.
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Foster Virgo
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11-07-2004 18:30
Differnet strokes different folks.
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TinaStar Dawn
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11-07-2004 18:42
I hate to do a "me too" reply, but Cris I just wanted to say that I think you're great and an asset to our community and I am so so sorry that you had to deal with a moron like that. I sure hope LL bans this person and any alt or main acounts associated with that address or credit card number (since obviously this person seemed to know more aobut you than some random newbie would).
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11-07-2004 18:44
From: Foster Virgo
Differnet strokes different folks.


What the heck is this supposed to mean?!? :confused:
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-07-2004 18:49
From: TinaStar Dawn
I hate to do a "me too" reply, but Cris I just wanted to say that I think you're great and an asset to our community and I am so so sorry that you had to deal with a moron like that. I sure hope LL bans this person and any alt or main acounts associated with that address or credit card number (since obviously this person seemed to know more aobut you than some random newbie would).


Thank you, Tina. I am not sure he did actually know me - the fact that I live in Florida is in my profile, so he may have just looked at that, and based his racial slurs on my avatar. He isn't a newbie, the account is a few months old. Nonetheless, I do hope something is done about it, though it seems in the past hate speech has been met with suspensions but not bans.
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Hank Ramos
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11-07-2004 18:58
I thought we Floridians were all part of the neo-confederacy now? :P

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Malachi Petunia
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11-07-2004 19:49
Hmmm, let's see, bitching about what another player said to you interspersed with your really tired vendetta against third player? Wow, way to tug those sympathy chains!

Instant Karma's gonna get you. And - for the record - neither I nor John Lennon meant that as a threat.
Kate Hanks
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11-07-2004 19:57
Sorry Cristiano, that truly sucks. I've not always agreed with your opinions, but NO ONE deserves to be treated that way. I find the whole thing repulsive. Wish I could send you more sympathy than *hugs*, but.... *HUGS*.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-07-2004 20:10
From: Malachi Petunia
Hmmm, let's see, bitching about what another player said to you interspersed with your really tired vendetta against third player? Wow, way to tug those sympathy chains!

Instant Karma's gonna get you. And - for the record - neither I nor John Lennon meant that as a threat.


Against what third player would that be? And thank you, Malachi, as usual you show your kindness loud and clear. As much as I dislike you, I would not wish you being called a nigger or a spic (or whatever racial slur applies to you) for anything, or make light of it. For you to do so shows that you have the sensitivity of a rock, but that is not particularly shocking.
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Emmy Guillaume
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11-07-2004 20:14
From: Foster Virgo
"

Thats the only part that sounds fishy to me here. I mean without posting logs of what was really said I imagine the exchange and circumstance was probably alot different than just that.


I don't. I bet Cris said exactly that: "Um..can I help you?" and the person escalated it from there. I've found Cris to be a very straighforward and forthright..yet polite guy. I can't imagine that he 'started it'.

And even if he DID..(which he didn't)..the racial slurs back were beyond the pale. I would hope if Linden's don't show Zero Tolerance for this, that the rest of the SL community will.
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Catherine Cotton
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11-07-2004 20:15
:eek: Chris just try to remember this guys parents are not doing a good job and we should pitty the guy. Don't worry he will get his when mommy figures out he has been snatching her CC# for a game. Ppl like that dont last long online dont worry they are only words and they cant hurt ya :)

hugz ya

Cat
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Pendari Lorentz
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11-07-2004 20:18
Geez almighty Mal!! When the hell did you become such a bitter ass?!?! And so sad to see that you are perfectly fine with racists. I would have thought you better than that. :mad:
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Lecktor Hannibal
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11-07-2004 21:04
From: Magnum Serpentine
I have noticed that Racism has increased since the Republicans have come to power.

Give me a fucking break! Why does it have to be this ?? Ok Cris, I am republican was it me??
Jesus, Magnum why does it have to be like this? Fuck I am tired of this shit.

Cris I am so sorry this happened to you. For all I know it is rectified but when I hit this post I stopped reading. Give it a fucking break Magnum, what happened to Cris has no more to do with Pugs or Dems.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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11-07-2004 21:12
forget it I give up
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David Cartier
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11-07-2004 21:17
That's pretty uncalled for and pretty innacurate, too. I imagine you can find bigots in every neighbourhood, and in fact the only person to ever call me a faggot to my face was himself black.
From: Magnum Serpentine
I have noticed that Racism has increased since the Republicans have come to power.
Cristiano Midnight
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11-07-2004 21:19
Lecktor,

Catherine was offering support, please don't misread her post and attack her unfairly.She isn't minimizing the effect, she is trying to encourage me to not let some idiot's words hurt or affect me, and in the end she's right. We give each other way too much power. My reaction surprised even me, because honestly most of the time I just shrug it off and recognize that the other person has to go through life being who they are. If that isn't instant karma, I don't know what is. Thank you though Lecktor, I appreciate the message, you just shot the wrong messenger.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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11-07-2004 21:25
fuck it
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From: Khamon Fate
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Malachi Petunia
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11-07-2004 21:26
I'm not bitter, Pendari. I just have a problem with self indulgent blowhards who start threads saying "someone called me a doodyhead in game but I'm not gonna tell you who, oh and BigJohn is an asshole".

Good thing we've only got one who is so self absorbed that he thinks his few minutes interaction with some unnamed doofus is newsworthy and should garner him oodles of sympathy. Incidentally, I had deleted the post for fear that people would misread it; alas, Christano quoted it before I did.

Racism is bad, but it is merely one way that humans have of being jerky; and there's certainly enough of that to go around. In my opinion playing the race card as the original poster did only amplifies our natural tendency toward xenophobia. Following that line, Christano did nothing but fan the flames of racism because his indignancy was aroused.

And I do have to say, that the world being as it is, if Christano lives in Miami and is going to get so flustered about being called a spic, then he is a bit of a nancy boy.
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11-07-2004 21:36
I suggest that if anyone says the word "spic" in Miami, they won't say it more than once. You are more likely to hear it in Seminole County or Gainsville, which are chock full of ignorant cracker white trash hillbillies. Anytime that anyone uses Second Life to do some loathesome thing that they are too cowardly to do in person, they ought to be called on it.
I'm sure that seeing the word "nigger" typed out on a screen hurts just as much as hearing it yelled out the window of a passing truck.
From: Malachi Petunia
I'm not bitter, Pendari. I just have a problem with self indulgent blowhards who start threads saying "someone called me a doodyhead in game but I'm not gonna tell you who, oh and BigJohn is an asshole".

Good thing we've only got one who is so self absorbed that he thinks his few minutes interaction with some unnamed doofus is newsworthy and should garner him oodles of sympathy. Incidentally, I had deleted the post for fear that people would misread it; alas, Christano quoted it before I did.

Racism is bad, but it is merely one way that humans have of being jerky; and there's certainly enough of that to go around. In my opinion playing the race card as the original poster did only amplifies our natural tendency toward xenophobia. Following that line, Christano did nothing but fan the flames of racism because his indignancy was aroused.

And I do have to say, that the world being as it is, if Christano lives in Miami and is going to get so flustered about being called a spic, then he is a bit of a nancy boy.
Cristiano Midnight
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11-07-2004 21:40
From: Malachi Petunia
I'm not bitter, Pendari. I just have a problem with self indulgent blowhards who start threads saying "someone called me a doodyhead in game but I'm not gonna tell you who, oh and BigJohn is an asshole".

Good thing we've only got one who is so self absorbed that he thinks his few minutes interaction with some unnamed doofus is newsworthy and should garner him oodles of sympathy. Incidentally, I had deleted the post for fear that people would misread it; alas, Christano quoted it before I did.

Racism is bad, but it is merely one way that humans have of being jerky; and there's certainly enough of that to go around. In my opinion playing the race card as the original poster did only amplifies our natural tendency toward xenophobia. Following that line, Christano did nothing but fan the flames of racism because his indignancy was aroused.

And I do have to say, that the world being as it is, if Christano lives in Miami and is going to get so flustered about being called a spic, then he is a bit of a nancy boy.


I will just leave that quoted, in case you go on another deleting spree. I don't need to say anything to you, as it speaks for itself.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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11-07-2004 21:41
From: David Cartier
I suggest that if anyone says the word "spic" in Miami, they won't say it more than once. You are more likely to hear it in Seminole County or Gainsville, which are chock full of ignorant cracker white trash hillbillies. Anytime that anyone uses Second Life to do some loathesome thing that they are too cowardly to do in person, they ought to be called on it.
I'm sure that seeing the word "nigger" typed out on a screen hurts just as much as hearing it yelled out the window of a passing truck.

Ahh yes let's make it better and throw in some more racial slurs and imagine where the perpertrator hails from !! Bravo!
<==== Originally from DUVAL county home of the ignorant cracker white trash hillbillly.
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Malachi Petunia
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11-07-2004 21:46
Damn, we bet you'd have a nonsensical reply a minute after I posted mine. You're slacking.

[With apologies for aspersions toward slackers]
Kate Hanks
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11-07-2004 22:05
It may be a matter of semantics, but I personally find the term "spic" deplorable. I grew up on the outskirts of Boston, where "spic" meant nothing but "I don't know you, but you're different from us" and that's just plain demeaning. I don't blame you for being upset Cris...
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11-07-2004 22:07
From: Malachi Petunia
I'm not bitter, Pendari. I just have a problem with self indulgent blowhards who start threads saying "someone called me a doodyhead in game but I'm not gonna tell you who, oh and BigJohn is an asshole".

Good thing we've only got one who is so self absorbed that he thinks his few minutes interaction with some unnamed doofus is newsworthy and should garner him oodles of sympathy. Incidentally, I had deleted the post for fear that people would misread it; alas, Christano quoted it before I did.

Racism is bad, but it is merely one way that humans have of being jerky; and there's certainly enough of that to go around. In my opinion playing the race card as the original poster did only amplifies our natural tendency toward xenophobia. Following that line, Christano did nothing but fan the flames of racism because his indignancy was aroused.

And I do have to say, that the world being as it is, if Christano lives in Miami and is going to get so flustered about being called a spic, then he is a bit of a nancy boy.


Malachi,

How fortunate for everybody reading these forums that Pendari is a class act and limited herself to wondering why you were so bitter. I wonder if you're just slow or have a reading / comprehension problem. Do you really think the epithets *doodyhead* and *spic* are in the same category? Do a racial slur and a moniker have the same meaning to you? Do you really take racism so lightly? Or are you so dense that you can't separate the poster from the topic?

Your cavalier attitude towards a very serious topic is repugnant and ignorant and I really wish you had kept it to yourself.

Leilany
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-07-2004 22:12
From: Kate Hanks
It may be a matter of semantics, but I personally find the term "spic" deplorable. I grew up on the outskirts of Boston, where "spic" meant nothing but "I don't know you, but you're different from us" and that's just plain demeaning. I don't blame you for being upset Cris...


It had nothing to do with semantics. Malachi's statement that I should not be offended by being called a spic (and nigger and a monkey, by proxy) is no different than him telling a black person from Detroit or Atlanta that they should not be offended by nigger, or that being offended by it makes them a sissy. Apparently where you are from determines whether or not you should be offended. In fact, he went so far to use a slur against gay people to make his point even better. At least he is offensive across the board.
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