I feel like the neg queen

Umm..and reacting by neg rating innocent people she doesn't know? That would be mental illness Kris.



That would be true if when a person is suspended, all of their alts were suspended as well. But since LL treats them as seperate entities, I would think they would be considered such when neg rating as well.



Yes you ARE defending someone here. In fact, you are defending the biggest crap talker I've ever run across in SL. Ironic.

I think Violet just needs a hug.

awwww beau. thats so sweet. gimme a hug instead and i will neg rate u hun.

so sayeth:
marilyn

I finally got my first neg ratings! Now maybe Darko will talk to me again.

It's really not. At all. Any way you look at it. Are all griefers mentally ill when they shoot you without asking? No. There are any number of reasons. Sure, mental illness may well be one of them, but you certainly can't assume it, and frankly I can't believe you seriously mean it.




Um, no, it's true in spite of that fact. One person is not a mob. Honestly.



I'm not. I think it's downright low behaviour if you want my personal stamp on the issue, but that isn't the point. We have a ratings mechanism that can be used within your own interpretation. She's doing that. It really doesn't make her certifiably mentally ill even if every other resident of second life disagrees with the practise.

I don't care why she does it.

LL should do something about her. She's violating the TOS and scaring off new players.

A new friend of mine, new to the game, IM'd me one night to say there were five people stalking me.

To make a long story short, turned out that five people had come to him demanding to know where I lived. (We figure this is because I have my picture on my bio, and credited him as the photographer.) I wasn't online at the time. The lead female told him she wanted to neg rate me for trash talking about her on the forums, or some such.

Of course, I couldn't figure out who this person was (though the name rang a vague bell), or what I could have possibly said to cause this, since I didn't remember having ANY forum conversation with or about this individual, or anyone else having any either.

Then she said, "Well, we'll just give YOU the neg rates she deserves" - and they all gave him three each.

He was charming and funny to them, too, at first. (Cause he's a great guy!) But this idiot was too stupid to even appreciate that.

So there he was, a new player, terribly stressed out (his own words) from having "stalkers" come to him in his home, treat him like crap, and slap neg rates on him, then laugh and say, "Now you have way more negs than positives."

And of course, it made ME look bad, like I'd done something to cause it, or I was trouble or something, when I didn't even know who these people WERE.

The next time I got a chance, I went and gave him three pos rates, so it cost me $75, too, and I'm just a basic player! (The good part is he deserves them anyway, lol.)

Then I run across this thread and the names mentioned and now I know the whole thing is just some person neg rating anybody and everybody she can, in some pitiable bid for notoriety and coolness.

Doing this is against TOS, distresses new and older players alike, and runs OFF new players not as stalwart as my friend.

Lindens, get rid of this person.

coco

Ok. This is getting absurd.

We should get rid of a person for neg rating? She's mentally ill?

Let me ask you a question:

There are a number of regular faces that stand at the welcome area and people at most events you care to go to and give triple positive rates to people. Complete noobies! People they've never met! People who dont deserve it!

Are they mentally ill? Should they be banned? Why?

The thing I would be questioning, who is her main account that gives her all this L$ to keep affording all the rates?

Yea the "mental illness" label is rather bogus. No need for armchair or keyboard psychiatry.

It's an insult to people with mental illnesses to place this person among the ranks of the mentally ill.

Briana Dawson

I'm not sure of mentally ill, but I do believe this person has some deep rooted psychological problems and should seek professional help. I see someone who throughout their life has been constantly berated, leading them to acquire a nasty inferiority complex. Because this person lacks the confidence to stand up and take action to those people in RL, her only outlet is to safely and anonymously fire back all this negativity onto people over the Internet who don't deserve it (much like she believed she didn't deserve the abuse that she received in RL). This person is also doing this because in RL, she was meant to feel like an unimportant nothing- Now she's trying to gain whatever fame, noteriety and attention she can, even if it's negative attention, and now is craving more by starting a thread about herself (Notice if you will that she even refers to herself as a 'queen'). My theory is based on the facts that she seems to dedicate most of her SL time to this, she dumps money to pay for more alts just to add more negative ratings, she compiles a catalog of people who disagreed with her on this thread to stalk them down to neg rate them, and now as Cocoanut Koala pointed out, this vendetta has now expanded to negrating even the friends of these people.

Yes, I do believe this person should be removed. This person hangs around the Wecome Area- the place where new players get their first impression of SL, and leaves one hell of a nasty first impression. If I was a new user, and this happened to me, I would likely think of SL as an unmoderated playground for a bunch of kiddie jerks and would have cancelled my trial account. As well, for old players (that could be shelling LL a good amount of $$$ per month for land tier fees) who might already be disgruntled with a lack of LL's disciplinary action in other cases, this might be the straw that breaks the camel's back and pushes them to terminate their account. This person is hurting the community by driving away potential new players and fed-up old players, and at the same time is hurting LL's wallet.




I don't agree that an undeserved compliment is equally as offensive as an undeserved insult. Throughout my years, I haven't seen anyone get upset over the fact that someone was nice to them.

Yes


Well..come now Kris... I'm sure you understand how neg rating for "fun" is kinda griefing or at the very least, acting in a mean and hurtful way, while positive rating actually sometimes makes people feel good. I disagree with doing either for no reason, but to stand at the welcome area and neg rate newbs coming into the world is a bit off. A bit bizarre...and at the very least, kinda shows a behavioral problem. And if it is the person that has been alluded to, she has a HUGE history of doinbg very cruel and mean and bizarre things in SL and the forums, so there is certainly some basis for the mental illness suggestion.

In my opinion the bottom line here (and I do mean that literally) as well is simply this.

Whatever the tools used to cause grief is not the main issue.

From what I've seen LL is spending a lot of time and money on the community question.

LL has job descriptions that focus on providing a good experience for newcomers to SL.
LL has folks like Pathfinder working they asses off to find/create ways to do just that.
LL has the revamp of the welcome area and new meet greet and support new folks programs in the works.

Not to mention a wide resident base using their own time, effort and money to do same.

Then you have a few people that can undermine, derail and plain scare off new accounts using whatever tools at their disposal.

Yeah some of those tools need to be fixed, but I suggest to LL that those who choose to use those tools to chase money out the door should be attended to first.

You gotta work BOTH ends of the stick: creating a great environment for newcomer's first experiences here, and chopping out those who are getting in the way of that.

Wow some of you have some wild crazy imaginations. Let me clear this one, first of all I do not neg rate any newbies. If I did please bring them to me because you are full of it. And I love how you all think I have 4 alts and neg rate. rofl are you kidding me. I think I am the fall woman for every person that has ever neg rated here. Oh and as for my mental illness, thanks for everyone being so concerned but the lithium and electric shock treatments don't work so well for me anymore. Thank you everone for analizing me it was very entertaining.

I told ya, I think it's low. But thats just an opinion. I agree its a 'bit off', a 'bit bizarre' and 'cruel and mean', yes. But I don't think using a rating system designed for offering someone an opinion is griefing, unless it does fall foul of the ToS - which I believe is only in the case of incitement to mass rate. And I think it's a bit strong to presume you can apply armchair psychiatry (like the most insightful post above), label her mentally ill and call for permabanning.

If you KNOW her, and I mean really know her, which I don't, then maybe you can judge and come to that kind of conclusion about her mental state. But merely observing a routine behaviour of hers that is socially unacceptable to most doesn't give you any kind of insight into the mental wellbeing of the person behind the avatar. You can and will form an opinion based on the behaviour, but you can't really psychoanalyse them on the strength of it with any accuracy.

In real life, sure. You would have far more to go on. But you're observing a little pixellated doll conveying no emotional state, body language or any other visual clues. And speculation over who else she may or may not be is just that, unless anyone can categorically state one way or the other. But of course even if they can, they shouldnt

At the end of the day, if you think an injustice has been done that warrants a Lindens attention, then either call one or abuse report it. If they agree, action will be taken. If lots of people do the same, presumably more severe action will be taken. But do mind that you don't incite people to mass abuse report, or you might be committing abuse yourself!

On that note, I'd give anything to *see* the raw abuse reports, too. I don't envy the Lindens that job. I'd bet they are about 90% crybaby whines that arent even against the ToS. I bet half include DEMANDS of the punishments people see fit the crime. I think it'd be fun finding out!

How about some stats or insight LL? Or even better, publish the original text of the request with the Police Blotter reports

Now THAT would be highly amusing !

fuck me. you read that far? I switched off about half way through.

Nah I just always scan to the , as I know that is where I'll find your punch line

yus. *gives you a wet willie, and runs away

so sayeth:

marilyn

You mean "crap" like calling me a loon for exercising bad judgement one day a few weeks ago? Get off your high horse Kris. You are not one to talk on the issue of claiming people are mentally ill.

loon (ln)
n. Informal

One who is crazy or deranged.

I didn't call for her permabanning. If it is the person alluded too, she has done many other things that most would be permabanned for, so i already know she has apparent immunity. If it isn't her, then i would suggest a 3 day suspension and go upwards from there.



So folks shouldn't be judged by their behavior? I haven't labeled her with any specific mental illness. I'm not a doctor. But in MY OPINION, she definitely has some mental illness issues. Not only because of neg rating, but other factors, such as past forum antics, in-world antics, and SL relationship antics. Am I certain she's mentally ill? Is anyone? Nope..but she sure acts the part well.



Again, we are all judged on our behavior. If the shoe fits, most people will think you wear it.



Very true. If this is indeed the same person as in past cases and the one alluded to, she has been reported many times, for far worse than neg rating for no reason, and still walks around in SL with apparent immunity. So I don't forsee anything being done about any behavior of hers. But I'm not on a vendetta. If I see such behavior first hand, I would follow the prescribed steps and report it.

I'm going to be honest here -- I've read all of 4 posts on this topic. But his is what I think:

1. If you don't want to be negative rated on Appearance, don't be ugly.

2. If you don't want to be negative rated on Building, don't build a plywood box and call it the magical sword of the elfen magic bakery tree.

3. If you don't wan't to be negative rated on Behavior, don't be so whiny about being negative rated on appearance or building.

4. If you're so concerned about newbies being rated negatively, then get a job as a liaison, and tell the newbies not to be so ugly, bad at building, and whiny.

5. I like Violet -- she has always been nice to me -- and if she wants to use the tools given to her, by the Lindens, to voice her disapproval over another AV, then she has the right to do so. It's her money, there is no rule against it, and doggone it, it brings out the best in everyone. Lord knows i watch my step each and every day to make sure i dont get that ONE TO THREE potential negative ratings from the hand of Violet Manhattan, because that would surely ruin my SL. Oh! The shame!

So yeah, who cares?

Oh, wow! Mental illness? You people are truly ridiculous.

LOL..now there is an example of shining humanity. So kind, compassionate, understanding and tolerant. I'm sure you improve the world just by being on it.

Although, I have run into Violet on occasion, I personally don’t know (in any sense of the word) her. But I think this conversation has gotten a little out of hand…

First of all, I can’t believe some of you have taken it upon yourselves to diagnose her with a mental illness. Kris Ritter has addressed this issue perfectly so I feel no need to re- hash the issue.

Secondly, who says she has no reason at all for negative rating someone? You may not like her answer but she obviously has a reason. For example: 1 negative rating in appearance…perhaps her reason is she doesn’t like the way you look. Lindens have given us these tools, whether we use them or not, it’s not up to us to decide she is doing something wrong if it isn’t breaking the ToS.

As far as newbies, walking into the game and getting negative ratings – yes, slightly unfair but I don’t know if it is something to walk away from the game. I didn’t even know what a rating was for a couple days when I started. I honestly don’t believe people are walking away because of this (I want proof). If people did cancel their trial account because of this the are too sensitive to be well…living (rl or sl). Let’s face it folks, life is unfair, people are rude, it happens every day and yet some how we all seem to struggle through it. If a negative rating is the worst thing that happens to me in a day I should be grateful.

In conclusion, I would like to hear from those of you that have had their second lives completely ruined by a negative rating (not your grandma’s girlfriend’s cousin’s friend). I am sure Lindens are doing their best to keep SL running smoothly but if you don’t report abuse (if you think it is abuse) then how are they to curb/fix this “problem.” I think I will become a lobbyist for Cletus Hatfield’s Sarcasm Button/Sensitivity Level Indicator (/13/7c/45171/1.html) so I know which of you to look out for in the future.

I only neg rate my very close friends. Tripple neg as a matter of fact.