Gaming Dwell System?

Maxx you always been a ass to us at Elite, Ok now I got that out of way on to rest.

This is not about how one leaves club and work else where, it was about how close friends could turn there back on ppl that love them and took up for them and was real friendship and then they walk out trying to take all dancers and never said word about it just did it one day with out anything to us about it.

We have known them for months and was good to them all that did this and better go back there and read more of what was done and check out ana post on it.

You can talk and start drama on me all you want and know what? I am damn use to it by now by most of ppl that post here and that is no part of elite or like us.

Post that was done by ana.

God you guys I mean i know some of our ex dancers and us have had some words and don't see eye to eye but did everyone have to resort to this? I mean think about a time when we were all a part of the elite family and we stuck up for each other with the same passion you are using to cut us down. Al these personal attacks are just childish. I wish you guys would realize that and stop it.
Club Elite has been around for a long time... many clubs have opened and fallen but Club Elite stay strong. There si a reason for that. Just like any places of business there will be a few who do not like us... but for the most part club ELite is popular bc people LIKE it. Yes like any other club we do employ dancers but don't thank for a minute that they control our dwell score. Need proof? Come to the Club when it has people in it and count the customer to dancer ratio. I assure you that we have many
more costumers that dancers. John worked his ass of to make this club what it is today. he is proud of it (as he should be), and he defends it when people speak badly about it. I bet any of you would do that same thing if you had something you were equally proud of. And YES Clube Elite has cost us a ton of money RL and linden but that doesn not mean its what its all about for us. It just keeps us wanting to try harder bc we don't want all that money wasted not to meantion all the hard work and time invested. I dare any of you to build a club and make it as sucessful for as long as Club Elite has been. WE RIGHTFULLY PROUD!
Think of somehting you have been proud of.. wouldn't you do what it takes to maintain it? Thats what John has done with the laggy items. He is trying to keep the lag free environment tha he has created and is proud of. Whats wrong with that?
And for the record we have had our group closed to open invite for quite some time now. The only new members of the VIP group have been people who frequent our club. WE DO NOT GO TO THE GO TO THE WELCOME AREA AND TAG NEWBIES.
I have been at the club every day now for the past 8 months and i have NEVER seen john tell anyone to stop rezzing things unless they were rezing a ton of them. So to say you were told off for rezzing one box is ridiculus and also if you are only 3 weeks old there is not way you could have bought anyhting from our shop to lay out bc we don't even have a shop at the new club! So if you are going to lie to make john look bad please at least get your facts straight cuz it makes you look silly.
For all the Ex Elite dancers... I loved you like a family.. i would have done aything for you bc i considered you all dear friends. I confided in you and you in me.. and then you left without so much as a word of warning after evertyhing i did for you... Now who deserves to be painted as the bad guy here? I think what you have done is far worse than anything John has ever done.
Pheww that was a long one
Posted by: Ana Lily at October 18, 2004 07:36 PM

Incoming flamefest!
*gets popcorn*

This has gotton out of hand and need's to be stopped already, just because me and BJ dont see eye to eye right now he's not a monster like every1 is making him out to be.

Thank you for that much Sunny

you guys just pick out what you want to hear... if you read the whole thing you would see that we did not encourage anyone to use idle scripts.. we can't help it if someone comes in and uses them.. we never asked anyone to not once. and the ones that used those programs are no longer with us they ae the ones who left us recently. And it is ridiculas to think we could force anyone to stay in our club... this is a virtual world how in the hell could we even if we wanted to? We are good to our dancers if we were not they would not stay with us for so long. We are like a family and every family has its fueds. The dancers who left us were with us for 4+ onths... why would anyone so badly treated stay with us for so long?
You all make us out to be some kind of cheaters when we work so freaking hard to get where we are. we don't need to cheat.., look at all the people who come to our club who are not even our employees.. they come back time and time again.
And also if you were paying attention you would have read that our VIP group has been closed for some time now... so how are we giving out titles to newbies in the welcome area? I havn't even seen the welcome area in weeks and the only reason i go there is to get out and "get some fresh air" yes at on time i had someone hand out landmarks and tshirts with the club elite name on them... i have seen many people do this to promote thier bussinesses, why are we wrong for doing it? No one was ever teleported out of the newbie area or harrassed.
The route of all this lies with the disagreement among friends... and the herald blew it out of proportion and then everyone else who believes everything they read picked up on it. It in the SLHerald it must be true right?... god i know you guys are smarter than that... So anyways I just wanted to say a couple things so you all see the whole story and not just what you want to see... i hope you read it this time. God if its not one thing its another i wish you all would grow up.

ty sunny for your post

Cris we have NEVER EVER paid anyone in rl money. i have no idea where you got that. When john talks about the rl money he is out he is talking about the money for the sim that we pay plus the Linden that we pay the dancers as well as prize money for events. He means what the linden is sold for and that is how he got the dollar figure... we have NEVER paid anyone in rl money sheesh,

I really don't want to get into the middle of anything, because there's a lot of people I still respect, but... ... we were just discussing the RL valus of L$ in another thread. It's easy how someone can see the act of paying L$ the same as RL$.

Okay, and thinking about this whole thread, I have a constructive comment -

- tabloids are a disgrace to journalism. As a former collegiate journalist, it is repulsive to see a "newspaper" doing so-called reporting on an issue and clearly only getting one side of things.

I'm not saying what Elite does or doesn't do is right or wrong, just that the original article should not be considered "fair and balanced journalism", so to speak.

Elite was first most running club in game to date with out a fall or giving up.

Midnight girls was one that had first running club that pack alot of ppl in game before elite was made.

Elite was made before Marilyn Murphy but not open to all the ppl. Fiist club she had was something like elite but never got off ground and after midnight girls stop running events I start to miss the club life and I love clubs in real life and that is what started up Elite.


Elite was first to do big things in sl.

1. Hold very big events with alot of money.
2. 1.2 patch was first to take on live dj's for a club.
3. First club that started payroll system for dancers not just tips to live on.
4. I am sure I left alot out but 3:27am here.

Marilyn Murphy did have nice club but not open to just anyone it was for all ladies only and it was more of a private club then open to all.

Marilyn Murphy is a good old friend of mine and we know each other forever in SL.

Maxx you got me so lost here dude, what hell you talking about?

Elite been having over 50 ppl a night showing up for hours of fun that is where dwell score coming from.

Elite has never cheated on dwell my friend and we run big events and now we don't even need them to stay on dwell score.

Not all about dwell and money cause let me tell you something Elite does not make anything at all, we just put out and out and out.

How can ppl talk so bad about a Club that also helps make SL stay alive and more fun for all ppl that joins this game, I just don't get it at all.

PPL like us is what makes sl what it is today fun and not board.

Maxx you always been a jerk to me and always was trying to rig up stuff around old club and then had balls to try to sale me 16sq of land just to get ur script off close to my cause you was making it lag some there.

Maybe that is a broke rule of SL?

That might just be a little bit of an exaggeration. I feel very sure that SL would have flourished had Elite never existed, and will continue onwards and upwards if Elite were to suddenly vanish.

Sure, you've provided somewhere popular for people to get together in SL, but enough of the delusions of grandeur... you're really NOT propping up Philip and friends here!

Heh, Maxx the only Linden intervention you can expect in this thread is to get it locked =)

Take away all big clubs and main things like that, then what is left for ppl to do? don't you see clubs is what ppl loves most in sl how many times has Elite show that?

what I am saying ppl like us that gives out way more to ppl then we should just to help alot of ppl out that has not a thing does make us big part of game.

Sure there be others take over if I took Elite down for good, but I can tell you this we would be miss by many and many and alot of ppl would feel let down if I did something like that.

We are big part of SL in many ways and we do give out our own money and take big lost on alot of stuff just to keep running events for ppl of game not for us.

As far sim goes i could just stop the club and live on it and pay $195 a month and say hell on all this drama and mean ppl that talks alot of bs about me and our club and say hell on all of it, but more you ppl talk shit about me more it makes me want to show you all what i am about and what I can do within this game and how smart I am.

So push all you got out to me ppl and I still be here with big smile doing what I know best that is running a club in SL called CLUB ELITE!!!!!!!!!!

Hey BJ,

A lot of us actually like to build, too. We call it "fun" to be able to have a great, interactive, 3-D outlet that lets us go nuts with our imagination and share our work.

I agree Elite has been a big activity that people enjoy, but, with all due respect, please don't get arrogant about it.

1. Build
   
2. Script
   
3. Clothing design
   
4. Show-n-tell
   
5. Die in Jessie
   
6. Structured Debates
   
7. Trivia contests
   
8. Cosplay
   
9. Movie Making
   
10. Stage Plays
    

All things I've seen in SL, done by a huge variety of people. Clubs do attract folk, but if all the clubs vanished, SL would march happily on.

11. Bombing Bingo!

Yes very big and help game to, anyway you look at it we still helping sl keep it alive.

why do you think they paying ppl $rl money for now?

Cause it helps everyone in game to have some where to go and do better things for sl and it comes big events to all ppl that goes there.

We are not saying just us that helps the game all I said we big part of it all cause we been doing it for long long long long time.

Over year just elite has been running.

That is a year of events for ppl to come to, once again I say it we also big part of game.

Why do I never see this on the event list?

I always miss the good stuff.

Not as many as we do, want to make bet on this? I be happy to take u up on it

Yes ppl loves to do other things and yes they help but not one thing you had list ever beat our club in most ppl show up or most in a month that show up in all.

And we been running Elite for over year, what is wrong with you guys don't we get Credit for anything we do in sl?

I waste a year of my time and day and out to make kick ass club for this game and I think we should have some Credit on what we have done.

There is no other event that ever pack house as much as elite in long run.

I think it is time we get some Credit for some of help in this game, tired of ppl looking for a reason to take it away when I have this right to say yeah John you done damn good running a club for over year with big events and packing the house.

*sighs*

BJ, maybe this is your issue; you expect adoration for your work.

The spirit of SL is not about rewards; it's for the love of creation.

Has Elite brought in customers? Yes.
Have you earned L$ for it? Yes.
Can you treat Elite as a business and make serious monetary rewards? Yes.
Is SL mostly about clubbing? No.

If you don't believe the answer to the last question, you need to get the hell out of Elite sometime and actually explore what goes on in 90% of SL.

Ok... You post your honest numbers: Individuals per hour, averaged.
Taking what I've seen in the past few weeks:

1. Building - Twenty unique individuals over two hours in Cordova, 14 unique over an hour in Morris. Let's call it 8 people over an hour.
2. Scripting - I'll estimate three over twho hours in Cordova
3. Clothing design - Of those I'm aware of, about thirty hours per month total. Not sure how to translate this into numbers.
4. Show-n-Tell - Each event I've attended or watched gathers 5-15 people, so let's call it 7 people over an hour.
5. Die in Jessie - I hear of this constantly, but what I've seen counts to three per hour.
6. Structured debates - It's been a while, but assuming a little shrinking of the audience, 6 per hour.
7. Trivia contests - THis seems to average low for some reason, at bout 3 per hour.
8. Cosplay - One event I've seen, and it had 8 people attending for over an hour.
9. Movie making - Like clothing design, lots of time spent, but not in any way I can work into this.
10. Stage plays - Only one so far that I'm aware of, but it gathered 21 people for just shy of an hour.

Meaning, all together, they represent 59 people/hour.


I get this feeling that your assertion is baseless.



For what you do, yes. But no more.



It's natural to have a high opinion of one's own hard work. Just don't expect anyone else to agree.

Um. I guess from the amount of times you mention it, you want some credit?

BJ, you GET credit. In the form of cold hard cash from the Lindens from the (hotly contested and deeply flawed) dwelloper awards. Every month. Without fail.

But don't expect the world to fall over itself trying to pat you on the back for it. For one thing, as you just admitted yourself, you've been using the same tired formula for a year, while many other people are moving forward and innovating - even other clubs.

As long as dwell is king, so are you. Nobody is disputing that. You're at the top of the list for all to see. But the fact is, most people don't care about clubs. The fact is, most people think the dwell situation and awards are crap. So don't expect most people to care, therefore, that you are the most dwell inducing club!

Edited cuz I can't spell. Not that it really matters in this thread, I guess.

Money that went back into making of new club.

$980 for sim
$250 old club land fees was hit 2 times in same month we move to new sim

got rip off over some dwell bug for first month and end up paying out $95 more.

But I do know sl will make this up they always fix things in long run and they always nice to check into things for me when something is wrong.

Took out a radio for $62 a month to help with club and for ppl have music in.

$95 more for making a nice new website for club so our members can have alot of fun things to do with alot of stuff for club. Domain name and year term.


We are still running club and doing better then it ever had cause ppl love it.

Where the money i made over a year to show?

I can tell you it is easy, back to Club for ppl to love that been here forever.

credit as yes a good job for running club for a year and helping sl game with nice events, how can you try to rip away just small credit I should have here?

WOW good try.

I don't make anything but put back into club for all ppl in game to have fun at.
Do the math and take a look what i am out just for club that has help sl for a long time.

Not about dwell score at all, it is about how long club has been running in sl game and how long it has help ppl to have fun within this game and how long we been doing it for now.

Yes I do think we got some Credit coming for that much and Kris you use to be one of them ppl at our old club day in and night, how can you talk all this bs now cause you try to do what we was doing with a club and never got any where like we did, so guess you just hate us for that reason only?

God Kris i remember when we was cool and you sit here and talk this bs about me.

Just to show you how some ppl can be.

Hey, that's your choice to reinvest. Personally, if I'm going to buy a sim, it's going to be for one of two reasons:
1. I can make money on it.
2. I have the money to burn on it.

NOT because I expect a deluge of applause for doing so.

I think keeping the club up so long and so popular is an accomplishment, BJ, and you should be proud. Again, I think you have helped bring and keep people to SL.

However, when you assert things like your club being more popular than all of the following: Build, Script, Clothing design, Show-n-tell, Die in Jessie, Structured Debates, Trivia contests, Cosplay, Movie Making, Stage Plays ---

-- I can't help but think that you need a reality check, BJ.

If you're not interesting in making money, then all of your guests coming and having a good time should be reward enough. If other people want to praise your work, they will come to your club.