Dwell Abuse

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Hank I think you are a nice guy but this time I think you are barking up the wrong tree.
I know some of those avs, and they are not alts. I know Taggy too, and she does give away a lot of money.
Those small amounts of money are a lot to some avs, at W-hat we used to have chairs people could sit in to get small amounts of money too and people would sit in them for hours.
So yeah, I um am not sure why you made this thread about Chaos Theory, I don't even remember it having that high of a dwell. Dwell payments in general are so poor that I think most people gave up on trying to make money off that system anymore.

I gave up on trying to understand dwell as it seems to work in a very strange way...
Where is it on the webpage that Lindens expalin how it works?

I have many times wondered how owners of lots of lands and/or clubs could rely on the dwell bonus to cover their costs, as it changes with the blink of an eye and the bonus isnt really that high at all.

Bak, well said and was what I was kinda hinting at in the first place before Taggy responded initially.

Im sorry but if we develope something we cannot be held responcible for the actions that others take on our property. Ie if someone decides to go afk or busy in Jade Wolf neither Pahoa nor my self are going to boot them for that. Heck if they bring 15 people and they all stand around in our store and dont leave prims or dump 4 million scripts in the sim we let them be as one never knows whats going on in IMs. But on the same token if those 15 people come to Jade Wolf every day and do that and cause no trouble are we to be blamed for "GAMING" the system.

Sorry it just seemed a point of Jealousy Taggy is an old friend and I have a great deal of respect for her. She has helped me out on more than one occasion from starting to teach me to script to many more things that friends do.

But this was IMHO an attack for an unknown reason especially for somthing that was beyond her control.

I dont say this based on her posts I dont say this based on what others have said. Taggy has a casino....so what...its like saying Big John has a Club...so what. Both places get dwell because people want to be there and this arbitrary attack was wrong and I agree Taggy deserves an apology.

Anyway nuff said on my behalf on the subject.

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ooh i agree shadow... but *if* the intent in developing something was to get people to sit around (as is the case with 'randomized' free money machines) the fact you didn't 'ask' people do sit around doesn't necessarily absolve you of intent to gather exactly those people, doing exactly what they are doing, sitting around and getting dwell.

there are other ways of working free money machines that do not involve people sitting around on yer property all day idle. There have been money trees, interactive games etc...

Creating an object to just give out $5 every x minutes is essentially more or less proof of intent to game the dwell system as is, because you are intentionally rewarding people for sitting on your property (as opposed to rewarding them for playing games or for offering content etc)

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Leyla,
The dwell bonus is a daily dividend paid in Linden dollars but what I think is in question here is the developers incentive which is paid to the top 20 or so dwell earners every month and that incentive is paid in American $. Some rely on it to help with tier costs.

For the record my posts were in reference to the whole dwell issues, not to the location... I love Taggy and trust her, but there is a problem with dwell gaming, which is why I replied to those points.

Some also rely on it to promote thier shops, creations and builds.

Oh, i thought dwell bonus was only that bonus that gets payed every day in my account history in linden dollars... did'nt know that, thanks for the info

Wrong. The idea was created *before* the dwell system by Ama Omega and I emulated him *before* the dwell system was in place when Chaos Theory Gaming was in Stanford.

The original idea was to get people to congregate there and give them some money to play the games. Since it was Free Money, it was no risk to them if they used it to play a game or two. Of course, many would pocket it, but some would play.

Then enter the dwell system. This had the current (unexpected) side effect of what you see on those screenshots.

It was an unexpected pleasant (for me) side effect.
Does it now work in my favor in ways I did not envision when I first created my free money machine (and again - the credit for this invention goes to Ama Omega, not me)? Yes.

I am tired of people insinuating that casino owners are not developers. While that may be true for many, it is not true in my case. What you see at Chaos Theory is only a SMALL part of what I have done in SL. It simply happens to be the most popular part. Is that my fault? No.

Go to Gibson, fly up about 550 meters. Behold my starship. It is a work in progress, but even so it took a lot of effort to get it where it is. Is it a club? No. Is it a casino? No. Is it a dwell trap? No. It is a build that exists for the sake of fun building.

Same is true for my (work in progress again) research facility in Stanford.

Now .. lets also not forget that I created *original* games in my casino, and still am. I have been working on a new networked game engine for over 3 months (which is why I havent been holding events and CT has been somewhat barren). Pure development.

I will put my scripting ability up against just about anyone in game. I AM A DEVELOPER! It just happens that my casino (and the free money machine) is by far the most popular. Believe it or not, that irritates me. I would much rathe have people more interested in my starship. But they aren't.

Do not blame me for the system and do not accuse me of "gaming" it. I have put a LOT of work into what I have, both at my casino as well as my other builds. It is inappropriate to insinuate otherwise.

I have endured accusations that all casino games in SL are rigged (all it takes is playing a few of mine to know otherwise). I have endured being lumped into genral categories along with clubs etc. I have always prided myself on being the exception to the rule.

I will not, however, allow people to target me personally and insinuate I am doing anything improper or wrong.

I draw the line there and will no longer take it.

You are targeting the wrong person.

-AP

I remember reading a post from a Linden stating that first of all, every person has only 1 dwell point per day to distribute among all the locations it "dwells" at. Second, a location recieves a portion of that 1 point from an avie after 5 continuous minutes of that avie's time spent in it. The actual amount that portion represents is proportional to the total time the avie spends inworld.

So, if an avie spends 1 hour in a location, and 1 hour in the other, each location recieves .5 dwell points from that avie for that day.

That's exactly what some people are doing at Chaos Gaming. Taggy isn't abusing the system, but some people are abusing her generosity by sitting there 24/7 afk or busy, even with their alts, and then selling the accumulated Lindens on GOM or Ebay.

I myself was there during my first weeks in SL, to chat, to build, to meet friends...and yes, to get the free money. On "good days" I made 100+ L$ from the money machine, when not too many other people were around. Now do the math. How much do you get for 3000 Lindens on GOM nowadays...or for 6000 Lindens, if you use at least one alt?

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Hank man you know I love u brother. But I have to say Taggy is one of the most honest figures in Second Life. If you are truly going to make a persuasive argument that one of the most respected figures in our community is working the dwell system, you are going to need more than a few screen shots.

I know your intentions are sincere but dude go after the real fuckers who are exploiting the weakness in the system. What do you gain by trying to smear Taggy?

One love.

Anyone who's had any dealings at all with Taggy knows this isn't her style. Two screenshots of people sitting on a wall, even if they're there every single day, is in no way proof of Taggy gaming anything, but rather implies that some people prefer to idle where they can suck up free cash.

This thread has nothing to do with someone gaming the Dwell system, and everything to do with someone gaming the Drama system, and it ain't Taggy.

If anyone cares, I'm not singling out Taggy. I have nothing against Taggy personally, just the people who are gaming the dwell system. I'm singling out the people sitting on the wall, and this was the first in a series of shots of people gaming the dwell system from various places. I never said Taggy was doing it, it is the people in the shots gaming the dwell system. The dwell system needs to be fixed to reward those people who actually develop new and interesting things in the game, not people sitting and idling.

I'm sorry if Taggy takes it personally, but people are somehow idling at her place, abusing the dwell system. She should be upset at them for skewing the dwell numbers, not me. There is a reason and incentive that they have to game the dwell system. I'm sure I'll take a lot of heat and flames from people wanting to protect the dwell system as it is, and I'm prepared to be flamed. Gotta stand up for others and do what's right.

I personally would like to be given an apology from Hank as well. While I like being famous and having my picture out there for the whole world to see, I don't appriciate his words or manner.

However, he did bring something to mind that I really had not thought about. That is that I could be 'harming' the owner of the place I am idling in by taking L$, despite that L$ being freely offered.

I do hereby apologize to Ant... if you believe I did something wrong, let me know. And if you need the L$ back that I was given while on your land, just ask... and it's yours.

BTW, I never even thought of selling any of the L$ I have been given on GOM or whatever. If anything, I have been considering killing Goblins in EQPC (the original) and turning plat into L$. I use my L$ in Second Life to buy things in Second Life and rate people and contribute to bingo pots and have fun.

Kyim