Dwell Abuse

I've found that the "6 minutes = 100%" rule does not seem to be entirely true.

Duration does seem to have some effect. Most of what we know about the dwell system is anecdotal. Few tests have been done, and LL was not very specific in the announcement from which the "6 minutes = all your dwell" announcement was derived.

I have a feeling that some people may know the intricacies of the dwell system; these are likely the folks who game it.

Nonetheless, Chaos Theory always looks like this, and I've never seen anyone playing games at it. This has been true for months and months on end, and they are always dwell leaders.

How that occurs, well, I don't know.

So what you are saying is I can save time, money and energy, and stop hosting events, and stop having others host events in Le Cadre, and just simply put out a money ball 24/7?

Funny this looks more like a method to discredit a business than a true point of worrying about dwell.

anyone that can read can go see how the lindens have postulated dwell calculation. What they are doing here holds no merrit to that system.

So in Essense this looks more like an attempt to defame or discredit an business or owner in world than it does a witch hunt for dwell abuse.

Sincerely, Shadow

have you tried IMing one of them to see what the busy message is? it might say

"dwellin for free L$ yo! Im broke as a joke, rate me +x3 pleez!"

Nope, if you are on for five minutes, AND spend all your time on that plot you have spent all the dwell points you have for the day. If you spend 5 minutes there and 10 hours somewhere else, the dwell points get split, but add all those points together they equal the same points only one five minute dwell gives.

ROFL!

Sweet, so anyone wanna come sit on my plot for 5 minutes?

Kinda funny its only 5 minutes though isnt it considering a Linden sponsered event has to last at least 30 minutes.

Exactly... so stop making me have events, and just come plop your bootay on my plot for 5 minutes... geesh!

LMAO Sen, dont make me use a Le cadre vendor and I would spend 5 mins on your land making sure mine were good to go..

edited to add...<<<3prims baby

When I was a desperate newb without a dime in my pocket because I overspent on fancy new clothes, I went to Chaos Gaming Theory, lost the few remaining kopecks I had on their slots, and sat down and AFK-ed for nearly an hour hoping to get at least $20 from the spitting money ball or whatever. I got zip. I noticed there were lots of afk-busy people and I figured they had the time to camp and keep collecting $20. I wondered if some of them were paid to baby-sit the lot a la TSO, but I couldn't figure how that would work, given the low amount you get from dwell in the first place, and the length amount of time you get to be AFK (in TSO you're knocked off the server after 10 minutes).

I don't see how paying out $20 in this manner to some -- not all -- visitors on a random basis would really help dwell, which only puts in a few points in your account anyway.

I deliberately go and sit on friends' lands to help give them dwell just because we're relatively poor, and every point helps, and we're building or chatting and cleaning out our inventories or whatever anyway. For denizens of TSO, dwell just makes good sense. You visit each other to give each other points to help build the community. Of course there are people who abuse the system, like in the Sims where people sent flash mobs to baby-sit lots at the bottom of the top-100 list and drive them up to the top 10, a position based on visitor points. The system seems more complicated and sophisticated in SL, maybe because there's just a greater variety of lots. But the principle is the same, and it's one of the features that actually makes SL "a game" even though many sophisticated players like to pretend it's not (that's a game, too).

Dwell is the glue that can make SL stick. It gives people incentive. It makes you mindful to whom you are giving dwell. For example, if I spend 15 minutes admiring an empty Governor Linden sim in the middle of the ocean, as yet unsold and untouched, I ask myself, why am I giving Governor Linden dwell when I could be giving some friend with a struggling new store my dwell? It's my purchasing dollar.

BTW, Is it the custom to post shots of people in the game on a public forum to expose or critique what they are believed to be doing? Will those people have any right of reply?

lmfao!
Well actually we are remodeling our shops soon, and we may allow "approved" vendors as an alternative.

"approved" meaning no listeners. no timers.. no rotating textures, no sensors... you know all those neat features that cause lag and eat up resources

I own Chaos Theory Gaming. Exclusively. I do not have alt accounts that I log in, and in fact I rarely go there myself. I spend most of my time scripting in Gibson (working on new games for the most part). The people who you see there are indeed most likely there for the free money and yes they have found a way to stay logged in. If anything, *I* am the one getting gamed because the spirit of the free money machine is to encourage people to hang out and socialize - NOT to sponge off of me. I tolerate it because of the dwell, however.

The place has been empty recently because I have been holed up in Gibson working on a new engine for the games .. and pushing the technology of LSL to it's limits in the process. Do not lump me in with the people who game the dwell system. I built that place, I created those games and I have been working on more, very advanced systems for it. In short, I develop. I will even go so far as to say I am on par with the top 2% of scripters in SL.

My land tier is 1 sim. The developer incentive does not even come close to paying for it. Chaos Theory does not exist for the dwell. The dwell money I get from the land is insignifigant compared to the amount of money that is sponged off me daily by the free money lurkers. The one benefit (for me) is that I get ranked higher in popular places.

Again, those ARE NOT my accounts and they ARE NOT there by my direction.

To insiunate that I am personally abusing the dwell system is both inaccurate and inflamatory. Hank, you should be ashamed of yourself. I would expect more from you.

I demand an immediate apology.

With Regards,
Antagonistic Protagonist

Varian, sorry the orginal post looks like an attempt to discredit out of Jealousy.

Sorry but, I dont buy it, to many people have posted as to why the theory is fallable.

Another day in the world of ...who's the witch to hunt for today...

Wouldn't it be neat if we didn't have to think about dwell when visting friends, etc.? Just like RL. What a pathetically gameable system. Almost as bad as the rating system. SL will never be the metaverse as long as it embraces TSO like systems like these.

LMAO, well I guess that still counts me out. Even though I have one of the Least Lagging Vendors in the world

Jesus Shadow, there is just no pleasing you is there? LMAO... what do your vendors do?

and sorry for the thread hijack lol

Sen PM me and we can talk there about vendors.

amen!

both dwell and ratings are just really relics at this point. they're 'easy' to leave alone, so LL does. both of them at this point are flagrantly abused for personal profit by a minority of players, but those players get enough financial gain that they continue at it month after month, stipend after stipend.

I've seen people with +500's in everything after *A WEEK* of being in SL

I've also seen long standing people basically throw in the towel in frustration after seeing the abuses that go on, or getting abused by people themselves.

Both of these systems need to be *REMOVED* from monetary gain. So long as there is a ratings bonus, ratings will continue to mean *NOTHING* other than how much someone hates you (and screws you with negs) or how much of a weasel you are (and gotten yer positives with +300 build after bein in SL a week and havin built nothing)

or how much yer willing to pander to the dwell system. And no insult to you antagonistic.. but thats what you are doing. You knew very well what having a 'money machine' would do for you, dwell and 'ranking' wise and so you made one. Its not a bad act on your part, its simply an extention/reflection of a bad system.

There have been many many MANY MANY threads with alternate ideas and systems, heck i jus started *another* one for ratings over in feature suggestions today.. but this thread is correct in that dwell is simply not a 'worthwhile' mnemonic/system as it does not reflect popularity of a build, or its usefulness or contributions to the community.. which is what it was *DESIGNED* to do. When a system doesn't do what its designed to do, honestly, it should be either altered, or scrapped.

And as an afterthought... if this was a big concern, why not send me an IM? It's not like I am a newbie or someone who isn't somwhat well known. I am over a year old, a member of Tyrell Corporation and so far as I knew haven't done anything to suggest I am not approachable. Why not ask ME who those people are?

Again, I demand an apology.

-AP

I knew it was for the free money

I've lived next door to Chaos Gaming in Tan since Taggy opened it, and in contrast to all those who have had a problem with laggy, dwell-attracting establishments in the rest of SL, Taggy has been a perfect neighbour - considerate, helpful and communicative.

I wouldn't believe for a moment that the lurkers there are her alt accounts, or that she is gaming the system in any other way. I have far too much respect for her integrity for that.

If I were in Taggy's position, I'd think an apology would be in order too.

Just to clarify, I wasn't insinuating in my post that Taggy is doing anything underhanded. I was more or less responding to the posts about giving friends dwell, etc. I had a TSO flashback and it wasn't enjoyable.

Guys, the five minute thing is only good if you only spend five minutes in SL. If you spend a longer time, and move around the dwell points go down for each plot you visit.

Anyone know how many point there are in a 24 hour period?

Like if I logged into my land for 5 minutes a day and logged out, how much would I get.

What the hell do you get for dwell? Cash?