Officer Resigns? LL employeees

So which officers resigned today from groups?


All officers who are LL employees have to resign according to another thread in general discussion. I would like to know who they are.

*just how deep does this rabbit hole go she wondered.

The rules pertaining to what Lindens may or may not do with their Resident accounts aren't new. Robin only reposted them here because of all the concern over the possibility of Lindens griefing residents.

So if any Lindens resign from their group leaderships today, or tomorrow, or even a week before this fuss started, it's something that they should have months ago.

How do I know this? Am I one of these dastardly Lindens sneaking among us? *everyone rushes to check my profile* "OMIGOD SHE'S A GROUP LEADER REPORT ABUSE REPORT ABUSE OH NO I CLICKED IN DEBUG AND TURNED OFF MY UI"

No, I asked a Linden.

Isn't this a kind of witch hunt? Sniff out the Lindens! Burn them out of their hidey-holes, so they can't possibly have a second life ever again!

Some of the liaisons probably started Second Life as players. With identities that are just as real as your identity is to you. They became immersed in the world, the same as other fans of SL. Then they catch a break. They get to help out with the world more than before! Yay! But in their minds they are still Foo Avatar while Foo Linden is their work uniform.

Maybe it's an article of faith that I have that LL, as a company with a growing product and investors to consider, will keep a watchful eye on their employees and zealously respond to any customer complaints.

Anyway, before we start publicly speculating who's who, maybe we should respect the TOS and allow everyone to keep their personal FL information private.

Leave the Lindens alone! They have as much right to play as we do.

With all due respect, you have no right to know who they are. It's their own buisness, not yours, or mine, or anyone elses.

*edit*

Actually, to expand on that, not only do you not have a right to know that, it would be a violation of their rights if any group member told you what their RL job was. And this would be true if you demanded to know if they were lindens or if you demanded to know if they worked at 7-11. Its not your buisness, and its not the members of a groups' privledge to tell you.

LOL silly just silly

The right to privacy -- and the Second Life rule that protects it! -- is not silly.

It is also not silly to attempt to deny that right by inviting others to collaborate in your attempt.

However, it is amusing that you try to laugh it off when, instead of popular support, you face collected opposition.

Okay, let me try a different tack here. Instead of asking why you can't know the Lindens' personal accounts are, let me ask why you should. I haven't really heard anything from anyone beyond "because I want to know". Why should an exception in the ToS be made for releasing personal information about employees of Linden Lab?

Let the Lindens play and keep their private accounts private. They're easy enough to spot. When you cyber with them it always ends up involving gnomes.

Yeah uhh... Catherine (Cotton)... that's just not cool dude....

Hey, CC? Before I tell you, you're going to need to tell me your RL address, telephone number, place of employment, all other account names you own, including inactive or expired ones, all your script's RemoteAccessPins, and where your children, if you have any, go to school.

Invasion of privacy, much?

Julian, I thought Lindens asked people to wear Hippo costumes during sex...

Am I in the right forum for this???

In just reading what Catherine posted, (Cotton) -- it's evident to me that this is possibly the first time that she's heard that Linden's "play" the game in alternate accounts.

While many of you in Beta came to know them as Regular Joe's pre-Liason status, many of the player's didn't know that alternative accounts were permitted.

While many of you seem to already know the inside scoop of "alternative accounts" and what is permitted while playing the game; Robin herself recently just posted that information about the "rules" of alternative accounts. Information that many of us didn't know -- so please excuse a few of us if we take this information and digest it for a few days.

Some of the players have known this information for awhile; who is in what alternative account, what the rules of conduct are while playing in this alternative account.

For some of us, it's all new. Some of you from early beta have the (and don't take this word wrong) the advantage of knowing who's who under what account. That's why you're so comfortable with the disclosure this weekend -- you've known and grown comfortable with it.

Catherine, take a few days and just think about it, feel free to ask a Liason that you know and trust about what information you feel you might need to put your mind more at ease. Re-read Robin's post about what a "alt account" can do -- and don't worry if an officer of a group resigns. There's too many "groups" to monitor.

Linden's won't tell you who's in what account -- that's against TOS. And don't expect those players who do know who works at LL or is a Liason and is also a Regular Joe to tell you.

It's against TOS to give you that information.

Except that Catherine Cotton's been here since open beta...

Yes, Bino. And so have I, since mid-June.

But I didn't know as well.

I don't call the liasons often, and when I do, the questions are usually answered in IM.

I guess I didn't particularly care to know. Nor did any liason / individual that I've met offer up the information that they are also a liason.

So I guess my question of the day in all of this is quite simple.

How did so many people know that there were alt accounts?

And why is everyone upset when those who didn't know find out that there are?

Lynn, Thats correct, this is all news to me. I have always respected your opinions and I will take your advice on this. PPl assume I am just causing problems here. Nope just questioning outloud what is on my mind reguarding all of this new info. I guess I am old school I take ppl at face value, I dont assume they "may" be someone else. I take their word when givin. If ppl lie or decieve me well again old school, that is their "bad" not a fault of mine. So the lindens have been playing "so what" I dont care about that but I am concerned with the implications of it and how it affects things that they primote like, dwell, developer bonuses, leader boards etc. I thought it was a natural reaction to the news. Apparently others just don't care. That too is fine, but ppl ppl dont dog me when I question what is obviously news to me. I still support SL I still support the Lindens short of them screwing me over personaly I dont think that will ever change. Do me a big ass favor ppl try to think of my opinions as this; "how will this affect the game I love in the future?" That is my honest mind set. I dont want to see SL end ever. Lynn I am glad your in SL I at least know your the voice of reason and I respect you.

Cath

going a little over board again mole

Catherine;

Fair question and one I feel needs to be addressed. I realy don't think it would be a problem at all, except for the fact that the Lindens have promoted; dwell, development bonuses, and leader boards. I am concerned that a group of ppl form a group (a group which contains LL's employees) and recieve lots of; dwell, development bonuses, and/or are high on the leader boards. I was under the assumption that these things were ment for the average player. Lindens are not the average player.

1) they have inside information
2) they are the only ppl who know the true "loop holes, grey area's" which can be used to an unfair advantage over regular non linden employees.
3) they have much more experience in texturing, scripting and building than the average player. This can affect dwell, development bonuses and leader boards.

According to the news that the new development bonus will be based on scripting I have concerns there as well. LL's wrote the LSL of course their ppl have the advantage there.

Robin posted the rules so all of this is rather a mute point. I absolutly believe the rules are there as a necessary need, and apparently so does LL's.

Catherine

I can almost see this for Lindens who started SL as Lindens, but what of players that have paid for the game for a long time and played forever and then became Lindens, why should they have to give up all that they have worked for with their alts, actually in fact the linden account would be their alt.

JV

They now get a pay check? Ever heard of "conflict of interest?" That is what allowing them to break the current rules would do.

Let say for the sake of argument that they were allowed to get development bonus, dwell bonus, and were able to sell their L$ on the GOM. These things could easily be used to their personal benifit.

There are huge implications re:
Land sales
GOM/IGE
Auctions
Leader Boards
Dwell
Development Bonuses.

Lift these restrictions and the regular players never will have a chance. For some of us we like the current challenges it makes up part of our playing experience.

For the life of me I do not understand why anyone who isn't a linden would be in favor of the lindens not having the current rules that Robin posted.

Catherine

Catherine, I know we've had our diagreements, and i just would like to firstly point out, this is not a continuation of those disagreements, it is just my opinion on the topic at hand.

I can fully see why the rules are in place and for the most part I agree with them being there. It saves a lot of hassle from what may arise if they were no in place.

The reasons why I personally would not see a problem with them having no rules, is because on their alt accounts, they are players just like everyone else.

If they put amazing content into Second Life, then I don't see why they shouldn't be rewarded for that (be on the leader boards, on the most popular places list, get money from dwell.)

You make a good point, about them having an upper hand to regular players. That could also apply elsewhere though. Maybe people play who work on other games/graphic designing... they would have a lead on others with textues/design/scripting, etc.

Those who have been here since beta may know certain flaws in the system to use to their advantage/work around, that newer players may not know.

It just seems a shame that they can play, as a regular player, and not reap the benefits we do, even if they put the hard work in.

But catherine, as long as they don't use their linden accounts to cheat, their alt accounts are on equal footing with all of us to win those things... And if on equal footing to win then there is no reason they shouldn't be able to compete.

I mean god the players in SL have created scripts and builds that far surpassed anything even Phillip built in the beginning, so the idea that they are more skilled is bogus, there are plenty of players just as skilled as Lindens.

JV

Thanks Victoria good points. I think a pay check signed by LL is a heck of a reward. I am pretty sure the perks for working for LL's are pretty good as well. Hehe bet its fun too. Why on earth would any LL's employee even want a developers bonus? They get all the perks to begin with.

Catherine

JV in a perfect world we there would be no corruption. We do not live in a perfect world. They are not on equal footing when they work for LL's they HAVE inside information. They know where things are heading. To abuse that right would be WRONG. Again its called "conflict of interest"

Definitions of Conflict of Interest on the Web:

Any interest, financial or otherwise, any business or professional activity, or any obligation which is incompatible with the proper discharge of a legislator's duties in the public interest.
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Disclosure of any personal, financial, and/or professional interest that might create a conflict with the ability to fairly and objectively carry out one’s responsibilities as an ERP or COA member.
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Where the business interests of an organisation run contrary to its public obligations. For example, there could be a conflict of interest over a leaflet which is intended to educate arthritic patients about the importance of self-help therapy, but which is produced by a pharmaceutical company which manufactures drugs for arthritis.
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When a University employee is in a position to influence the conduct of a project for personal gain due to responsibilities or to arrangements with an outside entity. For more information on the University of Michigan Conflict of Interest Policy see the attached document.
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*. A person has a conflict of interest when the person is in a position of trust which requires her to exercise judgment on behalf of others (people, institutions, etc.) and also has interests or obligations of the sort that might interfere with the exercise of her judgment, and which the person is morally required to either avoid or openly acknowledge. (The lesser requirement of open acknowledgment is usually adopted when it seems too burdensome to require that the person in a position of trust to divest herself of the interest that conflicts with her position of responsibility. For example, some journals require that authors disclose any substantial financial interests that might have biased their research assessment. Requiring investigators to divest themselves of investments that they may have made on the basis of their scientific judgment would be too burdensome, and might even suppress publication.)
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A situation occuring when an official's private interests may benefit from his or her public actions.
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When a board members acts on what could be perceived as his or her personal interest rather then the best interests of the organization, there is a conflict of interest. For example, if an organization needs to purchase a computer, and one of the board members sells the computer system that the agency wants, the board member is put in a position where they might be perceived as benefiting monetarily from their own position on the board. There should be a competitive bidding process and if a product or service is purchased in a manner that could personally benefit any board member, that person should state their interest in the issue, and not vote or use personal influence on the matter, and should not be counted in the quorum for a meeting at which board action is to be taken on the matter. A formal conflict of interest policy should be included in the bylaws. Topic areas:Governance
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A conflict between the private interests and the official responsibilities of a person in a position of trust.
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Reportable financial interests that would, or might reasonably give the perception of affecting the objectivity of a researcher in making both programmatic and administrative decisions. These must be reported to both or either the State of Indiana or the Federal Government, depending on the circumstances.
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A position taken by a legislator on a matter that threatens the legislator's ability to vote impartially due to some personal interest in a legislative issue (pursuant to House Rule 69 or Senate Rule 36).
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The situation that results when an umpire takes money from the players, when a judge takes money from defendants and prosecutors, and when government officials take campaign contributions from people whose economic interests are affected by government policy-making. "We are the only people in the world required by law to take large amounts of money from strangers and then act as if it has no effect on our behavior." -- U. S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.)
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a principle under which outside activities, relationships, or financial interests of a recipient are determined to be proper or improper to prevent an individual from appearing to be or being motivated by a desire for private gain.
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A real or apparent divergence between a University employee's private interests and his or her professional obligations to the University, such that an independent observer might reasonably question whether the individual's professional actions or decisions are or could be determined by considerations of private gain rather than by potential benefit to the University mission.
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a situation where the tending of one duty leads to disregard of another
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the situation in which an agent’s interests may be adverse to those of his or her principal; immediate disclosure is required.
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Any business activity, personal or company related, that interferes with the company's goals or that entails unethical or illegal actions.
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when your personal interest collides with another interest calling into question your ability to make an independent value judgement.
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Circumstances which prevent an attorney from representing a creditor on a claim, often because the attorney represents or has represented the debtor
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For a managed care organization board member, a conflict between self-interest and the best interests of the plan.
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a situation in which a public official's decisions are influenced by the official's personal interests
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Catherine

But if you leave the GOM or IGE restriction on, then there is no personal gain and no conflict of interest... unless you believe land and money in SL to have real value (which it does if you can convert it but not if you aren't alllowed to).

JV