SA invasion update...

Since we're all so fond of using bad analogies in this thread, how about a few people from this forum go around and cause some trouble on another forum.

Then that other forum can hate you all and permanently ban each and every member from this forum, because of the actions of a few members.

Then they can say "Well then, you shouldn't have been associated with that SL forum, if you didn't want to be banned", and they can compare you all to the Klu Klux Klan.

I want ONE example of a SAer being banned for no reason. One. The lindens are usually VERY slow to ban or suspend, so I doubt they just up and decided to start haphazardly doing it now.

Also please note, as much hollering as there may be going on here by SLers, it has no bearing whatsoever on suspensions or bans. If it hurts your feelings to read negative feedback about a group that just HAPPENED to grow exponentially, and ironically coinciding with the release of 1000 free accounts, DON'T read, DON'T participate.

When suggesting to punish entire groups of people, the burden of proof is on the accusers. I'm not trying to defend people who have been banned. I'm commenting on people's willingness to ban very large groups that contain dozens of innocent people.

I want one good logical example of why the ENTIRE SA Goon group deserves such punishment as others have suggested. I have no problems with individuals who have been punished for breaking the rules, regardless of which group they belong to.

I got a 3 day because I made my av look vaguely hitler like. (No swastikas, he was wearing casual clothing. Just the face, and a very sloppy looking SS army shaped hat) It was the first avatar I actually made to look like something, and I intentionally kept it vague enough not to be offensive.

I wore it for all of 5 minutes, until someone mentioned I should probably change it because it was close enough that someone might get offended, and I changed it. I wasn't playing IC, and I was having friendly casual conversation at the time.

Few hours later I got a ban and an e-mail saying I was suspended for 'intolerance'. I didn't hear from a linden ingame once, and the one time anyone even suggested that it was possible that someone would take offense to it, I changed it.

It's not "no" reason but it was most definately being extremely quick with the bans for the sole reason of being associated with SA. (Heck, I'm not even in the SA group.)

I haven't seen one call out for mass punishment. What I have seen is a few calls for the non-hostile SAers to either police their own group or leave it if they are so petrified over the content of these threads.

I also submit that if suspensions/bans were doled out then there is nothing to prove. Which then brings us back to the burden of proof for your claims. Point, counterpoint.

Now, I am still awaiting a name of one SAer that was suspened/banned without good reason.

And I would like for you to show me a quote where one person called for any sort of punishment of this whole group.

Serveral people in the game and on this forum are expressing their negative feelings towards the SA group.

Some here have said that their users do nothing but cause trouble, and it's all they do. You can see the comments for yourself, and see how the general feeling towards all of them has been negative. I am just trying to stick up for some of the people who haven't done anything wrong.

I've already said more than enough, and I'm going to go do something else more constructive now. My goal is not to troll, or to argue with people I don't even know on a forum. I just don't like to see people being thought of badly if they do not deserve it, that's all.

No, some folks have pointed out that SOME SA'ers are greifing, and discussing the issue.Then other SA'ers come to the defense of their brethren by trying to paint a picture of a SL resident desire for mass punishment/exodus. If you choose to see it an attack on all SA Goons, well that is your choice, but it's really not the case.



You don't need to stick up. No one is saying anything about non griefing SAers. Except that maybe they should either confront the bad apples (to save your group's reputation) or leave the group if it bothers them so much that when some of their members break the TOS and actually have the nerve to smart mouth Lindens on scene trying to sort the issue out, get spoken about on the forums.

How funny that this internet world is really starting to mirror reality now that the SA guys are here.

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First post on that page.

And yet everyone seems to want things to stay safe and predictable by banning the lot of em.

Oh well, c'est la vis.

rofl at nolan nash

You believe this exact same thing about those wearing anthro avs, Bubba. I've heard this same logic repeatedly here:

"SA Goons: Don't judge us by the actions of just a few people causing trouble, we aren't all like that. We're only here to cause trouble for furries, because they're all into the bestiality, and there aren't any exceptions."

You guys don't want to be judged, but will freely *admit* in the forums to doing the same thing.

"Noone is being attacked soley because they are SL players, the only ones being specifically targetted for grief by the goons are the furries." <- This has been the sentiment of even the majority of the 'reasonable' SA goons.

In the same breath you'll ask not to be judged because of your affiliation, and then say that all you're doing is judging a -few- other people bceause of -their- affiliation.

We aren't into the sick crap you think we are. And no matter how many times you say "Yes, you are", that isn't going to change the fact that - no, we aren't.

No, if its just a few members you can improve your image by kicking them out of the group. The tools are there to do so.

KKK and SA? Hmm...I see some definite coorelations here, based SOLELY on the actions of SA group members in SL that I have seen.

No I don't really care about what avatar you guys choose to wear it's cute and none of my business.

Gee, that is a pretty stupid statement seeing as how it is not true. Sl does not mirror reality all that much, being what it is. Of course, your concept of reality and mine probably differ, as you reasoning abilities seem to indicate you are underage, and shouldn't be here at all. Please immediately send proof of your age to LL, or we shall ban your account.

That was MY quote, and it was in response to earlier quotes. It was NOT about banning SA from SL. It was a question about banning people from private land in SL. It would be much easier to ban the whole group, then to list individual names.

Which is "any sort of punishment for the whole group." I don't know what you're getting defensive about.

Way to take a quote that doesn't exist and follow it up with someone who isn't here to grief, to try and form an argument.

Does that mean I can copy and paste a quote from a random furry forum and stick it beside your quote to make it look like you are contradicting yourself?

If you're going to quote my posts in order to argue, at least read the actual posts. I made a fairly lengthy post not a page ago where I quite clearly said there are a minority of furries who aren't into it for sexual/utterly crazy reasons. We actually have a couple of them on the somethingawful forums, who manage to not get banned because they're not completely insane. Most of the sane ones don't call themselves furries anymore, so the point is moot.

Your entire reaction to this situation is exactly why furries are such easy targets. If it was only about the strange taste in porn, and furries reacted to it in a sane and reasonable manner, the goons would have gotten bored of it years ago.

I don't see it as 'punishment' for the whole group. I see it as a quick and easy way to defend yourself against griefers from said group. (I am lazy, so i would opt for the easy way out). Unfortunately this option doesn't exist. And I wasn't getting defensive, just splaining.

When I meet a nice one it will be the first time, and I have met a few, now.

A prediction, if you will.

The griefing parties of the SA goons will come and go once they get banned 3, 4 times.

Or failing that, they'll be rooted out as underage.

The other ones that are actually interested in SL will join, maybe buy some land, and become productive members of the in-world society.

Note: The latter is most likely the majority.

SL has a wonderful habit of assimilating potentially harmful attacks on it into its own society... case in point: WWII Online players.

The SA goons, the minors/griefers part anyway, will come, put some goatse.cx pics up, get banned, and go on to "attack" Lineage 2 or whatever they were preoccupied with before they found the accounts.

To everyone else coming from SA, welcome.

LF

all i gotta say is i LOVE how these people think we are somehow mythically blocked from reading their own forum threads. Like no one at all in SL has ever found SA funny.. but the *GOONS* intolerable.

Read the whole thread, someone from SL who regged an account already posted in the thread. It's pretty much assumed that games threads are non-secure, since it's been a public forum in the past.

Hey, if you guys wanna reg forum accounts to learn about the whole somethingawful thing, go for it. More the merrier. I'm sure most of the goons would even welcome you guys posting in the thread in games, assuming you don't turn it into a drama heap and get yourself banned. (Although I think most would probably enjoy that even more for the irony of it)

Remember that one guy, back in the beta, Schwartz Guillaume or something? I hear he was a SA goon!!