Lying, betraying ethics, and practicing smut

your welcome

I have no idea! rofl

i dunno i was probably doing national heterosexual week, lol. they were just examples but being proud of your sexual orientation is like being proud you like sugar. its funny how people find ways to feel special in the weirdest ways. feeling pride is something a person does if they did soemthing they acomplished. i dont think someones sexual orientation is some type of acomplishment.

Usually they start off as ways of coming together with peers to wash away some of the persecution, rejection and negativity directed at people who do not conform to the right or wrong ideals of the majority.

Okay, I'm confused again. You've said this in a couple threads, but what on earth does it mean? Is it an idiom in your part of the world?

havent the males in this country been rejected cause we arent queer eye for the straight guy enough? and we are always critizied for being males and doing what males do being males. its weird and kinda scarey when sexual oriention become trends. such as the new metrosexuals. males that are metrosexuals are most generally doing it cause they feel that it might swoon that special girl at work or soemthing to that effect i dunno. but the fact of a matter is that regular males arent acepted for who they are naturally yet everyone else screams they need to be acepted. the only reason why this issue isnt discussed is cause its easier to keep people nodding then thinking. its like a political candidate being anit-cancer. there isnt anyone being pro-cancer im sure

Well, did I miss being rejected? I'm a hetrosexual male and don't feel the slightest bit rejected.

As far as being critized for doing what males do, what would that be? Being male doesn't mean you have to "do" any particular thing other than pee standing up, and you really don't even have to do that. There are alot of total neandrathalic, insensative men in the world, but those aren't "male only" traits. We instinctually want to have sex (breeding instinct left over from the survival of the species days), but we can certainly use self-control...




Again I have to ask where or how "regular" males aren't accepted, if by regular you are meaning hetrosexual. Seems to me hetrosexual males are for more accepted in every facet of society and media than homosexuals. And that brings me to the possible explanation of why there are gay pride weeks and other such activities. Acceptance is an uphill battle for gay and lesbian individuals and couples and events such as these help break down the walls of intolerance and let folks know that those of alternate sexual orientations aren't monsters or perverts, but just people..like everyone else.

David Valentino
Co-Editor of The Erogenous Zone
Marble Manor Publishing

That didn't even come close to answering her question. What the hell does the Apple quote mean?

I think you may be expecting a deeper meaning than really exists.

I suspect that the use of the full name *Frederick* as opposed to the the diminutive *Fred* is a jab at gay men and that sometimes their full name is used amongst their peers. In my own experience, this is not any more true than it is for heteros, yet I have heard such things uttered a number of times, especially during my years in the military, usually accompanied by a falsetto voice and/or a staged lisp.

The *fruit* part, I would surmise, is just another adolescent innuendo in reference to gay men.

As for the origin of this particular quote I dunno, but have heard similiar quotes elsewhere. Perhaps it's a line from a movie or a book he is enamoured with...

Alrighty then....unfortunately I was not privy to the original content of Jon's thread...but I would like to give my side of the story...

First Jon and I had a wonderful discussion regarding religion during which I told him that though I do not consider myself religious, I do believe in some form of higher power...I even mentioned that Buddha wasn't a christian but Jesus would have made a good Buddhist. I listened to his desires to create a church and told him to be wary of backlash from the community but none the less I thought it to be a worthy cause considering his devoutness and convictions. At the end of the discussion I excused myself and told him that I was off to catch up with a friend....

I was taken aback and a bit miffed at being followed but Green lightened up the mood with a joke and he disappeared. End of story right....wrong...now today I go in world (after oral surgery and on some heavy drugs) to find a message that I needed to check the forums. What I have found is that most SL'ers are level headed and realized that the situation was blown way out of proportion and the perspective of the party posting was positively slanted. But I also found out that I am a guy, a slut, a liar and a whoremonger.

Green is an honorable and honest man, neither of us had or have any intention of being more than friends. He is also a wonderful scriptor which is why I purchased his product...to support his gift for the art. Not to go around spreading my pixels to any tube out there....If anyone was offended it was because they chose to be offended without first confirming the actual details of the situation. If it is smutty to sit and talk privately to a person of the opposite gender....then someone make a red light for the outside of my house. I am not ashamed because nothing was done for me to be ashamed of...but I am ashamed to be in the same species as someone who would speak in such slanderous terms about a situation where they were too spineless to ask what was going on! I would like to say that after the incident he did confront me and I told him that he was mistaken in what was going on and that Green and I were just joking with him, he exchanged cards with me again and all was well...he did not however tell me about this thread.

This is just sad and unfortunate...and God please grant me one wish if you are really out there...a neighbor with a spine I cannot put my hand through....


Ps also seeing as how it seems that he stated we saw eye to eye on several things...let me just tell you that when I brought up the missing gospels and the reference "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" he discounted them as fraudulent and seeing as how I realized he would not be up to debate the opposing opinions regarding Christ's life, I decided it was in both our best interest to drop the subject...seeing as how we had just met.

Ishtar hun, I'd not worry about it. If this guy doesn't leave himself, chances are he's gonna get himself banned fairly soon anyway.

Ishtar,

Please don't feel you need to defend yourself here. You don't. Good posting, nevertheless.

Thank you Sio...I feel a bit ackward anyhow dealing with this but I could not let a friend put himself out there for me and not explain what the true goings on were. We as women are often considered trashy and smutty for speaking our minds or for holding open conversation with those of the opposite sex...this is narrow minded and obtuse on the part of those who take party in this line of thinking.

Now that this is over...I am going to take some pain killers and go inworld to don my scarlett letter with pride .

Very very interesting book there. Even if you don't agree with the final theories, it's a fantastic look into a background history you sure didn't get in school.

And try not to fret about this guy. He's not worth the trouble.

I find it fascinating that as I withdrew my post (in regret and recognition that I erred), the parties involved one by one add their complaints to the thread.

I'm really peeved at Linden that I could not delete this thread like just minutes after I created it, but, Ishtar, your avatar and your character had never been identified. Why did you come and identify yourself only to make ME look worse than I already made myself?

While I have no doubt that you hate my guts now, Ishtar, be aware that I removed the story and tried to make the thread as generic and irrelevant to YOU as I could long before my last interaction with you when I sought to make things right, and I also talked with Green after he told you to look here. I'm sorry I followed you, but I honestly was just curious as to what you were up to and I was honestly just clicking around, bored.. it took me less time to get to your location on the map than it would have taken to IM you. And I know now not to do that (follow someone, esp. up to a strange location), but I'd done it before with others and they seemed to really welcome me. I have no hard feelings, but I understand if you hate my guts. Seems that other people here already do so, so it's nothing new to me.

I do not hate you...I was only upset by the fact that this entire ordeal was made public when it was a very innocent thing. I am willing to let it all flow under the bridge but please know that next time air your grievances with the party involved and not the world at hand.

Absolutely...they get a bit nutty in the conclusion but the historical referencing is superb and it's just a generally good read.

Probably has something to do with personal accountability, which means you shouldn't be able to make baseless and inflammatory accusations and then turn right around and delete them so as to look all innocent.

I am all for accountability, but I detest the notion of others' posts carrying through with the original idea, particularly the notion of Ishtar being all that was suggested. It's not for my sake but for hers that I wanted it deleted.

But my biggest annoyance is based on the fact that the Delete? option is there, and it promises to delete the thread, but then it doesn't. Grr.. that kind of thing is so annoying!

Ahh, see, upon hearing your religous viewpoints I am sure Jon went into recruitment mode, albeit subtly as you are obviously an intelligent person who has some knowledge on the subject. Which may be also why he followed you, which would conflict with his claim of innocently following you to see what you were up to. I would venture he simply wanted to try to enlist you.

A little of topic but I want to share an experience I had last winter:

I gave a born-again fellow a ride home from work. During that ride I was asked "Do you know Jesus Christ?"

Now, I am not a practicing Christian, I took my leave of organized religion many years ago, however, not wanting my simple charitible act to be turned into a theological debate I responded: "Yes, I am a baptized and confirmed Lutheran and even taught 5 year olds Sunday School as a teen for our church." (Hoping to fend off the impending recruitment attempt I knew was coming) I doubt whether I had told him the direct truth would've mattered to him as he instantaneously remarked: "YOU don't know Jesus, not truly" This guy is judging my life and I had spoken to him previously all of about 3 times concerning inter-departmental projects at work, for a grand total of about 20 minutes.

So now I watch as he digs through his backpack for some literature to hand me, which I told him I didn't want. He started to become agitated and more persistant saying *You need to come to my church with me one night, Jesus actually comes into the room with us. If you want to meet Him I can introduce you...*

Thank the stars we got to his house soon after. Couldn't have been quick enough for me. Alas, now he wants to sit in my car and spout more evangelical rhetoric at me. I literally had to tell him to get out after several more gentle attempts. (Of course he left behind his literature and cassette tapes, with nary a thank you for the ride, great Christian there..).

What bothers me is that this really isnt about religion. It's about a certain percentage of people who need something like this to help them forget that they have personal problems, at the expense of their not so captive audience. NN

Edited for spelling.

Double talk... Do you even preview what you write before you do so? Do you have any idea how much double talk and backpeddling you do? You write that which I have quoted just above and then feign (on the SAME thread page) that its for her protection. It was so nice of you to protect her by initiating this thread. Take note that 'ME' is the only capitalized portion of that post. NN

After reading this I went back, scanning all the posts and I don't understand what you mean by "others' posts carrying through with the original idea, particularly the notion of Ishtar being all that was suggested.", as far as I can see -you're- the only one smearing Ishtar. (though to your credit you didn't use her name). I didn't see anyone else carrying on with your suggestions ... except for you of course.

Just curious, isn't there a commandment about not bearing false witness?

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Well due to the fact that you removed it...I had no way of knowing whether or not I was mentioned and felt obligated to avail myself and to stand up for Green who was the most innocent party in all of this...you should have never put this to forum and let this be a lesson to you that in the future your grievances should be dealt with on a personal level not in a tabloid spread created to make those involved look like liars and rogues.

sorry for the grammatical errors and spelling but the pain killers that I am on do not allow for cohesive thought and spelling at the same time...so I either talk like homer simpson or spell like bart....I choose improper spelling.

If SL is to have a church, I imagine it should be truly ecumenical, encompassing all faiths.

I'll bring the knives and chickens!