Sorry for the Nuba nuke

I'm not gonna pretend to have read every single one of the posts here, but I do want to add my own point of view.

If someone I had built for sold on their land, my build is NOT part of that deal, and I would not hesitate to come along and delete it without talking to either party first.

Ok, maybe a little different for me, because I don't charge to build - but I build for a particular individual, not as a commodity to be profited from as they see fit.

But the same would be true if it were a paid or rented build - my deal is with the current owner, and unless there was some explicit contractual clause that it could be transferred - which there wouldn't be because I wouldn't agree to those terms - then a new owner can fully expect me to come tear it down for them.

The very very least someone could do if they wanted to transfer land with my build on it, is talk to me first. Not just assume that I'm happy for my stuff to belong to just anyone.

For one thing, in this case, I would very strongly object to being associated in any way to the new owner for personal reasons, so I would have torn down the mall too, based on WHO the new buyer was.

ROFL!!!!!
You have a sense of humor after all, Jauani. Perhaps we can be friends!

Anshe, this is where buying and selling land so much is bad, you broked something.

HERE HERE!

Could it have something to do with $?

i ono

And why is Sensual being ripped open for her questioning of Anshe's accent but no one said a word to Lordfly? Reeks of selectivism and personal issues.

Goddamn I love Anshe.... Rockefeller has nothin on you, girl!!!

Goddamn, I love you and all SL b*stards. You all rock.

I only clicked this thread because I saw your name Shepp and this is the best you got??

Goddamn I love SL!!! The plot thickens!!

Hey Dude, I've tamed down since I got suspended. Ole Shepp now plays the political game. He's gonna be president of the NuttyBloggers project, then invade SL, overthrow Phillip, and rule the e-world.

muahahahahahaha... don't worry... you can be my b*tch after it all takes place, jack. ha ha ha ha hah a

No more comments on the Nuba Nuke? Someone really should be writing a book regarding the business exploits of Anshe Chung. She's a modern day virtual Vanderbuilt.

I can't believe this is all the play this story is getting..... its HUGE!!! Guess it shows fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice.... nobody gives a feck.

my english gets worse when I'm upset .

i second this motion. someone at ll needs to talk to anshe about the damage she's doing to the sl community.

perhaps, someone at LL has all the economic statistics and mentioned that land traders represent only 10% of the land market and doesn't feel that anshe is doing any damage at all except in the perception of some nostalgic players.

Where is that quoted from, Jauani?

It should also be noted that the title of this thread seems to be a disguise for a blame shift.

i went to look it up but i can't find it now. perhaps i mixed up the figure with the average markup price that i quote below. i remember reading that land traders don't represent a large portion of the market but in my quick search i haven't been able to locate it. until i find it, i will have to retract that statement.

here are some observations of cory's i did find that may be useful in demystifying the land.

Thank you, Jauani.

Just like 9-11.... give it a couple days and the whole world forgets the event ever happened...

So how are things in Nuba these days anyway?

Please stop trolling and inciting people. While I don't always agree with Anshe, comparing her to Bin Laden is not just childish, it's irresponsible and actually could be a breach of the ToS.

Btw, I for one will NEVER forget about 9-11. What are we supposed to do Alby, let it rule our lives? We have to go on and believe me, no one wants to see Bin laden brought to justice more than me. Thanks for speaking for all of us.

[I know this thread is a little old, but I felt like posting for some reason...]

We've talked about player mediation of disputes a lot on these forums and in Town Hall meetings with Linden Lab representatives. I'm glad the one Linden post to this thread merely reminded us not to get completely personal in the forums. That's not what they are for. BUT I'm also glad the thread was not deleted, because if we ARE to have player mediation, this may be the only place it can start.

While I'm no mediator, I feel like speaking my mind for some reason. Take it as you will.


I don't think either player did anything wrong, and while both acted rashly, neither seems to have “crossed the line” in their behavior.

There doesn't appear to be a problem anymore -- with what's done, done -- since both individuals seem to be happy to see a new building, built by someone else, go up there. There doesn’t even seem to be a need for mediation. "Bad blood" between them, if it exists, is not something that can be mediated away.

Nether seems to have broken any agreements, though a potential agreement was aborted.

IF the return of the builder's vendor was the one and only reason the building was removed, I think the builder acted rashly. If there were other reasons, including, perhaps, not liking the buyer or just not wanting to maintain the building for a new owner, then the building's removal was not that rash of an act. I'm willing to believe the best without further discussion. I would suggest to the builder that it would have been polite to inform the new owner of your intentions. Doing so in a courteous way may have prevented further ill will.

The owner should not be faulted for the returning of the builder's vendor from its prime location, as the owner may or may not have known about the builders agreement with the prior owner. And though it should be obvious that there was an agreement of some kind since the building was in the possession of someone other than the land’s previous owner, the land was bought through automatic means (with the subtle pressure of “buy it now or someone else will”) and the previous owner was not available for discussion. There could have been no way at all for the new owner to know of prior agreements at that point in time.

However, impolite or not, the removal of the building by its rightful possessor should not have been cause for retaliatory action on the part of the new owner against the builder. The misuse of the ratings system (while a minor thing in and of itself) suggests rash action on the part of the new owner. While a negative impression of "behavior" can be legitimately construed from these events (as subject to personal opinion), "appearance" is unrelated and "building" is contrary to the central idea of the dispute. If the owner did not like the building, then its absence should not be considered a bad thing. It would seem to me that one, if not two, of the ratings were uncalled for and in contradiction to the sprit of the ratings system. That these ratings are changeable at a later time is a good thing, and I would suggest to the owner to consider that a possibility.

Banning is within the owner’s rights and since the builder does not own adjacent land to the mall in question, I don’t see any reason for dispute on that point.

The third parties affected by these events, the existing tenants of the mall, have not suffered greatly, or at least no more than should be expected in a change of ownership. True, if the building had been transferred into the possession of the land’s new owner there would have been less disruption to trade. But as it is, the disruption is minimal, and would have been the same if there had been an accident during transfer or if the new owner wanted to build from scratch to begin with. A post to the forums by the new owner explaining the loss (to those tenants that bother to read the forums) would be appropriate. No more needed to have been said, however. If the individuals affected should want details of the events, such information could be given to them privately. As the Linden post reminded us, the forums are not for airing dirty laundry.


But, that said, where else can mediation take place? Not that I’m a mediator. Not that this was an attempt at mediating. This was just my thoughts on the events as depicted here in this thread, as separate from the individuals involved as I could make it, focusing solely on what has been said to have happened. To follow the letter of the “Forum Guidelines” in this matter and others like it, it almost seems to me that a 3rd party would be needed. Someone (or someones) who can absorb both sides of an issue, strip the personal aspects of the stories, and post the result to a special forum for public viewing and debate.

But that would never happen. When events such as these occur, it is human nature (regrettably) to act quickly to defend regardless of rules, standards, or even common courtesy. The only hope is that, with each further generation, more individuals learn from mistakes and rash actions made in the past and choose to join the ranks that rise above pettiness and conflict.

Oh, but in case my final thoughts are taken the wrong way, I do want to reiterate that I don't think either player did anything wrong in this case.

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A 2 second photoshop, forgive me lord.

http://img25.exs.cx/img25/175/NubaNeverForget.jpg

Two things to Cory's written paper that isn't mentioned.

(Wrong thread, I know, so flame me.)

While Cory speaks of the motivation of the land resellers, he is also forgetting the unmotivation of those who are losing the auctions. He is also forgetting that some of these individuals have no scruples except to the allmighty USD that they can purchase. Yes, they even tried to bite the land that feeds them. You want motivation? Just watch as existing land owners in one sim outright purchase the land at an extremely higher price just to keep a particular land baron out of their sim.

While speaking of "added value" to terraformed land, I'm betting that he has not witnessed the raising of land up higher (especially near beachfront property) using an illegal script to raise it up further than +4 allowed. Woe is the newbie who purchases that land and tries to landscape. It defaults back to the original location, giving one of those sheer, cliff-like abnormalities that we haven't seen since beta. I have watched as beautiful and perfectly matching land across sims with two different owners become a "gultch" as the land was raised. Liasons can't help, and the script is still out there.

Finally, it doesn't make sense to take a beautiful 65K metered sim and cut it into all 512K pieces. While we are having serious delayed rezzing of objects and textures, just think of what all those newbie, coloured-purple, spinning cabins will do to a sim's FPS; not to mention the extra drag on the bandwidth.

But hey, there's nothing wrong here -- let's all just move along to the next unsolved mystery at hand. I, myself, am enjoying seeing all those little squared white "for sale" parcels over the map. Some are even getting creative in their cutting and parcelling to make interesting designs. Progress!

I have one of those *gulches*. Can't seem to fix it. It sucks because I took alot of time to make the area look natural. When the new sim went in north of me, the land was raised in the manner which you describe, I watched it happen, and now I am stuck with this V shaped cut between our property and the neighbor's in the sim just north of us.