robin linden's response to hypocrisy thread

*thinks*

'Goddam Siggy, your absoutely right... and you have devilish good looks..'

Am I close?

Well.. thats prolly what your thinking Your just too shy to say it out loud.... but thats okies.. I feel the love..

Magnum?

Oh wait, no, he wasn't in popeye

Jonquille,

<<Anshe very clearly stated that 'they' consider themselves more than us mere consumers because they have more money.>>

Anshe's original statement:- <<Most of us here have invested considerable time, emotional capital and financial capital in this country. This is what we feel makes us stakeholders. More like you and in contrast to e.g. merely tourists, users, consumers, players, etc.>>

While it might have been worded better your interpretation is far from how I read it.

I took it to mean that some people had more of a stake in Second Life than others; those who invested their time, their emotions, their energy or, indeed, their money in Second Life had more of a stake in what happened than someone who logged in once a week to chat with his mates.

Personally I completely agree with the comment. I am certainly a stakeholder, as I would imagine are most of the people posting here.

I can expect it, and I won't get it. I could also expect one for being called silly and ignored. But then, you aren't the type of person, apparently, who would apologize for such statements, any more than you are the type of person who would refrain from making them in the first place.

And that sucks for you.

coco

Unfortunately Sel, that aint the original statement.. the original you can find in either the hypocrasy thread - or look up Nolan Nash's sig line, he quoted it there..

the repost is more a backpedal really.

I disagree with you, Selador.

Yeah, poor me.

I would gladly apologize for such statements if they were incorrect, and I would refrain from making them in the first place for the same reason. Alas, neither case applies.

Thank you! At last someone takes a rational, thoughtful approach rather than jumping into reactionary mass hysteria.

Just because someone has limited English skills is no reason to completely misconstrue every sentence that comes out of their mouth.

No, it's not fair that such a small group met with Philip Linden.

No, the meeting did not last 2 hours--less than an hour I believe.

Regardless, the group continues to be open to everyone. Nobody has been expelled from the group as far as I know (still being a tenacious part of it), and there has been a huge surge in membership today, based on at least 50 pages of dialogue for and against it.

Coconut Koala--you fought an amazing battle today girl. Pat yourself on the back.

I've been on and off forums all day too, and have not slept more than an hour since I read the first post from "Editorial Hare" (who btw broke TOS, did he not, in posting a chat log without permission of everyone involved? who cares. I voted for freedom of the press as well)

Who would have thought good intentions on behalf of a few (and who am I to judge who has good intentions and who does not?) would turn into such spite, anger, and narrow mindedness on behalf of so many? Karma for many of us is sincerely f****d up today.

Have a good night everyone.

Ha ha ha Jarod's trying to convince me that the only point the very landed can have in common is the fear that LL will implement p2p teleportation. I keep telling him that LL have made it very clear over the past couple of weeks that it'll never happen. But you know Jarod, he's just sure that's what this is all about.

How does making fools of yourselves in public do anything to support the unecessary argument that p2p will destroy SL?

There's no misconstruing the original post. It is quite blatant. As for good intentions, one needs only look at the track records of those involved.

Please do not insult non-native speakers of English by using that as the explanation. Anshe does not have limited English skills. She has been manipulating her use of English from the moment she stepped in these forums. When she wants to appear the sympathetic figure, then out comes poor English Anshe, challenged by even the simplest of grammatical concepts, the article a/an (she use's one quite liberally instead, though she has mostly abandoned it of late). Suddenly, she posts with flawless English, and even manages to speak in l33t speak and be sardonic. This has nothing to do with Anshe's language abilities, it has to do with her repeatedly stated belief that she is above others because of how much money she spends in SL. All of this is about protecting her financial interests. * yawn *

Such open-ness is a farce, if a recall of the founder, via a vote of the membership, is immediately circumvented. Shows no respect for the opinion and and good sense of the membership - they might as well have not been allowed in in the first place, if their votes are immediately over-ruled. I still don't know the truth of this recall, what happened, and how/if it was circumvented. Maybe the open entry is necessary to make philip willing to talk, but is otherwise a tedious sham ?

I would also be grateful if people would stop posting as though membership is an unique privilege giving access to private meetings with Philip, and preferential influence over SL's future. Some are trying to give this impression (perhaps not you, Sansarya) and it is misleading and pretentious.

Philip has made it perfectly clear that he is willing to engage in similar discussions with any other concerned group which may so request. This Prok/Anshe group is not "THE" lobby group, it is "A" lobby group. No need to catch this bus, there will be another along in a minute. Or drive your own.

Personally, I don't find this group or its wishlist, compared to the wider issues, at all significant . Philips announced willingness to talk to any of us in person, on the other hand, is.

here are some interesting quotes in red now.



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You laugh, but name one other thing in the last month that has unsettled both Anshe and Prokofy. Name one thing that they've both claimed will destroy the economy and the world. They want to protect Second Life from "the tourists," but tell me what's the one thing every tourist wants: easy and direct access to an attraction.

I am more convinced now than I was before that telehubs are a form of DRM -- or whatever the teleportation equivalent is -- if not technologically, then socially. Look at the arguments: Music industry says, "We want to preserve the status quo of music to prevent the descruction of it." Justice Watch says, "We want to preserve the status quo of telehubs to save the economy."

Did we say that? I don't remember reading that.

coco

StoneSelf,

Thanks for the quotes. I have to say that the first two quotes, both of which presumably come from Anshe, make it clear that my interpretation is the only one that can seriously be sustained. Yes, of course, a group made up of stakeholders like all of us in this forum will not be ideal to represent the interests of someone who comes in once a week for a shoot-up in Jesse. That seems self-evident to me.

As far as Prokofy's comments, they are misinterpretations of the original remarks in exactly the same way they have been misinterpreted in these forums. But he is only one among many, and from what I have read, his more extreme suggestions have not been adopted.

"or you disagree on any level, then just don't join the group."

Also, when an officer recall is going on, no one can join that group. So another optional scenario is that it was done on purpose to keep a flood of people out while the controversial thread was going on. I don't think this happened personally, but it is still another possible scenario.

THIS little shit-stomping temper tantrum from the officer who admits they have not read the last meeting's agenda because they have been toooooo busy on the forums!

Irony. Simple irony.

You asked for the points to be looked at. Cienna looked at them and explained in a very thorough manner that she didn't agree. What does it matter if its the points or the principles?

So, what about a group whose officers have made it clear that they don't regard most of SL as being the same as them? What about a group who has a member who is insulting and rude to people who disagree? What about this same group purporting to promote justice and equality for all? The inequities in THIS are glaringly obvious.

*shrugs* I fight inequality as well and will never stop. And a group who is so blatantly hypocritical of it's very name? Of it's supposed goals and aims? Hell yeah, I'll fight it.

So why were you not informed of the meeting(s) beforehand? Why did the meeting take place with those two, but not you? I'm assuming that Prok has other ways to get a hold of you. Hell, even offline messaging you so that it goes to your email? Where was your power during that?

*sits next to Jake with a huge container of junior mints*

Some days, forums are like a car accident, you feel compelled to watch.

I told LL to implement SCMODS. Iron fist. Iron fist.