I'm back for the 1.2!!! READ ME!

It was very nice to see you last night Chance. I am glad you have chosen to stay in SL.

Don't be discouraged by detractors.

I will admit that one mayhave difficulty not being jealous of you; but that jealousy would be based on what you have in RL, and when I come to SL, I leave my RL prejudices and such at the login.

Welcome back Chance

Briana Dawson

You know Eggy, I have watched your posts and very rarely commented on them, but I won't let this one pass. You always post about how this is not a competition, how money is bad, how we should all give away everything for free, blah blah blah, and then you post about how poor you cannot compete with the big bad rich people. At the same time, you malign Chance - how dare you call him or anyone else a random idiot. That level of arrogance is present in so many of your posts, and I am sick to death of seeing it. Chance has just as much right to do what he is doing, in the rules of the game, as anyone does, and your whole capitalism is bad, rich people suck, etc.. thing was annoying enough the first 500 times you've spouted off about it. You can post all you want about what you think is right or wrong about the game, but when you start maligning people, you cross a line. I am sure I will get an equally arrogant flame back from you, but I don't care.


PS - speaking about how hard you have worked in the game, I don't doubt that - but you also ended up with Omega Games, the hard work of someone else, not because you worked so hard to build it, but because it was awarded to you. Make up your mind in these posts - you can't have it both ways.

No, I'm actually not very young, and am a former economics and sociology major.

The vast majorty of thw wealthy fall in to one of two classes: heridetary and upper management. (Which is also frequently heridetary but not always.)

As always, very rich discussion. Lots of stuff to work out - believe me we are listening carefully.

A couple things to clear up:

1. We aren't striking any deals with anyone to buy plots of land before we release them at auction, or simply put them online for L$ purchase (as with 1.1, etc). Chance will have the same opportunity as anyone else to purchase land. Making land buyable in a way that is totally fair seems like a critical obligation for LL.

2. As mentioned, we will sell land at all different parcel sizes so that all is fair. We will sometimes sell entire sims, but balanced with smaller parcels. Whole sims are expensive, for us and for residents, so I would suspect we will sell more smaller plots than large.

3. We will sometimes sell land for L$ (as before), sometimes at auction for L$, and sometimes at auction for $USD (you won't then need to buy the land for the L$ rate). We'll start and see how things go, and adjust the ratio we sell for each accordingly.

And is there any possibility of adjusting the L$ rate for land fees to something a bit less... I dunno... downtown San Francisco insanity?

Eggy, they may rent the right to own a bunch of sims, but they still have to come up with the Lindendollars to buy them in the first place. There's also the fact that though there is a BUNCH of land for sale, I dont see any entire sims on the open market yet. I suppose you could have Linden Lab set you up a couple of servers if you proved a commitment with a nice fat check. If that is the case, certainly nobody will be forced to visit them.
I've never yet heard of any game company hoping for the success of another, even if they are working togather, so this, if it is in fact true, has to be a first.

Cristiano, if you read my post more carefully you will notice that I didnt call anyone any names.
I merely mentioned that with v1.2 any random idiot sitting on a pile of RL money will be able to waltz into the game and wreak havoc. By "random idiot" I merely meant that it wouldnt take a special person with any particular skill to get a lot of land, merely RL wealth.
I use the expression "random idiot" very often. My apologies if you find it arrogant. I would prefer that people like you, who have never taken 5 minutes to get to know me, keep their misinformed notions about my RL personality traits to themselves.
David, as I mentioned before, L$ are very easy to get. You get them for free every week, you get them for events, you can buy them online (more RL wealth issues), and I think you will find that a lot of people will gladly contribute obscene amounts of money to your project if you ask nicely - especially if there's a possibility that they will turn a profit on it.

Hmm, I've just received an interesting PM from a friend of mine... in the interests of full disclosure I am reproducing it here:

Eggy, I won't post this as I am less flame-resistant than you, but not only is Chance a jerk, but he is also a liar and an ICAAN rule violator:

Chance One
31325 CyberSpace Ln
Windows, OS 55555
US

Registrar: DOTSTER
Domain Name: ZIRUX.COM
Created on: 07-OCT-00
Expires on: 07-OCT-04
Last Updated on: 21-NOV-03

Administrative Contact:
One, Chance [email]123@321.com[/email]
31325 CyberSpace Ln
Windows, OS 55555
US
333-313-4187

Technical Contact:
One, Chance [email]123@321.com[/email]
31325 CyberSpace Ln
Windows, OS 55555
US
333-313-4187


Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.ZIRUX.NET
NS2.ZIRUX.NET

Hooray Chance!

i'm amazed that i am able to agree with both Eggy and Chance at the same time! what are the chances???

i, for one, expect to take up chance on his generous offer. i think it is a great use of this stupid new system that LL is putting into place.

i applaud eggy for pointing out that it is indicitive of the devaluation of creativity and hard work that people put into the game and a blatant grab for more real life dollars.

once again, i feel we must all use any means at our disposal to stop this horrible 1.2 thing from happening! in the event that it does, however, let's give chance a shot at it. it's the best idea i've seen so far at retaining the creativity in the game that we all love so much.

give it up, eggy. can't you be a little more constructive? again, i applaud chance for maintaining his privacy.

So it's not just in SL that he has a dubious reputation? ROFL.

I merely forwarded what I had been requested to forward. You draw your own conclusions - FWIW I've no idea what ICANN rules are and why he violated them. If I had received a PM from a friend of mine who wanted to speak highly of chance while retaining his anonimity, I would have equally posted it. I have no hidden agenda against chance, believe it or not.

whatever. if you are going to act as a proxy for this person, you can't expect it to be one-way. you are responsible for what you post, regardless of who you are quoting.

it's unbelievable how wound up everyone is over this 1.2 stuff, myself included. i really hope LL doesn't go through with it, at least in its current state.

Wow, talk about greed. Take RL money into it, and look who comes running back to SL: the disreputable realtors.

I happen to be a CEO too, but I choose not to be greedy and get money at every small chance there is (your name is quite fitting, eh?)

According to Philip's post on this thread, the only way Chance would be able to aquire a full sim (atleast at the start of 1.2) would be to bid on all the land in it, and win each bid.

I trust Philip in his stating that LL wishes to be fair about this. I hope that trust isn't broken.

I do wish that the L$ price for buying land would be lowered considerably.

Perhaps I worry too much. I assumed that a corporation that WANTED a presence in Second Life would be willing bid successfully on every plot. And that they would offer whatever money was necessary to buy Linden bucks from a sufficient number of residents to make the $L fees. And then that they would "gate" the sim, put professionals on the content, and logo-ize it.


Whatever. I know the Lindens feel they can't restrict ownership or real-world advertising, but I sure hope they have SOME sort of plan if things get out of control.

I'm sure if a company REALLY wanted too they could do all that. But most likely they'll piss off alot of residents to the point that hardly no one will want to go to the sim. Its still potential.

And if they did restrict logos in sims alot of SL developers would have no presence, as alot have their own logos.

This is very simple. Wether you all like it or not, I will do what I want to do. I am simply taking the new changes for my won to use. If you don't like it, too bad, go cry else where.

Eggy, just to satisfy you:
Samuel Johnson
1833 Susan Dr
Tyler, TX 75703

Contact: 903-257-5008

Give me a call sometime, and we'll chat like real people, insterad of posting flames in a forums, when all I was trying ot do is offer epople help with their land/prims. There is no "investement plan" in this. (Good idea though, maybe there will be.), and even if there were, Eggy, there's not a damn thing you can do about it. You are no-one special, the world will not change for you, no matter what you say, or how much you hate something.

And to clear a LOT up, I am BY NO MEANS RICH! Yes, I do have the chance to throw out money here and there, but like any of you, I struggle, and wasn't fed anything by my parents. Every dime I have, I worked very hard for. Eggy, work hard in a game, then cry about someone that works hard in real life, and then want's to offer free land or land at 1.1 pricing, grow up.

Now that this whole topic went from me letting people know my plans, to a huge off the topic discussion, I'm frequently reminded how over dramaticly people take a game that is ment to be fun, not to have greif causing players.

And yea, I took a JetBall gun, that would orbit people, hacked slot machines, unintentionately stole casino items and distrubited them. Hell, even if it was all intentional, the fact of the matter is that I'm still here, I let it go, and Eggy is just too damn childish and wrapped up in his own petty sorrows to let it the hell go.

If LL allows me to do as I plan, then I will sure as hell do it, no matter what you say, or what LAME dirt you try to dig up. You act like all I'm trying to do is monopolize land,a nd post billboards everywhere, when that is not the case. I was going to do positive with it, and keep things fun, simple and plain.

And Eggy, grow up, and stop your "I've worked so hard" pitty party.

Well said Chance, and I forgot to mention this in my last post, but I am glad to see you coming back

I did not comment on your RL personality anywhere in my post, I commented on the arrogance that you show in your posts when writing about others. Whether you are arrogant in RL or not was never stated by me, only that I found your postings to be so. My notions are not misinformed - I have read your posts extensively, and have formed an opinion, which is mine (though also held by others) that you berate people in your posts and come across as arrogant. I hope you are not like that in RL, but even if you are, I never implied or stated that you are.

Ah I do remember you. U played back in beta right? LoL I loved that gun.

It is very funny how many people playing these types of games/online community VR's, get so into it that they make it feel like RL, or at least a protion of what you go through in RL. But that is another topic discussed many other times in the past, and one that is ment more to be discussed with your shrink.

I think what Chance did before was great. Becasue it is what we are all supposed to do in these times of "games". It allows to "still" test out SL, to see how stable it "still" is. And for another reason it allow the people willing to pay the $$$ every month to experience and let our their own choices that they would not be able to do in RL. So no matter how you think, what chocies you make, or if you decided to flame this topic and all of 1.2 more, it still comes down your oppinion to play this your way, and how other want the same choices to do the same.

Their is never going to be a balance between one person opinion, or choice and anothers opinion or choice. Something I feel the users of SL, RL, and LL need to understand. So just live with it.

Ying Yang

* Hey mod I think that is a good ending for this topic don't you. Either that or I will bring out my flaming gun.

Ok.. blame the wine, blame the fire lit while in debate, hehe.. I'm going to put a few thoughts into this thread; Which has become about a lot more than one person's idea of what to do with the land in SL with their RL money. Chance and his personality aside, I have watched this thread become an argument of rich against poor, and I've seen enough of that in my lifetime that I don't want to see it so much so in the game I adore.

I am one of those persons who is going to have to scale back on many things in the game because I do not have the RL$ to support myself in game. I wish that I did, but the choices I've made in life have led me to where I am, and I just cannot make this payment no matter how much I wish I could.

Raised by a mother who was a hippie and political activist, I was taught to hate the rich. No matter what, they were evil and had come into their money by ill gotten means. I always disagreed with her on this, and still do to this day. And now, my own mother has had to eat her words by the fact that a couple that happen to be millionairs have adopted her and are on her same political level save that one fact of money. Her excuse? They are exceptions to the rule. pfft. My mother is an idiot at times, though I love her to death.

Look, the prices in SL are absurd. Rich or Poor they are unacceptable. Most that are rich both in game and RL are that way because they do not pittle their money away. They look for deals and they scrimp and they save. How do you make money? You don't spend it on crap you don't need. If you see good investments, you make them.

In SL, I started what? Three months or so ago... (Cris can help me with that estimate)... I worked, I built, I created, I networked.. And wow, I was among the first 25 to recieve a developers bonus. Tell me I didn't bust my butt to get that and I'll smile at you, nod, and move on. I'm a nice person, at least I try to be. But nothing gets under my skin more than a blanket statement against any group of people. Be that based on their race, religion, lifestyle, and yes, even wealth. Don't lump everyone together. It hurts your argument and defeats your ultimate purpose. =p

So, yes, I'm fighting in my own way against the horrid pricing scheme of 1.2.. I love most everything else about it though. I also welcome those who may come in and take advantage of the system. WE WILL STILL be able to not make those people successful if we choose to take our Avatar bodies elsewhere besides their land. The things we can do while *in game* are going to make a heck of a lot more difference than any words we place on this board.

Ok, I'm rambling now. I love a lot of what has been said in here. I respect every post here. And thank you all for letting me voice my own opinions.

I'll believe this when I see it.

Wow, I'm starting to hate this thread. So why am I reading it? Er why am I even posting to it??

I don't always agree with Eggy (although I think he has some points here) but I don't think everyone's listening to exactly what he's been saying. (Though a few things definitely should have been clarified a bit better.) Same thing with Chance...I don't think he's a jerk based on what (little) I know of him, and I don't think he has evil motives or whatever here either...

Chill out guys, this does seem to throw a bit of a monkey wrench into 1.2 but this thread has gotten way too personal and hostile to be very productive anymore...

I'm not going to posit an opinion on this one way or the other, but I can understand why Chance would want to do this. He's trying to start a game server company and if he can get LL to use a few of his servers then he has something to show to other prospective clients, and that's absolutely vital for trying to get a business like that off the ground.

But dude, registering your website domain with bogus information is not smart. People looking to do business with you WILL look that up, and if it was me I'd immediately think you're a fly-by-night outfit and take my business elsewhere. Not smart. Great looking site though.