Proof that people will do something just because they can

I don't subscribe to that thinking either, but it is the reality in SL. I agree with everything you said - but in the end, Linden Lab has given the freedom to allow this to happen and ultimately there is little that can be done. If someone wants to do something with their own land, they can, no matter what impact it has on the sim - resources, terrain, etc. It is one of the selling points of private island living, and the reason I bought all of Mavericks, just to avoid people doing that kind of stuff. Their decision to gut the sim affects every other land owner in Blue, but in the end, so what? There is nothing in the TOS about not being an inconsiderate jerk.

If the Lindens would design sims so that all lots had at least one face along protected land, this sort of silliness wouldn't have as much impact. You might still wake up with an unexpected waterfront view, but at least you'd be a peninsula rather than an island.

It might not be practical for existing sims, or even all new sims, but it might be worth trying on some new parcels.

while this is wrong, you have to admit, it's a lovely house.

Just a question, this lake area has been there for quite a while. Has the person who started this thread tried to contact the owner of the land *before* (keyword here) starting such a fuss in here? I would seriously doubt it. Its oh so much more fun to talk about things in the forums.

Hay Cristiano, are you Charlottes alt?
The balls in question was there a long long time before Charlotte came over scanning the land and causing problems.
I hope that you like this thread. I've enjoyed reading it a lot, its given us lots of entertainment.

When the community pay each others land fees they can have a say. Sorry Ulrika, but I've been reading your posts for ages and what it seems to me is this. Anyone who subscribes to YOUR point of view should have a say, everyone else goes on your 'naughty' list. If they pay for their land it's theirs to do with as they wish. no ammount of pissing and whining on the forums should be allowed to change that.

No one said that they don't have the RIGHT to do what they want with their land. And certainly, no one thinks that the "pissing and whining" in the forums WILL change it.

But, folks don't have to think it's very NICE of them to terraform in such a way that the rest of the sim is a wreck, either. Just as they are allowed to terraform to their heart's content, so is everyone who thinks it's very inconsiderate allowed to feel that to THEIR heart's content.

No, folks don't have to think it's nice. But my post was aimed at Ulrikas comments on the situation. I object to people thinking that because they don't like something they should automatically have the right to have it changed. My point is that you may find it unfair for someone to force their terraforming monstrosities on you, but by the same token is it not unfair to force your taste onto them?

I'm just tired of this 'right on' crap I keep seeing here. And of course, I am entitled to feel that to my hearts content also

I kinda wonder wouldnt this fall under #6...... disturbing the peace, inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life.........

Disturbing the Peace
Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace. Policies and Policing

I have a tendency to believe that there can be some sort of compromise reachable in any given situation. Is it unfair to force your "terraforming monstrosities" on someone - let's say me? Yes. It is. Is it unfair for me to say you can't terraform? Yes. It is. I just think that there can be a balance where - say ... ok, terraform as high as you want, or as low, but, can we keep a 10 meter perimeter (maybe 5m on each SIDE of the border, even - 5 on mine, 5 on yours) where you don't sink it as low as it can go, or raise it as high as possible? As opposed to just creating a huge sinkhole in the middle of everything with a cliff right outside someone's door.

Arrr! Where be me booty?

Robin,

The lake area has not been there for quite awhile - a few weeks at most, if that. I haven't been in SL much because of the constant login problems and other issues. And yes, I sent offline IMs, never to get a response. It's interesting you can try to fault me for presuming something, when you are doing the exact same thing with your post.

Yeah, you caught me, my alt is a foul mouthed chain smoking British woman. I bought out her land when she needed to leave SL suddenly, and then sold off part of it. Those giant eyesore balls may have predated her, I was only going upon what she told me. As I found her to be rather honest, even bluntly so, I had no reason to question it. I am glad you find the thread entertaining. As I said, people can do what they want with their land - the TOS protects you even when you want to be a jackass to everyone around you.

First off your right, the lake area has been here only a few weeks.
Second, you have not tried to contact reddish. I just asked her. Nothing from you has been recieved in her IM's. At least not before you went on this crusade. Yes, I don't think that your speaking the truth here.
Anyway. I've had enough fun in this thread.

That's fine, I did send her offline IMs - whether she got them or not is immaterial to me, if you want to call me a liar, so be it, I could give a care what you think, honestly. It all comes down to the fact that she and whoever else gave no care to those around them when they gutted the sim and made it into the fucked up mess it currently is. That is what my post is about. No crusade from me, regardless of anyone else in this thread - I just called a spade a spade.

I stopped by there to peek and noticed an officer from the group in question that owned the submurged land.... didn't say anything though... and I won't say who, I am not gonna violate TOS... but it looks like they were idling there above the 'crater'.

Don't know much about how the terra-forming thing work - can someone explain how this happened that all the surrounding parcels were flooded?

The group in question lowered the land to below sea level. The only "flooded" parcels are the parcels they own.

Mojo,

None of the land not owned by the group was flooded, though some of it has been altered because of the way terraforming works. Blue is one of the older sims that has very liberal terraforming restrictions (newer sims cannot have what happened in Blue happen in them). What the group did was drop all of their land below sea level, which created a giant crater in the middle of the sim, and dragged down the edges of the land around it. The way that things work, they were unable to completely drag the rest of the land - it just creates giant sheer cliff walls and things.

That's a constant concern for me, since my cousin lives with us

I am constantly amazed at people's lack of courtesy for their neighbors. I guess it's nothing new -- some people just don't give a damn. It makes me appreciate zoning laws and building regulations in real life much more, though.

I think you are sitting on it.

I'd rather have crazy water cliff land then .25 simCPU .75 time dilation 30 simfps land... (hint... Fudo... hint...)

Problem in a nutshell?

The TOS in this place is not worth the paper it was written on BECAUSE.........

Linden Labs do NOT allow their own employee's to use their own judgement & common sense in world.

You people do relize that you are complaining over a few verticies and pixels right? That this has nothing to do with you because the land isn't even yours right? Now if he moved YOUR land downward you may have an argument, but this is his land, he is paying the tier fees, so he can do whatever the hell he sees fit with it.