The Featureati
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
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05-13-2005 10:25
From: Cocoanut Koala I don't mind so much that these people (the featurati, techi wiki, FIC, whatever you want to call them) are running the game. All things are like that, with a few people who become famous, successful, and/or known to or in with the bosses. And the bosses become complacent with that, and overlook the very active and successful lives of many, many little people they could just as easily interview. porky is just jealous she is not famous, successful, or contributing usefully to sl. she is infamous, and she likes it because it boosts her small ego and low self-esteem. it why she attacks anyone more successful than herself.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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05-13-2005 10:29
From: Chip Midnight When it comes to stuff like this LL will always be damned if they do and damned if they don't. There will always be cries of favoritism or bias. There's nothing they could ever do along these lines that wouldn't result in a thread just like this. They don't make the website for existing SL'ers. They make it to pitch SL to people who aren't yet members. If you look for a common thread among the people they chose to profile it would be that they all have very successful in world businesses that pay for their tiers and leave them some profit free and clear. That's a pretty good selling point for SL if you ask me. So do club owners and others, lots and lot of others Chip. You know exactly what we're saying here. 
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Marcos Fonzarelli
You are not Marcos
Join date: 26 Feb 2004
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05-13-2005 10:29
From: Ingrid Ingersoll Marcos is a great guy if you get past the constant farting. Someone gave me this can of beans thing when I was a newbie and I've never been able to figure out how to remove it. 
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
Join date: 1 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,941
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05-13-2005 10:33
Well..no one interviewed me, and since I am by far the most interesting and worthy AV running around SL, I know that it was indeed a favoritism thing.
I think I'll do one in protest anyway:
David Valentino (aliases include: Poopy Head, Sheepf*cker, Hey You and Perv!)
Joined: Dec 2003
SL Profession: Fetish, D/s Club Owner and Porn Peddler
Store: Yabune
Location: Yabune 185, 30
SL Income: Ummm..L$300 a week tops...unless I join Best Butt contests...
Sign: Yield
Likes: Building, Socializing, Weeping quietly in a fetal postion.
Dislikes: Pecan Pie and Onions
SL Pets: Too numerous to name. But most are fluffy and go "Baaaaaa".
Quoted: RUM! Hey baby....is that a box on your head or you just happy to see me?
Tips for New Users: If your a guy, buy a really big prim penis. Chicks dig'em. If your a girl, come see me and I'll put you to work as a high class escort/dancer/submissive/waitress/hostess/stewardess/servant/secretary. I pay L$20 a week, and that's tax free darlin!
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Ice Brodie
Head of Neo Mobius
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 434
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The Conspiritari
05-13-2005 10:33
There is this small elite group that is trying their hardest to make sure everyone thinks they're not the elite members of SL by pointing at everyone else and whining in a high pitched voice, someone on this thread is one of them, possibly multiple someones... but someone among them has been on this thread for a good portion of it.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,706
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05-13-2005 10:36
From: StoneSelf Karuna porky is just jealous she is not famous, successful, or contributing usefully to sl. she is infamous, and she likes it because it boosts her small ego and low self-esteem. it why she attacks anyone successful than herself. Like it or not Prok is famous - and will probably be remembered long after you and I Stone are forgotten. Yep, and probably for reasons we don't agree with, but he does have his place here in SL and does have some insights. But he's become a parody of himself, which is becoming great fun and very predictable. His message would be more effective if he did not give reasons why he believes what he says. State it and move on. Back to bow-Banna-mana-flana, so hana, do-dumb-be-dumb oh hum! Hum-Oh...
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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05-13-2005 10:39
From: Marcos Fonzarelli Oh please. I find clubs, even the really well made ones, to be extremely laggy. So I rarely go to them. My reasoning is purely technical.
You're just putting all kinds of words into our mouths. People have all sorts of reasons for disliking one thing or another, so please dont' assume that we're all snobs. You know, it's funny you said that, Marcos, because (probably because I'm a writer and a contributing editor) after I wrote that, and thought about it a bit, I could just SEE what happened - somebody saying, "I hate clubs, they are really laggy", and the editor putting up the page thinking, "well, gee, we can't say they are laggy . . ." lol. And please don't take this in any way as me denigrating your efforts. Naturally they want people to know about the vast success of, for example, Chip Midnight or Kermit. As I said, it is natural for successful players to rise to the top and get noticed. I did wonder why, if this was to be only about the top people with the most visibility, Anshee Chung wasn't featured. AND OH YES! DEFINITELY no need to refer to the group as "land speculators" - which has a very poor connotation - when you can just as easily say, "real estate agent." Tsk tsk tsk. You know, here's what I think it is: I think the Lindens do really truly know and understand that clubs and entertainment and socializing must have a rightful place in the game or there is no player base, and no one to buy the stuff people make and script. The game can't grow without it, and I think they really do recognize that. It's just that they are such techi-wiki types themselves, lol, that although they are AWARE they can't see something important, they still can't see it. Hence these errors in the featuring of people. I looked at that comment by Lauren. It wasn't comforting in the slightest. It suggested mainly that they had left out a few of the already over-exposed players, and would get around to putting them in eventually. Let me repeat: I am ALL FOR successful, hard-working, creative players enjoying their spots in the sun because they EARNED those spots. But this has been poorly done, the same old same olds are featured yet again; nothing has been said about featuring a more broad base of players; and it is, as Prok said, all tainted with the limited view of what the world is, who is in it, and what people are doing in it, and the relative importance of their contributions. People who provide entertainment content are just as important as those who provide physical content. I'm sure they will read this thread and make an attempt to get more regular players in the spotlight in future. One thing we could do is make suggestions. I mean EVERYBODY could make suggestions. I can think of several players living rich, complex Second Lives, making and selling things, or running around role-playing, holding events, etc. - that I bet you the Lindens don't even know exist. You really can't blame them for knowing mainly the loud-mouths among us, like me. Either we suggest other people for them to feature, or they need to open this up so any player can write his own little bio or whatever and ask to be featured. coco
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Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 2,734
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05-13-2005 10:43
Very well said Coco 
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Oz Spade
ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
Posts: 2,708
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05-13-2005 10:44
Prok, dude and/or dudette, you're late, I pointed the profiles out *yesterday*! From: ME The Resident Profiles, anyone remember on the 2nd iteration of the website, there were Resident Profiles, in which the profiles were rotated, and you could submit your own profile, a picture, with a little something inspiring about SL. I'd like to see this return and replace the current profiles among the website (no offence to those featured). See! I offered a nice solution that would give everyone a chance to voice their point of view or express their individuality and I didn't attack anyone in the processes!  I'm more offended that the current profiles are reminsent of those from Playboy, but don't supply any nude pictures. Humph.
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,955
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05-13-2005 10:48
From: Oz Spade Prok, dude and/or dudette, you're late, I pointed the profiles out *yesterday*! porky isn't very original. don't worry about it. From: someone See! I offered a nice solution that would give everyone a chance to voice their point of view or express their individuality and I didn't attack anyone in the processes!  that's where you went wrong... if you want attention you need to flame people. From: someone I'm more offended that the current profiles are reminsent of those from Playboy, but don't supply any nude pictures. Humph. i'm offended they aren't more like playgirl... 
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Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
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05-13-2005 10:51
You know I think Prokofy should have been included on the website. He (yes Prok is a he, or so he says, and the av is male, and the she stuff is getting old and tiresome) has caused quite a stir in the forums, to be sure, but, he is still successful in SL. In truth he has orchestrated some amusing events, and has taken time to explain land issues to my stupid self, and he has been a pretty cool landlord. This may or may not coincide with your expereince with the man, and thats fine. But he is a significant figure.
I also think people like Uesugi Mushashi should be featured. As far as I know she doesn't build or script, but I see her all the time. She was th first personI ever met on SL and was very helpful. She has made herself famous as a socialite. I think People Like Palomma Casanova should be featured, she has made modelliing an industry here in SL.
Like I said the list of people is extensive, and thereare a lot of voices I woul like to hear from. And they aren't mine. Or my alts.
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Oz Spade
ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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05-13-2005 10:51
Drat, knew I missed a ingrediant in my post reciepe.
I haven't seen the playgirl profiles, how are they? Nice?
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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05-13-2005 10:54
Oh my god. OH MY GOD! OH. MY. GOD.You're telling me... Second Life isn't fair? 
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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05-13-2005 11:03
From: Jake Reitveld These are the cool kids of SL. Sounds like a bit of sour grapes...I am a low profile member so I must disagree. From: Jake Reitveld I think a better Idea would be to feature different people every month or so, whether they are designers or socialites, and including them on the website, with a short profile...but LL should change up the faces from time to time. I would bet all of my Linden that LL plans to rotate profiles or residents. I am living proof that its not the "same old, same old" since I am included for the first time.
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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05-13-2005 11:05
Which one are you under, Katikiwi? Those links above didn't work, and I didn't find you.
I was hoping, though, that you were living proof that it wasn't all same olds, since I didn't recognize your name.
I'm not about any sour grapes, though, when I criticize this. I am NOWHERE NEAR being ready to want the exposure that being featured offers. When I am, though - if ever - I will want it, and the free advertising it represents.
coco
P.S. I DESPISE clubs. lol
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Arcadia Codesmith
Not a guest
Join date: 8 Dec 2004
Posts: 766
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05-13-2005 11:06
Land speculation is, well, speculative. Read any of Anshe's posts on the subject. If you speculate, people will call you a speculator. Deal with it.
Interpretation is, well, interpretation. To interpret "Dislikes: clubs" as snobbish is reading a lot into a couple of words. I dislike clubs, but it's because I'm not a social animal. It doesn't mean or even imply that I feel myself in any way superior to clubbers.
And here's a tip from community building 101: reward people who make substantial contributions to making your community a better place to live. Spotlighting them serves the dual purpose of encouraging them to continue contributing while inspiring other users to follow their example. So in the area of land management, you'd want to spotlight somebody with a talent for virtual civic planning over a churn-and-earn opportunist, just by way of example.
And if you're unveling a new spotlight, stick with known quantities for the debut. They're less likely to bite you in the ass by way of thanks.
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,955
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05-13-2005 11:09
From: Arcadia Codesmith Land speculation is, well, speculative. Read any of Anshe's posts on the subject. If you speculate, people will call you a speculator. Deal with it.
Interpretation is, well, interpretation. To interpret "Dislikes: clubs" as snobbish is reading a lot into a couple of words. I dislike clubs, but it's because I'm not a social animal. It doesn't mean or even imply that I feel myself in any way superior to clubbers.
And here's a tip from community building 101: reward people who make substantial contributions to making your community a better place to live. Spotlighting them serves the dual purpose of encouraging them to continue contributing while inspiring other users to follow their example. So in the area of land management, you'd want to spotlight somebody with a talent for virtual civic planning over a churn-and-earn opportunist, just by way of example.
And if you're unveling a new spotlight, stick with known quantities for the debut. They're less likely to bite you in the ass by way of thanks. that makes too much sense. go away.
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Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
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05-13-2005 11:09
Oh Kati you are a cool kid! lol and I mean absolutley no sour grapes. I'm just elevatin' ya hun! *winks* When I wrote that I hadn;t see that you were FIC already! Its about time. Cause I am decidely Katykiwiati!
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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05-13-2005 11:10
"And if you're unveling a new spotlight, stick with known quantities for the debut. They're less likely to bite you in the ass by way of thanks."
I understand that, too, Arcadia, and thought of it before you told me about it. It is also a problem that will be inherent in any idea of rotating people to feature, but I feel that downside will have to just be dealt with somehow.
As for the land speculators thing - what's wrong with calling them real estate agents? I think that is a more accurate word to represent what they do. I hope the page will be edited to say "real estate agents" rather than "land speculators."
coco
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Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
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05-13-2005 11:10
From: Jake Reitveld You know I think Prokofy should have been included on the website. The "dislikes" section of his profile would have been too big for the window provided.
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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05-13-2005 11:17
From: Cocoanut Koala As for the land speculators thing - what's wrong with calling them real estate agents? I think that is a more accurate word to represent what they do. I hope the page will be edited to say "real estate agents" rather than "land speculators."
Speculating is a more accurate definition of what we do.
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Prokofy Neva
Virtualtor
Join date: 28 Sep 2004
Posts: 3,698
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05-13-2005 11:18
Prokofy is he.
Marcos, if you said something negative about clubs and then gamed out that I'd be sure to notice that, I hope you have a guilty conscience. Because your customers who buy your avatars wear them to clubs, so you ought to be a little bit more tolerant.
Land "speculator" is perjorative, and none of the other professions contain any perjorative connotation.
Yes, Coco, I agree with what you say -- all of it. And yes, the Lindens are tekkies and that explains why they are like that, not out of malice (like you see on the forums here) but just out of lack of awareness.
Aimee, there is a third place where your full-frontal pin-up type screenshot in hot gear type kewl stuff is available on the website. Lots of people have seen it! Well, you have to guess. Anyone who can IM me in the private messages (so as not to reveal the secret) with all three of Aimee's appearances on this website gets $50).
The suggestion to randomly rotate the profiles is a great one. But they didn't do that, did they? If they could just have a roving reporter fly in world now and then and just snap some people or events or builds, that would be great. But that's probably too much work.
My criticism of the Featureati is not jealousy. Honest to God, you ought to know me better by now. My criticism is criticism lol. Deal with it. Maybe in the provincial areas where you reside there isn't any sort of cultural criticism, criticism of the theater, social criticisims, satire, etc. That's one of my activities in SL, and that's what I like to do. It's not about lying awake at night and feeling sour grapes. It's about seeing something that is as obvious as the nose on your face and calling it.
Because I don't want to spend hours picking away at some dinky skin or build or script, that's just not my thing. If I want an audience the size of SL's population, I can get it in RL by doing more important things than drawing nipples in a tatooed skin. Sorry, but there it is, I don't get REAL excited about the Featurati's accomplishments because basically, they are just selling Barbie accessories and I know it, and you know it! It's fun playing house!
I chose to do real estate just because it's fun, not like what I do in RL, and has a certain monetary award to it sometimes, and you also get to meet a lot of people and learn what they like and dislike about the game and how virtual worlds work. I'm quite happy in my chosen occupation and I don't need to go trail in adulation after one of the top content-barons and spend weeks or months apprenticing to them.
It's a game!
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Prokofy Neva
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Join date: 28 Sep 2004
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05-13-2005 11:20
From: someone You know I think Prokofy should have been included on the website. If they asked me, I'd turn it down. I think there are other people they should feature that will help new people realize the potentials of the game. They're just too ambivalent about real estate to feature someone like me, and if they are going to feature a realtor, it should be Anshe or Bob or Blue -- yeah, I'm mentioning all their names again! Go, Blue! Just bought some Patagonia from Blue, it was only $8999 for a 1024 in a prime location, flat, nice, sunny -- thanks, Blue!
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
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05-13-2005 11:22
From: Prokofy Neva Prokofy is he. played by a she i heard in world. are you trying to justify your behavior by claiming it's roleplay? people don't have a problem with the avatar. they have a problem with the person playing the avatar. we could use gender neutral pronouns. it sie/hir e/er they/them
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StoneSelf Karuna
His Grace
Join date: 13 Jun 2004
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05-13-2005 11:24
From: Prokofy Neva My criticism of the Featureati is not jealousy. Honest to God, you ought to know me better by now. My criticism is criticism lol. Deal with it. Maybe in the provincial areas where you reside there isn't any sort of cultural criticism, criticism of the theater, social criticisims, satire, etc. That's one of my activities in SL, and that's what I like to do. It's not about lying awake at night and feeling sour grapes. It's about seeing something that is as obvious as the nose on your face and calling it. hi cleo
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