Why don't Lindens want you to have TV tech?

*points Mole to USL* I guess you could find it there?

Thanks, Hank.

That's the script I was talking about, Damien.

I don't know Angel or Alondria, and certainly don't have a clue as to what sort of business relationship the two might have had in the past concerning the "TV Tech", but my view is this...

Let's assume for a moment that Alondria wrote the script in question, which it sounds like even Angel is conceding. Linden Labs provides a very nice and convenient mechanism for Alondria to copyright this script. All she needs to do is not check the "Next Owner Copy/Modify" boxes.

If Alondria provided this script to Angel for purposes of pursuing their business goals, then great. If she did so without a written contract (out of world, not in-world, because we know there is no contract mechanism in SL), then Angel is well within her rights to do whatever she pleases with the code.

If there was a written contract that Angel violated, then there exist mechanisms (small claims court, or perhaps binding arbitration if that is what the contract called for) for Alondria to persue remedy.

If the code was provided with a clear and legally binding "C) Copyright" statement that retains the rights, then there are remedies. Copyright infringement is not taken lightly by any court in the US.

But to expect LL to be the judge and abitrator of every copyright dispute is absurd. I'd much rather that they spend their time and resources on what matters to all of us, which is improving the SL technology and experience for all. We should be glad that LL has provided mechanisms for creators to protect their IP, but we should not be asking LL to correct some perceived grievance when a creator decides, for whatever reason, not to avail themselves of this feature.

My opinion is that once code is transferred with copy/mod enabled, and without a clear copyright statement, then the creator no longer has control over its use and distribution. And asking the Lindens to step into the middle of this dispute is a waste of time for all of the rest of us because that is time and resources taken away from what is really important.

My US$0.02...

- Ace

I think if Alondria, Brianna, and/or Fizik has a problem with what Angel is doing, it is their job to take it up with her. I really don't see a reason for everyone else to be involved in this one. If you think there's copyright infringement going on, report it, but let the small party of people that this involves duke it out here; most of us aren't inside that circle of people anyway.

Gawd, looking at that web site gave me an instant headache. Reading code in a 1" wide column on those backgrounds really isn't fun.

Isn't this a fairly simple thing to accomplish in SL? I've seen many people ask about how to create animation using llTextureAnim in Live Help among other places. Just curious what separates this as a HUGE NEW INDUSTRY if its really been around quite some time?

Regards,

-Flip

Or if you were NORMAL you would understand after the FIRST deletion that it should not be posted. But instead you repost it 6 times in 12 hours?

Anyone reading this, do yourself a favor:

#1 - Left Click Angel Leviathans name next to the post.
#2 - select "Find Other Posts.."

Read that history, especially 2003 and early 2004. You will see exactly what the problem is. History speaks for itself if you wish to educate yourself.

Briana Dawson

Um, I'm !clue, as usual....Can someone explain to me what "TV Tech" actually is? What, we can watch straming video content from a scripted prim? I'm interested in it if something like that is available; speaking not as a coder or a merchant, but as a potential buyer.

All the info you need is right here


http://www.geocities.com/angelsslpubilcrelease/TVtech.html

See my post here: /120/46/25148/1.html#post239731

There are actual, or were actual TV networks as you described.

As far as I can tell no one was selling TV's like I was and not nearly as many. The code is very robust and allows for a great deal of customization. As for the website it's on I can only say sorry. It's a quickly thrown together geocities thingy and it looks bad. The point was not for it to look good but to share information.

http://www.geocities.com/angelsslpubilcrelease/TVtech.html

That's crazaay. I wish they had that attitude about my C R A P S game that is being sold all over SL.

Uh, Angel? I've looked at Alondria's code that you're sharing. It's relatively basic and uninspiring. Nothing special, and something I could easily crank out in thirty minutes or so. Yes, it's got nice controls built in, but it's not the holy grail of scripting.

Interesting how the concerned party, Alondria, isn't exactly posting in this thread in dismay over the source being shared. So, what is the big deal anyway? Its out of the bag now, a bit late to stuff the genie back in the bottle.

Game Over, eh?

She's posted in several of the other threads that have since been deleted, Maxx. I'm guessing she's not even at a computer to see these particular threads right now.

I never said it was special. It's merely a means to an end. Most don't have the ability to make it and many have asked for it over the last year. Thats all.

Alondria works at a computer all day. If she had something to say about this, she would. She knows there is no ground for her to stand on and that this action is right for the community. She told me she wanted what was best for the community the night before last, and I could not agree more. Power to the people.

http://www.geocities.com/angelsslpubilcrelease/TVtech.html

I agree. In the past when I complained about stolen code they said all I could do to start a group to make people aware of said ripoffery. So Lindens, why didn't you take the same stance this time?

With all the talk about the new permissions systems, I would think you would applaud Angel for breaking the wrapper on the content she owns.

Thing is, I'm not even sure the relevant Lindens are aware this is occuring. Remember, they all work exclusively 9-5 M-F jobs. When I contacted Char Linden about it, she had to actually contact one of the forum moderators in order to get the late night threads removed.

I actually expected most people to think me. Many have, but you forum whiners have to keep on keepin on. bleh! Thanks Jack.

Why are you trying to cover up public info? Why would you deprive the residents of a script? What business is it of yours?

http://www.geocities.com/angelsslpubilcrelease/TVtech.html

Ahh well, Angel post it in the scripting forum and scripting library (if you haven't already) and they'll probably leave it up.

No, they already took it down once.

You can find it here silly!


http://www.geocities.com/angelsslpubilcrelease/TVtech.html

Thanks for the negative rate.

*note, I mention no name.

Despite what Angel is saying. I speak to Alondria via other Instant Messengers from the morning until she logs to go to work and then when she gets home.

Alondria does not currently have access to the forums or even her Instant Message programs during the day as she told me this directly. If she happens to post today, it will be out of sheer effort to get to the forums and see what is going on and I would be surprised if this happened.

Briana Dawson