Thanks for the negative rate.
*note, I mention no name.
*note, I mention no name.
Theft is a crime in SL, even on Avalon and mall sims.
Sadly, the punishment never fits the crime.
Someday.
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Angel Leviathan
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10-19-2004 08:53
Theft is a crime in SL, even on Avalon and mall sims. Sadly, the punishment never fits the crime. Someday. http://www.geocities.com/angelsslpubilcrelease/TVtech.html _____________________
Did this post appear in a BD thread or qoute BD?
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Angel Leviathan
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10-19-2004 08:55
Despite what Angel is saying. I speak to Alondria via other Instant Messengers from the morning until she logs to go to work and then when she gets home. Alondria does not currently have access to the forums or even her Instant Message programs during the day as she told me this directly. If she happens to post today, it will be out of sheer effort to get to the forums and see what is going on and I would be surprised if this happened. Briana Dawson It's funny how you a person Alondria could not stand is now so close to her. You two have things in commmon I guess. I can't say what here, now would I, I just hope you catch it when it comes back around. _____________________
Did this post appear in a BD thread or qoute BD?
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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10-19-2004 09:25
It's funny how you a person Alondria could not stand is now so close to her. You two have things in commmon I guess. I can't say what here, now would I, I just hope you catch it when it comes back around. The ability to for people to see differences in one another, learn from one another and grow intellectually with knowledge shared is part of living a mature life. Maintaining a sour, angry, vengeful attitude, or permanent dislike of someone for superficial reasons is just <insert label because i dont wish to>. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
bye bye f0rums!
Join date: 22 Jan 2004
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10-19-2004 09:37
I bought and paid for not just a script, but the rights to it. Do you have proof of this? This would certainly help your case. _____________________
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Moleculor Satyr
Fireflies!
Join date: 5 Jan 2004
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10-19-2004 09:45
Do you have proof of this? This would certainly help your case. She hasn't ever in the past myriad of times this issue has come up. |
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Francis Chung
This sentence no verb.
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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10-19-2004 10:54
Let's assume for a moment that Alondria wrote the script in question, which it sounds like even Angel is conceding. Linden Labs provides a very nice and convenient mechanism for Alondria to copyright this script. All she needs to do is not check the "Next Owner Copy/Modify" boxes. If Alondria provided this script to Angel for purposes of pursuing their business goals, then great. If she did so without a written contract (out of world, not in-world, because we know there is no contract mechanism in SL), then Angel is well within her rights to do whatever she pleases with the code. If there was a written contract that Angel violated, then there exist mechanisms (small claims court, or perhaps binding arbitration if that is what the contract called for) for Alondria to persue remedy. If the code was provided with a clear and legally binding "  C) Copyright" statement that retains the rights, then there are remedies. Copyright infringement is not taken lightly by any court in the US.My opinion is that once code is transferred with copy/mod enabled, and without a clear copyright statement, then the creator no longer has control over its use and distribution. And asking the Lindens to step into the middle of this dispute is a waste of time for all of the rest of us because that is time and resources taken away from what is really important. This is not actually true. In fact, the opposite is true. Distribution rights are never granted implicitly. Whether anything is marked with " C) Copyright" or not is irrelevant.Nomod/nocopy/notransfer boxes are a forms of digital rights management. Just because something is not protected with DRM, does not mean that it is public domain or that it is not protected by copyright. Some starter material: http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html _____________________
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Foster Virgo
Registered User
Join date: 16 Jun 2004
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10-19-2004 11:03
I'm guessing because it's a huge waste of bandwidth to even attempt streaming animated textures at any length that would even make up say 30 seconds of real time video?
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Jeska Linden
Administrator
Join date: 26 Jul 2004
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10-19-2004 12:04
To clarify, should there be an Abuse Report alleging theft in-world, we will investigate. Claims of this type are largely centered on permissions, and generally any object or script for which someone has permissions would not be considered stolen.
Permissions, however, do not imply or establish copyright. Intellectual property disputes and copyright claim are handled in accordance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). If a DMCA claim is properly filed, we will remove the material in question pending resolution of the claim. At that point it is out of Linden's hands and will be resolved outside of Second Life. |
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Jack Digeridoo
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10-19-2004 12:10
If that's true Jeska, then who removed the script from the scripting forum and why was it removed?
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Trimda Hedges
Creator of Useless Prims
Join date: 19 Nov 2003
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10-19-2004 13:26
If that's true Jeska, then who removed the script from the scripting forum and why was it removed? I second Jack on that one. What has occured with this posting, and numerous other postings related to this? Infact, I noticed atleast another entire thread where Angel provides a link to the source of this script on a third party site gone missing. Please elaborate what has occured there? Hehe, this ain't Stragics' boards or something of the likes... Oh, Angel, waiting for my answer  Kidding  _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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10-19-2004 16:20
Why is it okay for you to steal from me?... ...You all have a right to know how to make animated textures. You all have a right to know how to display them easily. You have a right to this info that should have been public a long time ago. Eh? If you believe it should've been public long ago, why are you upset that Briana and Fizik have it? _____________________
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Chase Lomax
Registered User
Join date: 22 May 2004
Posts: 46
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10-19-2004 16:22
Interesting topic ..television....some forums these days are like soap operas...keep it up all as it makes great reading lol
On a serious note I believe some of the forums lately have become campaigns for crusaders where dirty laundry is hung out for all to see. Surely this isnt the place for that??? It seems as if some SLers prefer playing forums than actually playing and enjoying SL. thats my 2 bucks worth |
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Talen Morgan
Amused
Join date: 2 Apr 2004
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10-19-2004 16:42
What gets me is all this drahma over a technology that sucks at best anyway.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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10-19-2004 16:51
What gets me is all this drahma over a technology that sucks at best anyway. I must admit, for all this talk of a television industry, this is hardly television. I have been waiting for these TVs to profoundly change SL communication, and basically, I've only seen them show porn, and only badly looped porn at that. What is all this back and forth really about? _____________________
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
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10-19-2004 17:01
What is all this back and forth really about? My guess: money _____________________
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Briana Dawson
Attach to Mouth
Join date: 23 Sep 2003
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10-19-2004 17:37
I must admit, for all this talk of a television industry, this is hardly television. I have been waiting for these TVs to profoundly change SL communication, and basically, I've only seen them show porn, and only badly looped porn at that. What is all this back and forth really about? You are very right Cris. The real issue was not the ability to loop it (something Angel has preferred to be kept private until now), but Alondria's code for the TV unit itself. Although considered simple by some, the fact is that it is something that both Alondria and Angel have kept secret because it was the basis for the business. Only now that Alondria wants to end the business relationship with Angel is the code made public and by the person that did not write the code and for obviosuly selfish reasons. If Alondria had stayed partners with Angel, this wouldnt have happened. So actually, all this hub-bub is about immaturity, one persons inability to deal with things in a mature professional manner: Angel's inability to accept that Alondria no longer wants him/her as a business partner. Kinda like a President from Microsoft deciding to release the source code to Windows because Bill Gates fired them. So in a nut-shell, just another public expression of anger and hate by the ever-loving Angel Leviathan. Briana Dawson _____________________
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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10-19-2004 17:44
Briana,
Actually all of that I knew, I should have asked the question differently. Why all this strife over a relatively simple technology that really has not made that big of an impression in SL as a whole? I know Angel made good money off of it, as well as Alondria - but the question is - where is the "television industry" in SL. It seems be to in a very nascent, if not stagnant stage. I remember Darwin making a big splash with his TV, and I still never ever understood the point of it then, and I guess I am missing the obvious point of it now (not the point of why you are upset, just about the tv in general). _____________________
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Carnildo Greenacre
Flight Engineer
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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10-19-2004 22:55
But to expect LL to be the judge and abitrator of every copyright dispute is absurd. I'd much rather that they spend their time and resources on what matters to all of us, which is improving the SL technology and experience for all. We should be glad that LL has provided mechanisms for creators to protect their IP, but we should not be asking LL to correct some perceived grievance when a creator decides, for whatever reason, not to avail themselves of this feature. If there was a DMCA takedown notice involved, then it is LL's legal duty to remove all copies of the script from their website. _____________________
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Zax Zadoq
You can't see this title.
Join date: 24 Sep 2004
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10-20-2004 00:16
Uh, Angel? I've looked at Alondria's code that you're sharing. It's relatively basic and uninspiring. Nothing special, and something I could easily crank out in thirty minutes or so. Yes, it's got nice controls built in, but it's not the holy grail of scripting. I have to agree with you here. I mean, to do this sort of thing is really no different than all of the scripts everywhere that draw fonts out of a single texture -- it's just set to a timer. Big deal. It would be _interesting_ if it could do something like decode a WindowsMedia stream. That would show real ingenuity and hacking abilities, seeing as how an amazing amount of basic building blocks aren't present to be able to do that "within the system" right now. TV blah... just give it a bunch of textures...  (No offense to whoever wrote the code -- I don't know them and I don't know what they do in their RL.) |
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Troy Vogel
Marginal Prof. of ZOMG!
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 478
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10-20-2004 14:53
I wish I had never read the forums, I was starting to kid myself that SL was anything different, now I see that it contains/harbors and develops the same lying,stealing, scamming, greed driven facets of the human soul that RL harbors.
It is sad, when at the treshold of so much possibility and potential all we can do with it is to create one big huge open air mall with objects no one needs, areas where you can die and kill others, beds and hottubs for having sex, and deserted furnitureless houses built with stolen textures from the web, and clubs with prostitutes.... I am not judging the residents of SL, I am judging the use of SL. Everyone is free to do as they please in RL and in SL (within reasonable bounds.) I just find the results thus far in SL very dissapointing. Troy |
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DoteDote Edison
Thinks Too Much
Join date: 6 Jun 2004
Posts: 790
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10-20-2004 18:02
If the code was provided with a clear and legally binding " C) Copyright" statement that retains the rights, then there are remedies. Copyright infringement is not taken lightly by any court in the US.Actually, the ©2004 (symbol) or wording "Copyright 2004" is no longer required to indicate copyright. From the US Government's copyright.gov website: When is my work protected? Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. What is a copyright notice? How do I put a copyright notice on my work? A copyright notice is an identifier placed on copies of the work to inform the world of copyright ownership that generally consists of the symbol or word “copyright (or copr.),” the name of the copyright owner, and the year of first publication, e.g., ©2003 John Doe. While use of a copyright notice was once required as a condition of copyright protection, it is now optional. Use of the notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with, the Copyright Office. What is copyright infringement? As a general matter, copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner. |
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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unless I missed something...
10-20-2004 18:17
Person A says: Here is a script for you to use, enjoy!
Person B says: That script is copyright by C, and this is an actionable copyright infringement. Person C says: *nothing* Person A says: no it does not belong to C, it is mine Tempest in a teacup it seems to me. Failing a copyright notice or claim by person C that it belongs to C, this is not a copyright issue at all; just some people sniping at each other hidden behind a unestablished copyright for a pretty junky piece of code. I could similarly claim that all the textures employed by B are copyright works by me with the attribution removed. I should think that something a little more compelling than my hypothetical assertion would be needed to get people so huffy. [Edit] Retracted due to ignorance as noted two posts below. |
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Alondria LeFay
Registered User
Join date: 2 May 2003
Posts: 725
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10-20-2004 20:09
Malachi Petunia,
I actually did repeatively on all posts containing my code state that the code was copyrighted by myself and requested that the infringing posts be removed. And yes, I agree, it is a pretty junky piece of code and even has blarring errors, but it is nearly a year and a half old code written when I was new. But I none-the-less, for reasons I would rather not discuss in a public forum, choose to enforce my rights as the legal copyright holder (and I never relinguishing any of those rights, besides allowing person A the personal use of the code, and explicited banned them from distributing it). Person B is just showing support for Person C, and Person C is appreciative of such support.  |
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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10-20-2004 21:39
My apologies Alondria. I did not know that. Thanks for educating me. In that case I retract my above post.
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