Disturbing Sign

Here is another example of community lynch mobs, er, community groups policing their sims. I was exploring today and met some new people. Some of them expressed dismay over a new club that recently opened in their community. After talking with them I decided to drop in and at least see the club in question.

The door was blocked so I could not get in, when I clicked on the blockage, I was given this note addressed to the club owner...



I can understand them being disappointed, but this is disgraceful reply to the problem. I would be ashamed to be in this group that uses these tactics to strong arm "ugly or unwanted" builds.

Sigh, I miss the old days when threads deteriorated into simple flame wars. NOW they deteriorate into govermental posts.

I completely agree, Loki. There is no excuse for that behavior, and I sincerely hope these people get reported for abuse.

Very good point. If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. People who feel the need to belittle others in order to justify their own views or opinions are disgusting.

Aww come on! It's just a grass roots campaign. They have no choice because we don't have player run dispute mediation.

/me giggles

And i get Banned for 3 days for cursing in a Pg sim? amazing

I can understand dissapointment -- BUT -- if they wanted to control who and what happened there - they should have bought the fecking land.

As it stands -- these guys are griefing asshats.. it doesn't matter WHAT someone builds on their land, so long as it holds to the TOS, they have absolutely no right to dictate what someone else builds there. Same with Mr Ugly Sign.. don't like the build? Stiff Cheddar - it's not your land so sod off.

I couldn't give a flying f*ck at a rolling doughnut what the circumstances are - those 'strongarm' tactics are utter BS, and based on recent events - I'd suggest the club owner report the creator. Sounds like 'offensive and threatening language' to me.

Believe me, I've had everything from lopsided cabins to nuclear waste dumps built next to me - it's their land, and their right to express themselves. I certainly didn't shed a tear when some of those builds moved on -- but the right for me to build what I like on my land is absolutely no different from someone elses right to build what they like.

And as people like Kharmon will testify, when he moved to Taber he approached me about what he wanted to build - to which my answer was (along the lines of -- memory fades the exact quote) 'Build whatever you like! It's your land! It's all good!.

Siggy

Hey, *I* do it all the time.

The building in question is mine. The sign was from my neighbor. He is/was an ass. The lindens or someone removed it as I was out of the country at the time and unable to reliably connect to SL. He's banned me from his property, I banned him from mine. No big deal.

Frankly, I built the building as an experiment. All of the buildings I see are really almost the same in design. I thought I'd crank out something different. Sure, its ugly but I MADE IT THAT WAY. Its well seamed, no obvious build faults, the windows are on both the outside AND the inside, and hell, the air vents on top even move!

I really didn't care that he thought my building was "f*ing" ugly. His building is one of those generic, easy build, boring looking clubs and I really really doubt he actually built it but rather got it out of a box. Mine was made entirely from scratch.

Now if I could only get all of these people to come and STAND ON MY LAND SO MY DWELL WOULD INCREASE...



Funny thing is that he raised his club so as to see over the top of my building. The land ban is only 15m in height and his building is at 20m. Guess I could go hang out at his club if I really wanted to. Not that I want him to get any dwell off of me.

Well put, Beryl.

Be not a picayune grammar wonk, lest ye be judged for sentence fragments...everyone.

This is one of the craziest things I've seen posted yet. Everyone starts somewhere. How would you feel if you were working at something, practicing, improving more and more with time, and someone came and put something like this on your build? It's inconsiderate and stupid really. Are you serious? *goes off to check Ulrika's ingame profile for neg ratings*

Oh well... I don't see a need to "address the problem of ugly builds," because I personally don't see why the appeal of someone's build on their OWN land is the bussiness of anyone else's really. Who are we to decide someone's build is problematic due to how pretty we think it is/isn't?

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians around this place really.

You shouldn't attack people rather you should address the issue. I understand that anonymity allows you to say things that you would never say to someone in person (things like "craziest" and "stupid" but that doesn't mean you should do it.

Further, I find that most posts in the forum are negative. Filled with disagreement and name calling. I challenge you to not personally attack people and to post something positive in the forum in the future.

~Ulrika~

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I find that saying something is crazy to say isn't exactly the same as calling someone crazy. Maybe someone shouldn't take what they know is such a controversial stand on something if they're so sensitive about the replies they receive.

Hey, just consider it bad post control. This is my "sign" on the side of your "build."

Oh, and "it's inconsiderate and stupid" is in reference to putting that kind of sign on someone's build. That particular stupid wasn't a descriptive for you, Ulrika. I noticed lots of intellectual mumbo jumbo in your profile when I did look it up. I figured you'd be pretty good with reading comprehension. You seem pretty bright.

There are a few buildings that I think anyone will agree are graceless ugly lumps, but we really have to give the builders the benefit of a doubt. Ugliness may be what they are going for or they may just be new or unskilled builders. They may also not have finished building or maybe ran out of prims. When I was new in SL I got a lot of tips from older players, Viola Bach really comes to mind as being very helpful with good tips for a lot of us way back when.

Ya your neighbour is an asshat lol ..i am really sorry that sign was placed on your land, and when i saw it i notified you immediately and a linden as well.. i thought your build was pretty neat i really liked the texturing of it

If you don't want to have to tolerate other people's tastes, buy your own sim. I'm sure some people don't like crowded, texture-heavy mountain cities. One person's "grass roots campaign" is another person's "libel suit", apparently.

A chacun son gout.

Ulrika Zugzwang has every right to use the current ratings system exactly as she sees fit. On that note however, this kind of rating use is exactly why I ignore ratings completely.

-aimee

I personally had a large issue with this situation because it is far from the first time it has occurred in SL, so I wanted to see what LL and the head honcho thought of it.

I sent them an email describing the situation and asked them what their policy was. According to the TOS, this appeared like a violation to me, so I wanted to be sure what the big dogs said =D Here is the exact policy from LL:

"We see this from time to time, and it is a reportable and actionable
offense.* Generally speaking, a prim overhanging or left on another
Residents property is not considered abuse, but anytime the action is
taking with the intent to harass (as would be the case in blocking an
entrance) we treat it as abuse."

Hopefully Robin won't mind me posting that heh Regardless if you have a problem, you must report that person for abuse and that's where it ends. The debate of whose set of morals is the correct one is an unending one that I commend anyone to keep fighting heh. I love you all, but we're all too pigheaded and stubborn to agree. Let's get real lol