Disturbing Sign

I had to get this off my Chest...

Well this weekend i was enjoying a lovely fly in my Helicopter around the new sims when i came upon some people setting up there home/club, so i decided to land at take a look around i came upon a build that i found very nice but what disturbed me was what the people who lived in back of this build put on this building.. i was shocked to see what stupidity has come into Second life.. so i informed the person who owned the build of this sign that was on the side of his building, and i also gave the person who placed it there a peice of my mind as well what's happend to Respect in this place

Good for you Aces!!! Unbelievable the disrespect that people show. I wonder how many other signs this person has posted. Eeek I better go check out my house, haven't been there in a few days lol.

I'll keep an eye out for these signs as well and inform the owners. Thank you for bringing this to our attention!

Huggerz,
MJ

I consider this a grassroots effort to address the problem of ugly builds. Because there are no formalized avenues to address grievances concerning ugly builds, users must employ methods such as the one you described to express their dislike of ugly builds. It is perfectly acceptable and protected as free expression.

Personally, I negatively rate people with a message such as "you build is hideous". If someone responds to me, I typically explain my position and then remove the negative rating as a courtesy. The point is to apply social pressure to improve the quality of builds.

~Ulrika~

Who makes anyone judge and jury on what a ugly build is. Maybe a build you think is ugly, I may like or visa versa! To condone this type of behavior is sickening and to think you want to govern SL..pfft.

The sign was not a pleasant sign it is not protected as a form of free expression as I feel that it is a form of "harassment" which is against TOS.

MJ

Ulrika there was nothing wrong with this build, it was beautiful.. i feel it was because the build was in front of this new club that was being built and the club owners where trying to drive this person away This kind of sign is Harrasment look at it anyway you like

I just flew over there and the build looks really cool. An old-style kind of warehouse charm.

On the otherhand, the person who insulted that build isn't such a good builder. That big ass club is ... umm ... ugly ... and laggy.

Please read the post... this had nothing to do with the build, only an obnoxious sign. I never would assume to neg someones build based on my own opinion, should someone be belittled with a neg rating because they dont meet my standards? Absolutely not. I wouldnt give a pos rating is all. I feel I have no idea what the builders experience is and would never try to belittle them and perhaps loose a future building of great talent.

Define ugly build.

Would this not be a matter of opinion? And what would give you the right to "graffiti" on someone elses personal property?

So I should walk up to ugly people and spraypaint "This is an ugly mofo right here!" all over thier face?

Someone may intentionally make thier build "different" and others would say it's ugly, while someone else may see something else in it and think it's brilliant.

Surely something as opinionated as a relaetive term like ugly could be expressed to the builder in otherways then defacing thier property.

This is absolutely repulsive, immature, sad and unfortunate indeed.

That's a great point Aces! I'll try not to hijack this thread and mention the g-word but if there were formal methods of conflict resolution in place one could address this problem. If the home owner did in fact have a beautiful build they could file suit against the club owner for vandalism. If the build is legitimately ugly a covenant could be negotiated to improve the quality of the build. More likely there exists a compromise somewhere between.

Now that I got in my g-word plug, let me say that I really dislike clubs. I had someone drop one right in front of my magnificent mountain view on the very edge our border. If they are the ones who put up the sign, it's clearly harassment. I'd sic the Lindens on 'em.

~Ulrika~

people have different skill levels.

if i rated you all based on what i consider skillful, there would be 20 people with + ratings and 15000 with negative ratings. i would go broke negrating all of you!

this is people's leisure time, not thier profession. geez.

Way to encourage people to stay in SL! Just because someone doesn't have your design sensibility and skills does not give you the right to dump on them. Well, you have the right, but it is extremely rude and not perfectly acceptable. You have given a lot to this community and I appreciate it, but your method of dealing with your idea of ugly builds is just wrong. These people spend money to be here, just like you do, and deserve the same courtesy. Speak to them if you must, but "applying social pressure" is very disheartening to these people.

Very few of us joined with perfect building skills right off. Give people a chance to abuse some prims for a while before you go for their throats.

and what Jauani said!

Jauani, that's what the ratings system is there for. There's even one for building skills.

It's not just for doing the triple-positive hey-you're-at-the-same-event-as-I-am rating.

~Ulrika~

Where is this building located? I have a building that looks an awful like that right next to me, and if a club is being built in my sim I want to know!

Ryen,

The sign says by Coniston Sim Residents, so maybe its in Coniston?

That build is right next to that club, named Penthouse. The club has Penthouse magazine covers plastered everywhere. Seems like some copyright issues could be brought up and cause a rename of the place. The ugly build sign is probably a response to that build having its own sign putting down clubs in Conistan. But, I dont know which sign came first.

I dont live in Coniston, but it is discouraging to see a big club go in up in the wilderness. The neighbors to the club all have fairly gentle build that you would expect to find out in the sticks, I can understand their objection to this big club that looks out of place there, no effort for rustic ambiance at all.

Ryen, there is a identical building next to your cyberpunk apartment, this one is on the far north side of Hidden Lakes.

Counsel would like to submit a motion that her honor recuse herself of this case due to clear bias, most probably pre-existing.

This is exactly what a lot of us fear with respect to the *G-Word*. That not only do certain members of the community yearn to dole out judgements with reference to the CS and ToS, but that in fact said members of the community would like to enhance those powers beyond their current scope.

That sign should be reported if it already hasn't. It is a personal attack on the owner(s) of that build containing profanity and placed upon property not owned by the owner/creator of that sign without permission. If there is any action that needs to be arbitrated here, it is the placement of that sign and most definately not that build which as far as I can see by going and taking a look at it, isn't in the least bit offensive. People have the right to build whatever they see fit to on their land so long as said build does not violate the ToS or CS. This building CLEARLY does not, but that sign just may.

You're not doing your case for player conflict moderation any good with this type of logic.

That sign is the pinnacle of lameness. To me the most beautiful builds in all of SL are the ones built by people who have poor skills but tried their best and are proud of what they made, even if everyone else thinks it's ugly. We all have our tastes of what we think is beautiful and what's an eyesore... and unless we're handing out a positive rating we should all keep those opinions to ourselves. SL is about collaboration, and that means handing out encouragement and pats on the back for effort as much as for skill. Not everyone has the skills. If I had seen that sign I would offer some words of encouragement to the builder, and neg rate the sign maker with great pleasure. We don't need tactless insensitive asshats like that in SL.

Sorry, I'm late on this.. but:

Yes, Ulrika, there is: Neg. Rate

That should get your point across. Include a message (as you stated you do) if it suits your desires.

Chip is right! Positive encouragement goes a long way. I agree that some of the most special builds are the ones labored over by someone new. Most work really hard on making something that makes them really proud of themselves. Swooping in and telling them their build sucks hits really hard for many, more than most may realize.

I've seen some early builds by people who are now regarded as masterbuilders on SL, and IMHO, they look like crap. (I'm in no position to judge, by the way -- just saying that as my gut reaction with a touch of humor.)

Trees grow. You know what? So do people.

We all have our fingerpaintings and boo-boos from when we were babies. But hopefully we continue to grow, and celebrate the goodness in one another.

Stagnation be damned.

I agree completely!

Not to highjack the thread, but I think clubs are getting a problem. I moved a cpl of times to get away from them, just to have a home in a nice and quiet area, but it is to no avail. As soon as a potential club owner spots a quiet sim (residential by nature) they buy some land, plunk down a building consisting of as less prims as possible (and hence often not really nice cause they are only concerned with the interior), and start clubbing away. In the proces grinding down the sim and making live near impossible for the other residents.

I think it would be a good idea to designate sims for residential purposes only, so ppl who only want to have a home and build won't be bothered by the resource hogging events of clubs and the likes.

PS: I do not know about this specific building cause I haven't seen it yet.

Now right there is the best argument I've seen AGAINST a formal method of conflict resolution! Yah, let's have a way to formally tell the poor f*ckers their building skills or taste in buildings sucks!

It is their land to do with what they want. And no one has a right to tell them what they can or cant do on it.

Just like these forums, everything is merely an opinion. You cannot state for a fact that someones work is ugly - you can only offer an opinion that it is. And frankly, there are about a handful of people in SL that I respect enough that I wouldn't tell to shove their opinions up their asses.

I tell you for nothing, if someone dared to try and tell me what I could or couldnt do with my land, or tried to protest against something I built, I would become the pettiest mofo you could imagine - I would go out of my way to build something as hideous as I could conceive. Just to show the moaning mofos what ugly really is.

F*ck anyone who doesnt like what you do. They can f*cking well move if you're that offensive to their poor widdle eyes.

And the day we have a formal method to play the heavy hand and gang up against our neighbors will be a very sad day for Second Life.

MrsJ;

You beat me to that obvious connection.

Cat